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136  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Z28 valve cover hardware on: January 29, 2012, 08:43:47 AM
Got it.  No retainers.

Thanks guys for straightening me out on this!!!
137  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / 69 Z28 valve cover hardware on: January 28, 2012, 10:52:16 PM
For a 69 Z/28 built the 2nd week of January (don't know if that matters) what is the correct valve cover hardware?

I have done a lot of searches, but I am not sure if it is supposed to have retainers.

On the HBC website, they list a package for 69's with a 302 except aluminum covers: http://www.heartbeatcitycamaro.com/store/product/13856/Camaro-Valve-cover-retainers-%26-bolts-67-68-69/ and these have retainers.  All Z/28's have a 302 with aluminum covers so I am not sure what is correct.

138  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Dash Panel Mystery on: January 24, 2012, 12:53:23 PM
I worked in a Camaro business from 1983-1997. We did a weekly GMPD order as many parts were still available during that time. GMPD regularly substituted parts. Heres's a few I remember:

'68 Z/28 rocker covers - sent chromed '69s
2 piece rotors - sent later 1 piece
'69 Camaro 396 emblem - sent '70 Nova emblem
'68-'69 rear spring anchor - sent '70 Camaro version w/sway bar bracket
12 bolt axle cover - sent '70 version with notch for bracket

Certain parts were never serviced, particularly plastic interior parts in colors other than black. "Paint to match" I guess.

Late model stuff was worse. They would supply a generic fender; you would have to cut brackets off the original and weld them yourself.

Careful buying "NOS"...

Ah.  Now that is clear!  Thanks!!!  I had been giving myself a headache trying to figure this out.
139  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Dash Panel Mystery on: January 24, 2012, 10:41:06 AM
Not true. The Nova dash does not have the two square cluster mounting holes next to the ash tray opening.

William, THANKS for the clarification.  However, I still am confused about 8716458 which is supposed to be the correct panel.  I have seen 3 cases where 8716458 panels in the original box do not match what is originally on the car.

Is the over the counter panel just not 100% visually correct but functionally A-OK?  Was the over the counter panel supposed to be modified?



140  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Dash Panel Mystery on: January 21, 2012, 08:35:24 PM
I could not find anything on the net on 8716458 being used on Novas and Camaros.  Is there any documentation on this?

I found a posting on Yenko.net where a guy had the exact same problem about 8 years ago.  Weird.





141  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Dash Panel Mystery on: January 21, 2012, 03:05:55 PM
Wow!

Thanks COPO.

So both the 69 Camaro and the 70's Nova used the identical part number.  That is confusing!

Whoever ends up buying the EBay Nova one is going to be upset. 
142  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Dash Panel Mystery on: January 21, 2012, 01:04:53 PM
A few weeks ago I bought a sheet metal "PANEL, INSTRUMENT" part number: 8716458, group: 10.230

When it came in, it looked like a section was removed.  It did not match the original dash panel that was in the car.

It looked like this:


I became upset and returned the dash panel to the seller.

Now, I see another different NOS dash panel on EBay that looks identical to the one I returned

EBay Dash Panel

EBay auction: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Camaro-N-O-S-Dash-Panel-/320830957170?hash=item4ab303e672&item=320830957170&pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr


My original dash panel looks like this:



Did the over the counter dash panels have that section removed for some reason???


143  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1111488 distributor on: January 18, 2012, 10:39:48 PM
Looks legit to me.

Jerry M restored my original 1111480 recently and here is a pic before restoration.



The 8 on the part number and the 8 on the date also don't match.


144  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: GM Heritage Center Documentation on: January 10, 2012, 12:45:18 PM
Great pictures Steve! 

It would be great if what the pictures show could be matched against the GM instructions.  Is it possible that the gray primer in step 4 went on over black primer in step 2?



145  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: GM Heritage Center Documentation on: January 09, 2012, 01:26:37 PM
I wonder if color pictures exist showing the underside on either the NOR or LOS assembly lines.

In John's terrific write-up, he has these two pictures:

#1
   

#2
   

#3    GM has this picture which is similar to picture #1 - Van Nyes (LOS) assembly line for 67 Camaros
   

has anyone ever seen a color picture that is similar to picture #2 ?
146  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: GM Heritage Center Documentation on: January 08, 2012, 10:42:13 PM
So John, do you know what the color of the bottom of the Camaro should be and what was this color made of?  And what was the color of the primer that was sprayed by hand that overspryed under the car?  Was this color more pronounced on LOS cars vs. NOR cars because of the height on the lines?

Hopefully John can answer this and of course John would know much better than I would.

but going by the GM instructions, comments, and pictures of the cars posted, here is my conjecture:

step 2 - black primer and in vulnerable areas a black compound like Hammerite is applied by hand

step 4 - the entire body is painted in gray primer. Again, applied by hand.  Since in a NOR car the underbody is only 18" off the ground and not easily accessible, areas that recieved gray primer were inconsistent.  I have no idea about a LOS car but I would think they could easily end up with a lot more gray primer.

I started out believing that underbodies were supposed to be gray primer color and right now I believe they are mostly black with some sections that have gray primer.

147  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: GM Heritage Center Documentation on: January 08, 2012, 02:48:42 PM
I have connections and used to work at Fischer.  I would have to talk to my former boss and see if he would agree to some testing.  I don't think it would be a big deal for him though.

However, if JohnZ or anyone else knows what "another rust inhibiting compound" actually is, this might be resolved quickly.



148  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: GM Heritage Center Documentation on: January 08, 2012, 10:21:10 AM
At a place I used to work, we did material analysis with machines like this one:
http://www.helmut-fischer.de/independent/31/XAN_en.asp
And this one:
http://www.helmut-fischer.de/independent/31/XUV773_en.asp
If I had samples of each and I could get a few favors at Fischer, a comparison could be made between black samples from a couple cars and Hammerite.

….or…..maybe I am nuts and should just go 30% gloss black and call it a day.
149  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: GM Heritage Center Documentation on: January 08, 2012, 12:15:33 AM
Maybe it's "hammerite" which came out in 1962 ?
150  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: GM Heritage Center Documentation on: January 07, 2012, 10:27:06 PM
It's whatever GM put there Grin

HA!!!   Smiley

At first I thought that it's "Four corrosion resistant primers, specially formulated" and "hand sprayed".  But you don't see black all over the rest of the body.

However, when I read the rest of step 2 it states "Lower areas considered especially vulnerable are coated with another rust inhibiting compound."

So my best guess is that the black areas are "rust inhibiting compound".





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