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1  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / 1st Gen Camaros certified as Legend Concours through 2012? on: July 05, 2012, 09:41:21 PM
How many 1st Gen Camaros have been certified as Legend Concours from the inception of Legends through the 2012 Camaro Nationals?  Has anybody published these numbers?

I think it would be great if each future Legend Concours certification plaque also had a serial number on it that showed it's unique sequence among past Legend Concours cars?  At least then people seeing the plaque could realize the rarity of this high-level, prestigious, judged event.   I kind of relate this idea to either the Supercar Registry (Yenko, Dana, Motion, etc.) or Jerry MacNeish's Z28 Registry.

On the other hand, even though it might not be a current problem, serializing Legend plaques could also prevent future fraudulent plaques claiming concours certification.
2  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original Battery Hold Down Clamp on: June 27, 2012, 09:44:24 AM
Previously, I posted a similar thread on this topic at http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=7977.0

Bernie
3  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: What is the assembly line correct 68 Rochester 4-bbl carburetor choke pull-off? on: June 13, 2012, 08:32:32 PM
Mike S,

They didn't tell me the fuel inlet nut was incorrect while I was present at the Nationals.  I found out a week or so later when my scoresheet was e-mailed to me.  If I knew at the Nats, I could have at least had the opportunity to show them documents to argue my point.  I'm guessing that the judges are swamped with other Legends cars to inspect and can't take time to discuss many issues, or they would never finish in time.  They have a lot of work to do in a rather short period of time.

Maybe there needs to be some sort of formal appeals process for deficiencies that are debatible between parties??

BTW, Ed's reply to this thread was also applicable to my recent post (today) on Delcotron stickers.

Bernie
4  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: What is the assembly line correct 68 Rochester 4-bbl carburetor choke pull-off? on: June 13, 2012, 07:44:47 PM
Thank you, Ed.  I wasn't going to commit before getting a nod from a Legends Judge first.

It would be good to know for the entire Camaro restoration hobby what holds more credibility for an "originality" argument, a person's memory (or the collective memories of multiple people) from 40+ years ago, or period-dated published documents and/or photos from the original manufacturer?  I know what holds up better in a court if law, but not what is acceptable by car show judges.  I at least presented evidence that would sway a legal opinion (if this were a court, but it's not) using the "preponderence of the evidence rule" (a >50 percent convincing argument).

I would hope car show judges would uphold the proverbial "tie goes to the runner" baseball concept when OEM documentation can be offered to support a car owner's claim.  Can the Legends Judges at least go public with an official statement one way or the other, so the entire hobby can benefit from certainty.  We don't have NCRS books like the Corvette guys do.

Bernie
5  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: What is the assembly line correct 68 Rochester 4-bbl carburetor choke pull-off? on: June 13, 2012, 06:09:49 PM
Oops! I guess I should have said JoeC's last comment.  My bust.
6  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Here is a GM photo of a Delcotron sticker on a 1968 Camaro alternator on: June 13, 2012, 06:08:08 PM
I found an official GM photo that shows that Delcotron alternators originally had stickers on them.  Maybe the sticker fell off soon after the car left the lot, so not many people remember them as originally being there.  Even virgin survivor cars may have had them fall off over the years. 

Anyway, attached is a photo of a reproduction Delcotron sticker and a photo of Figure 2c (black and white GM photo) on Page 6Y-8 of an original (not reprinted) "1968 Chevrolet, Chevelle, Camaro, Chevy II and Corvette Chassis Overhaul Manual" (dated 1967) showing that same sticker affixed to the top of the alternator, with the Delcotron text bottom pointing toward the pulley.

With the official GM documentation presented here, will the Legends Judges accept having this Delcotron sticker on an alternator at the 2012 Camaro Nationals?

Bernie

7  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: What is the assembly line correct 68 Rochester 4-bbl carburetor choke pull-off? on: June 13, 2012, 05:30:34 PM
Paul (1968RSZ28),

I found yet another official GM source (see attached) that confirms the fuel inlet nut on my 7028212 Rochester 4MV (4 barrell) carburetor as being correct...the photo of my carb was in my opening thread on May 15, 2012.  My fuel inlet nut is the same as the one in the attached GM document, the photo that Jeff68 posted in this thread on May 16, 2012, and the photo that you posted in this thread on May 22, 2012.  The attached GM documentation supports the other three GM documents that I posted in this thread on May 17, 2012.

-Exploded view of a Rochester Carburetor Model 4MV (327 & 350 cubic inch engines) Float Bowl, Figure 35R on Page 6M-20, from a "1968 Chevrolet, Chevelle, Camaro, Chevy II and Corvette Chassis Overhaul Manual. (dated 1967)"  Illustration #11.

In relation to your last comment about the fast idle cam (aka "kickdown lever"), the attached document shows it looking like the plastic version, not the metal one.

Bernie

8  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: RS headlight assembly shims on: June 05, 2012, 10:55:42 PM
Scoop,

I am probably the person you were referring to that got the points taken off at last year's Nationals for the wrong RS headlamp shims.  Well, I found the correct shim (see photo below) and showed it to a Legends Judge along with illustration #5 depicted on Page Z22/A7 of the 68 AIM.  It is not the same shim as those used for alignments.  The alignment shims are silver-colored and have a square-shaped tab.  The judge did say that the RS headlamp shim should be dark phosphate, just like the body shims.  Therefore, the plating in the photo below is incorrect.  I happen to have 8 phosphated shims for my car and 22 extra (unplated, raw steel) ones that I could sell for $10.00 each, plus S&H, if you or anyone else is interested.

Bernie
9  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Tie Rod ends and sleeves on: June 05, 2012, 10:31:13 AM
Yes, it's that AIM graphic that shows the outboard clamps with openings facing up (actually, it shows both inboard and outboard facing up, but the text "must be positioned as shown" only applies to the outboard clamps.
10  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Tie Rod ends and sleeves on: June 03, 2012, 05:44:49 PM
I think I recall either the 68 AIM or 68 chassis service manual stating it is for clearing a suspension part during turns...not sure, though, I'm not near my books. I also recall more text than what you quoted that discusses the position of other two clamps on the tie rods and the position of the sleeve opening.
11  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Tie Rod ends and sleeves on: June 03, 2012, 03:49:58 PM
Hans L,

I wanted to point out something I noticed in your photo of the installed tie rods.  I don't have my 68 AIM or 68 chassis service manual in front of me (I'm on the road traveling), and I realize that you have a 67 (requirements may be the same)...but, I believe that at least one of the tie rod sleeve clamps (inner or outer, not sure) on each side is supposed to have the open end facing up with 15 degrees of the vertical.  The other clamp on each side I believe has to have the open end aligned with the slit in the tie rod.  It's therefore possible to have both clamp open ends facing up (based on alignment needs), but at least one on each side needs to be facing up.
12  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: What is the assembly line correct 68 Rochester 4-bbl carburetor choke pull-off? on: May 21, 2012, 05:07:48 PM
Jeff68,

Your last post with pictures complicates things, now.  I'm not sure how to proceed with the fuel inlet nut issue.  My GM documentation (provided with my May 17th post to this thread) shows my nut and your replacement nut (your earlier picture on May 16th) as the original nut.  Yet, your latest picture of your original nut looks different than the pictures I have of what is supposedly an original nut.  Could there be two acceptable fuel inlet nuts from different vendors? 

Because we seem to be at an impasse, can JohnZ, Pacecarjeff, or any of the judges chime in?  Thanks.

Bernie
13  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: What is the assembly line correct 68 Rochester 4-bbl carburetor choke pull-off? on: May 17, 2012, 08:57:01 PM
My carburetor is a Rochester Quadrajet (Type 4MV), #7028212 DH, dated coded ": 0318" (January 31, 1968).
14  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Research Topics & Reports / Re: Research help needed, 68 front drum style, finned vs unfinned on: May 17, 2012, 06:31:06 PM
03C L48 NOR  disc / unfinned, power, AC
15  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Research Topics & Reports / Re: 1968 SS hood ornaments on: May 17, 2012, 06:26:07 PM
68 SS350, 03C stacks NOR
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