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Research Topics & Reports / Re: What is the correct quarter panel arm rest ash tray insert?

« on: March 16, 2023, 11:29:37 AM »

David,

Can you clarify your post for 11E...1967 or 1968 convertible?

Bernie

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Originality / What are the factory correct 67-68 convertible sunshade vinyl piping clips?

« on: March 15, 2023, 10:45:03 PM »

I have a pair of original black Madrid grain vinyl sunshades (i.e., sun visors) on my 68 Camaro convertible.  Recently, I came into possession of another pair of original 68 (or 67?) convertible black sunshades that I was intending on restoring for another person's car.  What piqued my interest was the shape of the vinyl piping clips on the pair that I just acquired.  The sunshades on my car have the same shape chrome-plated steel clips on the vinyl piping both inboard (i.e., by the inside rear view mirror support) and outboard (i.e., by the sunshade support assembly).  All of the clips were magnetic and appear to be stainless steel, not chromed steel.  Some stainless steel is magnetic so it is not a defining method to rule it out.  The other pair needing to be restored have the same inboard vinyl piping clips as on my car; however, the other pair have rectangular vinyl piping clips on the outboard side.  Attached, are photos of the two different piping clips on the other sunshades needing restoration. 

The black convertible sunshades appear to be the same [see reference #1] in both 1967 and 1968 model years as part number 7666122 under Group 10.203.

I guess it's possible that there were two different manufacturers of the sunshades or the clips changed between 1967 and 1968 model years even though the part number remained the same?  Does anybody know definitively which vinyl piping clips are factory correct and are they stainless steel or chromed steel?

Bernie

References: [1] Chevrolet Parts & Accessories Catalog P&A 34 (1967, November 1), p. 574

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Research Topics & Reports / Re: What is the correct quarter panel arm rest ash tray insert?

« on: March 15, 2023, 08:40:18 PM »

Thank you, Ed.  Hopefully, a CRG member can shed a light on the differences between the 1968 (P/N 7740365) and 1969 (P/N 8761461) assemblies.

Bernie

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Research Topics & Reports / Correct 1968 quarter panel arm rest ash tray insert?

« on: March 15, 2023, 03:47:14 PM »

I've noticed two different types of quarter panel arm rest ash tray chrome inserts, one with the tab in the center and one with the tab at the end.  Attached, are photos of reproduction ones from NPD's online catalog for perspective.  The NPD catalog says the one with the tab in the center is for 1967 Camaros and the one with the tab at the end is for 1968-69 Camaros.  However, the Camaro Master Parts Catalogue No. 691A (November 1968, revised July 1969) lists three different rear quarter arm rest ash tray assemblies under Group 12.045 as follows:

1967: 7653741
1968: 7740365
1969: 8761461

I have two show-chromed restored 68 original ribbed ash tray lids but do not have the two original chrome inserts.  I'm looking for a pair of original inserts to get re-chromed and want to get the correct ones.  I test-fitted both reproduction types with the different tab locations in my original lids and both types fit.  Which insert type is factory correct?

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6-cylinder Camaros / Re: '69 coupe with a 6-cylinder and a torque Drive air-cooled trans

« on: March 11, 2023, 01:00:38 AM »

I know this discussion is a couple of years old.  Any chance you can post close up photos of the following:

- steering column sticker on top of column near firewall (may be orange like other ones).
- air cleaner sticker on side of the air cleaner base.
- glove box tire pressure sticker.
- emissions sticker on radiator support.

Thanks, Bernie

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Originality / Re: Special spare tire hold down bracket

« on: February 26, 2023, 09:01:04 PM »

Retainer, Jack Base (P/N 3929976, Group 8.820).

In 1968, the retainer was for all SS Camaro convertibles (including SS 350 engines), excluding those with space saver wheel spare tires.  Here are the relevant 68 AIM pages: L34/A2.5-10E; L35/A15; L48/A2-10E; and L78/A3-10E.

In 1969, the retainer was for any Camaro with either the RPO PW7 (i.e., Tires; F70x14, 2-ply white stripe, original equipment) or the RPO PW8 (i.e., Tires; F70x 14, 2-ply red stripe, original equipment) tire option, excluding those with space saver wheel spare tires.  Here are the relevant 69 AIM pages: L35-L34/A3-10E; L48/A2-10E; L78/A3-10E; and PW7-PW8/A1.

The new 67-68 Camaro Legends Judging manual includes a photo of the retainer on page 131.

Bernie

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Originality / Re: Info on 68 convertibles with U46 Vigilite/Lamp Monitoring System

« on: May 02, 2022, 08:12:48 PM »

David,

The in-line grommet at the top left corner of your photo in your Reply #8 appears to look like the one circled in red on the 68 AIM page that I attached earlier for the tail pan grommet.  Can you post close-up photos of that in-line grommet at different angles, plus post its measurements using a micrometer?  Thanks!

Bernie

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Originality / Re: Info on 68 convertibles with U46 Vigilite/Lamp Monitoring System

« on: May 02, 2022, 02:53:06 PM »

David,

Can you post up-close photos of the left and right fender housing rubber inserts without the clear plastic lenses in place?

Attached, is a copy of the 68 AIM for the convertible rear lamp monitoring harness.  I'm also trying to get an up-close photo and the dimensions of the tail pan grommet which is circled in red in the attached copy of the 68 AIM.  Can you post a photo and give all of the dimensions (using a micrometer), if you have this grommet?  Thanks!

Bernie

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Dating plastic rear window 69 Camaro

« on: April 22, 2022, 11:39:38 PM »

Just opened the box with the new Al Knoch plastic window that I bought a couple of years ago to check the date code.  It is "268."  I guess Al Knoch is dating its plastic windows with the "MYY" format.  I'm going to reorder another date-code window if they'll change the date code format to "29B8."

Bernie

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1967 Camaro L78 Decals/Tag Information Photos Needed

« on: April 17, 2022, 08:19:16 PM »

Jose,

I didn't see the date on the window sticker and the assembly date wasn't mentioned in your post.  Your trim tag on the driver's side firewall will help you with this.  There were at least two different jacking instruction versions for your 67 coupe, one with a screwdriver pictured and one without, depending on when your car was assembled by the factory:

- 3909124 (9-7-66): Screwdriver pictured.  Photo of an original attached.  I forgot where I got the photo from (most likely a CRG post), so my apologies for no photo credit.
- 3909124 (1-10-67): No screwdriver pictured.  See photo of an original in Reply #58 to http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=8891.msg62391#msg62391.
 
Good luck finding the correct Irwin screwdriver if your car required one...unobtainium!  For more info on the Irwin screwdriver (P/N 3855238), see http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=18873.0;all.

Bernie

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Dating plastic rear window 69 Camaro

« on: April 17, 2022, 07:24:28 PM »

Page 343 of "The 1967-1968 Camaro Reference Book: From "A" to "Z"..." (1994) from John R. Hooper has a breakdown of the date-coding scheme for convertible plastic windows: Day (1-31), Month (A = Jan through L = Dec), Year (67 = 1967, 68 = 1968, 69 = 1969). 

Based on Reply #3 by James (firstgenaddict), the plastic window on the 26k survivor vert was "1H9," not "1H69."  So, I would guess that Hooper's book should have only listed the last digit of the model year instead of the last two digits.  Hooper's book would therefore decode "1H9" as "1 August 1969."  The "3H7" code on the plastic window of Pacecar's 67 Pace Car vert would be "3 August 1967."

BTW, Al Knoch Interiors (https://alknochinteriors.com) sells date-coded convertible plastic windows...I ordered one from them for my 68 vert a couple of years ago; however, the last time I looked at the Al Knoch web site, date-coded plastic windows weren't advertised.  If I recall correctly, you have to phone in your order for a date-coded plastic window.  There was an upcharge to do the date-coding.

Bernie

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6-cylinder Camaros / Re: Survivor '69 Coupe with a 6-cylinder and a 3-speed manual

« on: April 16, 2022, 02:34:30 PM »

Can you post close up photos of the jacking instructions on the underside of the trunk lid?  Also, in your 1st post, you stated: "The air cleaner has some surface rust, but still has most of its original paint, as well as a nearly perfect "250 Turbo-thrift" sticker and its side sticker ("Keep your GM car all GM")."  Can you post a closeup photo of the sticker on the side of the air cleaner?  Thanks!

Bernie

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Originality / Re: Decals for 1969 Camaro 327

« on: April 06, 2022, 12:44:49 PM »

Unfortunately, some of the 1969 stickers were black and some were white.  In 1969, they transitioned over to the white, multicolor stickers and dropped the service instructions and filter type.  Until I see photos of originals, I could not with certainty say which color sticker is correct.  If you're not building a concours car, then go with the reproduction CI 6484578 sticker.

Bernie

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Originality / Re: Decals for 1969 Camaro 327

« on: April 06, 2022, 11:52:49 AM »

I saw “early … 68 build” and was thinking 68 model year.  I guess I should have looked at the subject line.

Here’s what I have for 1969 327 engines:

LF7:
- 327/210 HP V8 auto w/2BC: broadcast unconfirmed as CI*, 6484578.
- 327/210 HP V8 manual w/2BC: broadcast unconfirmed as CH*, 6484597.

*By the term “broadcast unconfirmed as ##,” I mean that I do not have photos of original stickers, or data from broadcast sheets (i.e., Block #65 on a Body Broadcast Copy, or Block #180 on a Chassis Broadcast Copy), only data from reproduction stickers.

Kurt, I have a photo of an original 1968 L48 350-295 HP V8 manual w/4BC (Turbo-Fire) air cleaner and it has a broadcast code of “CO“ (part number 6484223), not “DY.”  If you have any photos of original air cleaner stickers for 67, 68, and 69 for any engines, can you add them to this post or PM me?  I am putting together a table with all of the air cleaner stickers for 67-69 that I eventually want to give to CRG as a report.  Thanks!

Bernie

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Originality / Re: 1968 spark plug heat shields

« on: April 05, 2022, 09:40:41 PM »

Just to clarify, the shields on both sides are not painted, neither are the small screws holding the shields onto the two-piece brackets...just the two-piece brackets and their respective mounting bolts.

Bernie