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Originality / Re: Correct specs for strap #4778650 on 69 Camaro spare tire jack column and wrench

« on: October 28, 2020, 05:39:11 PM »

KevinW,

Can you post a photo of the backside of that original strap?  The reproduction strap from AMK Products has a push-in plug on one side about 2/3 of the way from the pointed end.  The push-in plug might be why AMK Products deemed the strap as "(sim)" in their catalog.

- Bernie

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Originality / Embossing on underside of original 1969 coupe trunk mat without N65 (#8738793)

« on: October 28, 2020, 05:30:39 PM »

Attached, is a photo of the embossing on the passenger underside of an original 1969 Camaro coupe trunk mat without the RPO N65 space saver tire.  The embossing appears to be heat stamped into the rubber mat.  I provided measurements to document the exact location of the embossing on the underside of the mat.

The rubber thickness was measured in multiple locations with digital calipers at 0.053" (varies up to +0.004").  The thickness of the reproduction trunk mat in my 68 Camaro measured with digital calipers at 0.052" (varies + or -0.004").  It appears that the difference in thickness between original mats and this particular reproduction mat is imperceptible by touch.  Unfortunately, I do not recall where I purchased my reproduction mat.

Here's a list of the trunk mats for first generation Camaros under Group 15.222:
7663177, 1967 coupe, excluding N65 space saver tire
7728644, 1967 coupe, with N65 space saver tire
7689199, 1967 convertible, excluding N65 space saver tire
7728646, 1967 convertible, with N65 space saver tire

7779677, 1968 coupe, excluding N65 space saver tire
7779681, 1968 coupe, with N65 space saver tire
7779679, 1968 convertible, excluding N65 space saver tire
7779683, 1968 convertible, with N65 space saver tire

8738793, 1969 coupe, excluding N65 space saver tire
8738795, 1969 coupe, with N65 space saver tire
8738794, 1969 convertible, excluding N65 space saver tire
8738796, 1969 convertible, with N65 space saver tire

Hopefully, other CRG members with original trunk mats can post similar photos with measurements for other trunk mats. 

- Bernie

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Originality / Re: First-Generation Camaro Spare Tire and Wheel Assembly Instruction Sheets/Decals

« on: October 25, 2020, 06:59:09 PM »

Attached, is v2 of my MS Word table.  I added two rows at the bottom for 1969 coupes and convertibles with N66 SS wheels.

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Originality / Re: Early N66 SS rim car with original jacking instructions

« on: October 25, 2020, 06:42:14 PM »

There was a July 5, 2005 post in camaros.net by 'HawkX66' that might interest you: https://www.camaros.net/threads/ya-coded-n66-ss-style-wheels.469621/

In that post, it was said: "I'm going to have to read up a little closer on these wheels I think. This was posted by William over on CRG:
"RPO N66 "Sports Wheels for Camaro SS" were a short-lived option, dropped at the end of calendar year 1968. Chevy records indicate 314 cars were built with them. A few months ago Kurt located a window sticker from one of them, the first I've seen." 

By "Kurt," I wonder if they meant KurtS from camaros.org?  If so, maybe KurtS can post the photo of the original Instruction Sheet #3984091 for a 1969 coupe with N66 SS wheels?  Kurt, if you also have a photo of Instruction Sheet #3984092 for a 1969 convertible with N66 SS wheels, could you post that one as well?

- Bernie

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Originality / Re: Correct specs for strap #4778650 on 69 Camaro spare tire jack column and wrench

« on: October 25, 2020, 06:04:04 PM »

Sure.  A photo of both sides would be nice.  Your photos would be for anybody reading this post that may need to find original straps that would need to know what an original looks like.  Maybe AMK Products will use your photos to fine-tune the one they have...which is currently listed as "(sim)" after the GM part number in their catalog.  I'm guessing the AMK Products strap is very close, but not not 100% accurate?

-Bernie

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Originality / Re: Spark plug heat shields

« on: October 25, 2020, 02:54:41 AM »

The bracket and screw #274430 in the two-part spark heat shields (i.e, driver's side) were painted orange because they were already attached to the engine when it was painted orange...before reaching the assembly line.  The shield portion #3845717 and screw #447143 of the two-part shield were not painted because they were attached on the assembly line.  The welded one-part heat shield (i.e., passenger side) was also not painted because it was attached on the assembly line.

- Bernie

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Originality / First-Generation Camaro Spare Tire and Wheel Assembly Instruction Sheets/Decals

« on: October 24, 2020, 06:17:11 PM »

Attached, is a MS Word table that I started to track my collection of photos of original first generation Camaro spare tire and wheel assembly information sheet stickers and decals.  Feel free to change the table for any incorrect or missing information and then re-post. 

Anybody with photos of original stickers (to include the 1967 N65 decal), please upload to this post.  I'll take any photos of reproduction stickers/decals too, but please state whether your photo is of an original or reproduction sticker/decal.  If possible, please include the sticker/decal revision date if you can read it, but it's not clearly visible in the photo.

When I have most of the photos of original stickers (to include the 1967 N65 decal), and photos of reproduction stickers when originals are not available, I will be writing a CRG Report on First-Generation Camaro Spare Tire and Wheel Assemblies.

Thanks, in advance!

- Bernie

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Research Topics & Reports / Re: Does anybody have a list of broadcast/color codes for 67-69 wiring harness tags?

« on: October 24, 2020, 05:34:29 PM »

Attached, are three photos of wiring harness tags in case some of you stumbled upon one and did not know what it was.  The two-letter codes on some of them (not all tags had codes) are the broadcast codes.  The four digit number corresponds to the last four numbers of the part number.  The three downward spreading arrows symbol is a derivative of the Packard Electric logo (not all tags had the symbol).  Tags were also color-coded, but often the color(s) faded to the point that they were not recognizable.

Here is a breakdown of the three attached photos:
6295054 (VY) = 1968 Camaro, Generator and Forward Lamp, 8 cylinder, excluding Rally Sport, with warning lights.
6295115 (AA) = 1968 Camaro, Seat Separator Compartment, 8 cylinder, with floor console, manual transmission, console gauges.
6295052 (ZX) = 1968 Camaro, Engine Wiring (Ammeter to Starting Switch), 8 cylinder, small block, with warning lights.

These broadcast codes were listed on both the Body Broadcast Sheet and the Chassis Broadcast Sheets as follows:

Body Broadcast Sheet:
- Block 27 ("I/P HARN") = Instrument Panel
- Block 29 ("SEAT SEP. HARN.") = Seat Separator Harness
- Block 73 ("FWD LP. HARN.") = Forward Lamp Harness

Chassis Broadcast Sheet
- Block 228 ("ENGINE HARN.") = Engine Harness
- Block 252 ("FWD LP. HARN.") = Forward Lamp Harness

Photos of any wiring harness tags that you may have would be greatly appreciated.

- Bernie

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Originality / Correct specs for strap #4778650 on 69 Camaro spare tire jack column and wrench

« on: October 24, 2020, 02:03:48 PM »

I noticed that eBay lists a reproduction 69 Camaro spare tire jack column and wrench strap #4778650 as being of a "rubber sleeve type."  They are sold in pairs.  I have also seen these same rubber straps on eBay as being allegedly "NOS" with a GM box in the background, but no part number on the box label (see attached photo).  However, all of these straps are incorrect.  The strap is T-shaped, plastic, and 7-1/8" long...not a rubber sleeve.  Unfortunately, I do not have a photo of the original straps...but, I do have diagrams and parts catalog descriptions to support my claim.  Fortunately, AMK Products sells a reproduction #4778650 on page 167 of their 2020 catalog, under AMK part #B-10983.  See attached photo.

The 67 Camaro AIM lists this strap on the following pages:
- UPC C60/D3 (Air Conditioning-Hose Routing)
- UPC K30/A3 (Hoses & Wiring)

The 68 Camaro AIM lists this strap on the following pages:
- UPC C60/D4 (Air Conditioning - Hose Routing)
- UPC K30/A3 (Hoses & Wiring)

The 69 Camaro AIM lists this strap on the following pages:
- UPC 10/A2 (Spare Tire & Jack Stowage) - (See attached photo)
- UPC Z22/B4 (Rally Sport-Windshield Washer Jar Mounting) - (See attached photo)
- UPC Z22/B5 (Rally Sport - Retractable Headlamp Hose Routing)

The strap is clearly depicted in these various AIM pages as being a T-shaped one, not a sleeve.

Here are the actual specifications for #4778650 (official sources follow in brackets):

Length: 7-1/8" [1, 2]
Material: plastic [3] 

Sources:
[1] Chevrolet Parts Catalogue No. 651 of December 1964, Group 11.558, page 364, under line "Strap, Electric Seat Adjuster Wiring Harness."
[2] Chevrolet Parts Catalogue No. 651 of December 1964, Group 13.090, page 454, under line "Strap, Wiring Harness on Shroud."
[3] Chevrolet Parts & Accessories Catalog No. P&A 94 of January 1965, Group 13.090, page 347, under both lines "1960 thru 1964 Elect. Seat" and "1965-4-6 Way Seat."

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Originality / Re: Does anybody know about this front convertible top bow "wedge"?

« on: October 23, 2020, 03:29:36 AM »

Thanks, for the great diagram and reference, Ed!  I just looked in a parts and accessories manual in Group 14.090 for the #7650041 center spacer and noticed that 67-69 Camaro convertibles also required TWO corner spacers #7644550.  Can you post a photo or diagram of a corner spacer too?

- Bernie

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Originality / Does anybody know about this front convertible top bow "wedge"?

« on: October 20, 2020, 05:41:32 PM »

I bought this used convertible top bow "wedge" from Larry Christiansen many years ago to put on my Legends Class 68 Camaro RS/SS convertible.  I never asked him about the part, just installed it per Larry's recommendation.  Fast forward to today.  I plan on having a draftsman draw a blueprint of it so one of the aftermarket parts places can reproduce it.  However, I never found out its part number, group number, or description from Larry.  I just sent him an e-mail inquiring as to its details.  In the meantime, I wanted to ask CRG members if they have any details about the part.  Two of the photos attached are of the part installed on original cars, the remaining two photos are of the cleaned part that I bought from Larry just before being installed on my car.  The part requires two forged (not commercial flat-head) tacks...they resemble miniature railroad spikes.

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Originality / Re: 67-69 console gauge oil hose grommet 3906193 should have a slit in it

« on: October 03, 2020, 01:26:05 PM »

Attached is the 67 AIM page.

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Originality / 67-69 console gauge oil hose grommet 3906193 should have a slit in it

« on: October 03, 2020, 01:25:25 PM »

I have seen several posts in the past on the console gauge oil hose grommet 3906193 that was installed in the firewall by the factory.  However, I have not seen anybody address whether the original grommet had a slit in it for the oil hose.  The reproduction grommet that is being sold today does not have a slit in it (see photo attached).  There are many CRG posts of members cutting the oil hose and then using new compression fittings in their restorations.  This is warranted for re-using original hose assemblies to prevent leakage at the compression fittings...but not for NOS or new reproduction hose assemblies.  I am guessing that everybody is cutting their hoses because neither compression fitting end fits through the reproduction grommet hole and they don't want to cut a slit into the reproduction grommet whereby ruining its "originality"?  I am going to make the argument that the original grommet did have a slit in it, about half way between its two embossed text (i.e., embossed text is about 180 degrees apart).  There is at least one CRG post that had a photo of what appears to be an original grommet with a slit in it (Camaro Research Group discussion forum "Did console gauge cars also have a low oil pressure switch?" Reply #29 on February 27, 2013, 21:40:52 by Member '67rs/ss396').

I attached copies of the 68 AIM and 69 AIM pages that show the grommet installation.  I could not attach the 67 AIM page because of a four attachment limit.  I'll attach the 67 AIM page on a reply to this post, if permitted.  All three of these AIM illustrations, however, show the grommet with a separate part number than the hose assembly.  The hose assembly is shown in the three AIMs with the compression fitting already attached on the engine compartment side.  The same holds true of the hose assembly compression fitting under the console oil gauge.  Because of the size of the compression fittings on both ends of the hose, and the size of the hole in the grommet, it would be physically impossible to put the hose through the grommet if the grommet did not already have a slit in it.  I doubt the assembly line workers had the time to cut the oil hose, push the hose through the grommet, and then install a new compression fitting sleeve on every car with console gauges...and that task is not shown anywhere in the three AIMs.

The solution is simple: Use a razor blade and put a slit in the reproduction grommet half way between the two embossed text.  If any of the vendors read this post, maybe they could begin selling the grommets already slit, or at least make a note in their sale advertisement that the grommet will need to be slit to fit the hose.

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Original Cars and Details / Re: 69 low mile Convertible details

« on: September 21, 2020, 02:07:41 AM »

firstgenaddict,

For some reason the photos that you posted on June 30, 2018 are not showing...just placeholders.  I can only see the photos you posted on December 31, 2018.  Do you still have those June 2018 photos?  If so, can you re-post them?  Thanks!

Bernie

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Original Cars and Details / Re: 69 low mile Convertible details

« on: September 07, 2020, 06:34:57 PM »

firstgenaddict,

Can you post some photos of your original convertible top boot such as foam padding, stitching, manufacturer's label, date code (if any), multiple angles of the clips (any manufacturer markings on the clips), etc.  Thanks!

- Bernie