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Originality / Re: Manual to Disc Upgrade... do I affect originality?
« on: July 23, 2010, 01:01:31 PM »
Well, I'm wanting to keep the car as it would have been in the showroom. Not necessarily as it rolled out of the factory. Meaning, if I do a restoration, and I change from manual drum, to power disc, and I use components that would come from a 67 camaro, as near as I can tell, it would be considered stock. I would be honest if I sell it, but honestly, I don't plan on getting rid of this baby. It was born 10C of 66, about 7 to 10 days before I was born. My fourth Camaro. I don't plan on getting rid of it...
But what I'm getting at is keeping it stock. I would like to add as much stuff to this car that I could have got as an option, but that WOULD NOT have been included on the Trim Tag. Since my car is such a low option car, I figured I'd be able to upgrade it with things that would not appear on anything other than a build sheet, etc.. but not on the cowl tag. I understand certain things required certain other things, like if I go with RPO J50, and J52, neither of which were put on the trim tag, I have to put ZJ7 Rally's on the car. Well, those would then be 14 x 5. That's the size on a 67 with disc. So, I would be in the hunt for date correct wheels with a DA code on them.
Is all this making sense? I want a stock/Original car, but I want it with as much stuff that wouldn't be identified on the Trim Tag... I won't make it an RS, because that's on the Trim Tag... but disc brakes aren't. (and i can't figure out why). What's funny is Power brakes were a dealer installed option,b ut discs weren't. I think that's funny.)
My car, as it sits now, is a base model, with a correct cast date engine (J086), block cast of 3892657, correct engine pad stamp (V1012ME), correct cast on the heads (don't have the numbers with me, but I've looked them up), correct date on 2 speed powerglide tranny (T7R09D), and a VIN of 7N118980 (which puts it in the Norwood plant in October of 1966).
Anyway, if I build the brakes to power, disc front, drum rear, would I no longer be able to call the car original or should the word be 'stock'. Would I be reducing the cars value?
I guess my philosophy is this, and I could be wrong, so please let me know how you feel, but if there's no way to tell what EVERY option was on the car from day one, and the car has options added to it (correct to factory specs), does it change the car? I mean, who's to say this car didn't have these options from the factory?
And i'm not trying to build a car that I can turn around as a high optioned car and make money, on the contrary... I bought this car because of it's build date, and it being numbers matching... but if I'm going to do brake work (which I have to, because it needs it), why not go with a factory installed system from 67 that is disc, not drum, that is power, not manual, allowing me to 'option correct' put rally wheels on it. etc, etc...
@MyRed67 - my car is Marina Blue with Blue Interior. The previous owners bought it from the guy who restored it, but I'm having a heck of a time trying to get info about that guy from them. They lived in Tenn, they bought it in Ohio, so I'm going to try and get with the DMV in Ohio, and see if I can back-track from there with the VIN number. I would like to find out as much about the car as possible, and get any pictures I can of it, especially if they are from 66 or 67. Anyway, the guy who did the restore put Z28 stripes on her, and cragar wheels, both of which will go when I restore it. It's got a Edelbrock performer intake, carb, air cleaner, and an Accel distributor, all of which I want to get rid of, and get my hands on the stock 2 bbl intake and Rochester carb. i want original valve covers (those are edelbrock right now also)... and I think the radiator is wrong. Looks to big... the shroud doesn't go all the way to the edge on the drivers side, and the fan sits about 6 inches behind the radiator, and the four blade fan comes about an inch away from the opening of the shroud. I was under the impression that the fan should sit closer to the radiator, and the blades come VERY close to the edge of the shroud. She over heats on a hot day if you are standing still... like at a drive thru or something...
But what I'm getting at is keeping it stock. I would like to add as much stuff to this car that I could have got as an option, but that WOULD NOT have been included on the Trim Tag. Since my car is such a low option car, I figured I'd be able to upgrade it with things that would not appear on anything other than a build sheet, etc.. but not on the cowl tag. I understand certain things required certain other things, like if I go with RPO J50, and J52, neither of which were put on the trim tag, I have to put ZJ7 Rally's on the car. Well, those would then be 14 x 5. That's the size on a 67 with disc. So, I would be in the hunt for date correct wheels with a DA code on them.
Is all this making sense? I want a stock/Original car, but I want it with as much stuff that wouldn't be identified on the Trim Tag... I won't make it an RS, because that's on the Trim Tag... but disc brakes aren't. (and i can't figure out why). What's funny is Power brakes were a dealer installed option,b ut discs weren't. I think that's funny.)
My car, as it sits now, is a base model, with a correct cast date engine (J086), block cast of 3892657, correct engine pad stamp (V1012ME), correct cast on the heads (don't have the numbers with me, but I've looked them up), correct date on 2 speed powerglide tranny (T7R09D), and a VIN of 7N118980 (which puts it in the Norwood plant in October of 1966).
Anyway, if I build the brakes to power, disc front, drum rear, would I no longer be able to call the car original or should the word be 'stock'. Would I be reducing the cars value?
I guess my philosophy is this, and I could be wrong, so please let me know how you feel, but if there's no way to tell what EVERY option was on the car from day one, and the car has options added to it (correct to factory specs), does it change the car? I mean, who's to say this car didn't have these options from the factory?
And i'm not trying to build a car that I can turn around as a high optioned car and make money, on the contrary... I bought this car because of it's build date, and it being numbers matching... but if I'm going to do brake work (which I have to, because it needs it), why not go with a factory installed system from 67 that is disc, not drum, that is power, not manual, allowing me to 'option correct' put rally wheels on it. etc, etc...
@MyRed67 - my car is Marina Blue with Blue Interior. The previous owners bought it from the guy who restored it, but I'm having a heck of a time trying to get info about that guy from them. They lived in Tenn, they bought it in Ohio, so I'm going to try and get with the DMV in Ohio, and see if I can back-track from there with the VIN number. I would like to find out as much about the car as possible, and get any pictures I can of it, especially if they are from 66 or 67. Anyway, the guy who did the restore put Z28 stripes on her, and cragar wheels, both of which will go when I restore it. It's got a Edelbrock performer intake, carb, air cleaner, and an Accel distributor, all of which I want to get rid of, and get my hands on the stock 2 bbl intake and Rochester carb. i want original valve covers (those are edelbrock right now also)... and I think the radiator is wrong. Looks to big... the shroud doesn't go all the way to the edge on the drivers side, and the fan sits about 6 inches behind the radiator, and the four blade fan comes about an inch away from the opening of the shroud. I was under the impression that the fan should sit closer to the radiator, and the blades come VERY close to the edge of the shroud. She over heats on a hot day if you are standing still... like at a drive thru or something...