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Original Cars and Details / Re: JohnZ's '69 Z/28
« on: July 17, 2016, 02:33:45 PM »John as a Canadian-delivered car, does it by any chance have a block heater?
Nope - it doesn't show up on the Canada documentation.
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Nope - it doesn't show up on the Canada documentation.
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Original Cars and Details / Re: JohnZ's '69 Z/28
« on: July 17, 2016, 12:35:54 AM »
It's an 02D car, built February 27, 1969, on my birthday, and shipped from Norwood on February 28th to Howard Elliott Motors in Brampton, Ontario per the car's Canadian Documentation. As an X33 car, it included the Z21 quarter panel louvers and the "Camaro" name on the fenders, both of which were removed by the original owner when the car was new, the attaching holes were brazed shut, and the emblem areas were spot-repaired.
The car was garaged all its life, and actually spent fifteen years (from 1978 to 1993) in the original owner's walk-out lower level rec room, parked next to the pool table; he sold it to the second owner in 1994. I bought it from the second owner with 32,000 miles on it in 2000, and it currently shows 35,069.
The exterior is untouched (including all the original glass and moldings), the original Deluxe Interior is untouched (including the original GM color-matched rubber floor mats); the tires, battery, and exhaust system have been replaced. Everything works, including the rear window defogger.
The underhood area has only been cleaned up cosmetically - it retains the green "T" and some other inspection markings on the driver's side, and the original Canadian Oil Change Recommendation sticker on the RH side inner fender.
The original block (and one cylinder head) went out in a blaze of glory in 1970, and was replaced with a 5/50 warranty "CE" 3970010 block and one 1970-dated 186 cylinder head; all the other bolt-on components and accessories are original.
(Edit: Fixed typo on floor mats).
The car was garaged all its life, and actually spent fifteen years (from 1978 to 1993) in the original owner's walk-out lower level rec room, parked next to the pool table; he sold it to the second owner in 1994. I bought it from the second owner with 32,000 miles on it in 2000, and it currently shows 35,069.
The exterior is untouched (including all the original glass and moldings), the original Deluxe Interior is untouched (including the original GM color-matched rubber floor mats); the tires, battery, and exhaust system have been replaced. Everything works, including the rear window defogger.
The underhood area has only been cleaned up cosmetically - it retains the green "T" and some other inspection markings on the driver's side, and the original Canadian Oil Change Recommendation sticker on the RH side inner fender.
The original block (and one cylinder head) went out in a blaze of glory in 1970, and was replaced with a 5/50 warranty "CE" 3970010 block and one 1970-dated 186 cylinder head; all the other bolt-on components and accessories are original.
(Edit: Fixed typo on floor mats).
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Original Cars and Details / JohnZ's '69 Z/28
« on: July 16, 2016, 02:12:10 PM »
I bought this car for the same reason many of you bought yours - I had one just like it in 1969 (except that one was Hugger Orange), and I just had to have it again.
After looking at five or six '69 Z's over a two-year period (most of which were either fakes or poorly-done restorations), I found this original Fathom Green one at the Chevrolet corporate display "on the triangle" at the 2000 Woodward Cruise. It was selected in advance by Chevrolet, who paid the (Canadian) owner's expenses to bring it to the U.S. and display it for three days.
It became obvious after an hour or so what I had stumbled across, and the (second) owner and I made a deal and I bought the car; he returned to Brampton (Toronto area) after the Cruise and delivered the car to my Michigan home the following weekend.
After all my years of Corvette body-off restorations and from-scratch builds of street rods, Cobras, and a tube-frame Corvette Grand Sport replica, the most difficult part of owning this car has been the discipline required to leave it alone and enjoy it as it was built originally.
I will be adding more information and photos as this thread progresses.
Body = all-original metal, no panel replacements or rust (dealer undercoated when new).
Paint = 80% original
Trim/Interior = all-original Deluxe Interior
This is a VERY highly-optioned Z/28, especially for a Canadian car - it has every option you could get on a Z/28 except the tilt wheel.
After looking at five or six '69 Z's over a two-year period (most of which were either fakes or poorly-done restorations), I found this original Fathom Green one at the Chevrolet corporate display "on the triangle" at the 2000 Woodward Cruise. It was selected in advance by Chevrolet, who paid the (Canadian) owner's expenses to bring it to the U.S. and display it for three days.
It became obvious after an hour or so what I had stumbled across, and the (second) owner and I made a deal and I bought the car; he returned to Brampton (Toronto area) after the Cruise and delivered the car to my Michigan home the following weekend.
After all my years of Corvette body-off restorations and from-scratch builds of street rods, Cobras, and a tube-frame Corvette Grand Sport replica, the most difficult part of owning this car has been the discipline required to leave it alone and enjoy it as it was built originally.
I will be adding more information and photos as this thread progresses.
Body = all-original metal, no panel replacements or rust (dealer undercoated when new).
Paint = 80% original
Trim/Interior = all-original Deluxe Interior
This is a VERY highly-optioned Z/28, especially for a Canadian car - it has every option you could get on a Z/28 except the tilt wheel.
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Original Cars and Details / Re: Roy's new 68 SS350
« on: July 16, 2016, 01:05:37 PM »
Terrific find, Roy - looks like a marvelous original car!
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Originality / Re: rear wheel well under coating 1969
« on: July 01, 2016, 12:11:22 AM »
The rear wheel well undercoating was applied by FISHER BODY, before the body shell was shipped to Chevrolet, where the Chevrolet exhaust and suspension attaching parts were later installed.
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General Discussion / Re: 396/375 holley 4053 jetting
« on: June 30, 2016, 10:40:51 PM »
72/76 jetting works GREAT on my '69 Z/28.
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Originality / Re: Steering Column Paint Question
« on: May 23, 2016, 04:46:14 PM »
Saginaw Steering Gear painted the column parts black primer before assembling them and shipping the completed column assembly to the car plants (they had no way of knowing what interior color the car would have that the column would end up in). At the car assembly plant, the column was painted the specified interior color in a low-temp paint system (along with the ashtray and glove box door).
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Decoding/Numbers / Re: LOS TB (no P) inspection tag possibility?
« on: May 23, 2016, 04:11:20 PM »Thank you, John. I guess the next question is about paint inspection. Do you know if that was done separately first and if it passed then it went to 'B' & 'T' inspection -or- could that have been part of 'B' body.
Thanks,
Mike
Those (Fisher Body) buyoff inspections were all done in the same location, at the end of the Fisher Trim Shop, before the (firewall-back) body was shipped through the wall to Chevrolet. By the end of 1967, there was no more Fisher Body at Van Nuys - that's when GMAD (GM Assembly Division) took over the previously Fisher Body/Chevrolet operation.
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Maintenance / Re: Clutch Grind when shifting to "reverse"
« on: May 08, 2016, 05:30:07 PM »We adjusted the free-play out of clutch and it still tends to grind now and then.
What does that mean? It's an absolute requirement to have 1" to 1-1/4" of free play at the pedal pad when you adjust the clutch correctly. If you "adjusted the free play out" of the linkage, you set yourself up for premature throwout bearing and clutch failure.
LUK is the largest clutch manufacturer in the world, and supplies the majority of OEM automobile manufacturers worldwide with their clutches.
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Decoding/Numbers / Re: LOS TB (no P) inspection tag possibility?
« on: May 08, 2016, 03:05:36 PM »I understand LOS did not use the PBT ink stamps on the firewall, but could this have been how those inspections were done at LOS? Aside from the missing 'P' box, which maybe was due to how Fisher operated at LOS (vs. NOR) as per John Z, could the 'B' & 'T' stand for Body and Trim? It looks like the punch is 'SS', which I assume is the inspectors identification, though coincidentally enough the car is an SS. The 556 hand written numbers are the last 3 digits on the cars trim tag in the body number location and as listed on the UOIT. The 1 & 2 boxes could possibly be 1st and 2nd shift?
Anyways, just curious about if this is the way Fisher at LOS inspected their cars.
Mike
I'd say you deduced exactly how the system worked at LOS - nicely done!
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Maintenance / Re: Pitman Arm to Steering Box Spacing
« on: March 20, 2016, 08:48:14 PM »Good catch, James. I took a look at mine and it appears to be copper plated.
Mike
It was copper-flashed to protect the precision splines from corrosion or galling.
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Originality / Re: 1969 inside of doors under coating
« on: March 15, 2016, 02:53:11 PM »When was the under coating sprayed inside of the doors?after all paint or before?anyone?thanks John
In the Fisher Body stamping plant, before the outer skin and the inner panel were hemmed together.
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General Discussion / Re: And yet ANOTHER misinformed ebay buyer
« on: March 15, 2016, 02:40:00 PM »Some lucky guy just spent $60 for something he could have purchased from one of the MANY vendors for $15 (for TWO)!
Listed as a 3899716 DEFOGGER KNOB, you can see it's really nothing more than a beat up old 1967-1968 Camaro radio knob!
And by the way, when he gets it, he'll find it WON'T fit on the shaft of his defogger switch (trust me, I tried!!)
DO YOUR HOMEWORK PEOPLE.
Ed
Ed, he'd probably prefer to crow about the super-rare part he just "scored". :-(
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General Discussion / Re: Did some GM employees get their Camaro built better/special?
« on: March 15, 2016, 02:36:14 PM »
JohnZ would be the best person to give an answer though in my opinion.
Having spent 38 years in assembly plants and knowing how every element of the scheduling and production systems worked in the 60's, I treat 99% of these "stories" as "fairy tales". I know of more people who lost their jobs trying to fool the General than anyone who did it successfully. These "tales" make interesting reading, but you have to take them with a HUGE dose of salt; most of them are simply impossible.
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Originality / Re: Bucket seat stop cable?
« on: March 11, 2016, 07:40:02 PM »
My 02D Norwood '69Z has it on the passenger seat.