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76  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: KICK PANEL... DOOR PANEL....REAR SIDE PANEL FITMENT on: November 19, 2013, 09:13:49 AM
I have no idea where.... or what the problem is.  I don't think the quarter panel position is an issue. At the pinchweld where the forward edge of the quarter panel connects to the inner structure, the quarter panel doesn't extend extend past the inner structure which is original. That being the case, I don't think the the side panel can be pushed forward of it's original position.

I was worried with the aligning of the quarter panel, door and fender that the door got moved too far forward. But the gap between the top of the door panel and the windlace on the rear side panel is only 1/8 inch.

Is the forward edge of the door panel and the edge of the kick panel supposed to have some overlap or should there be a gap between them?

Can anyone comment from my photos if the relationship between the door panel and the kick panel .....and between the door panel and and rear side panel looks correct is is something obviously wrong?
77  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / KICK PANEL... DOOR PANEL....REAR SIDE PANEL FITMENT on: November 18, 2013, 09:18:41 PM
I am test fitting my kick panel.... to door rear seat side panel fitment after having had new quarter panels, new door skins, new fenders, and new inner and outer rockers put on my car.........It is a '68 coupe with the deluxe interior.

I am having an interference problem with the lower half of my door panels and my kick panels binding when the doors are closed.

Maybe I should have done this before all the final panel fitting was done on the side of the body but the quarter panels, doors, and fenders have all been fitted to each other and there is no going back on that now. This is a probem I didn't see coming.

The interior hasn't been in this car since 1988 and I have no reference pictures of how all three interior panels fit together as far as gaps or clearences.

The rear side panels are back as far as they will go and the windlaces are pushed tight against the pinchwelds of the quarter panels. The door shells are original to the car and the door panels are located in all their original holes. There is an eighth inch clearance between the top of the door panels and the windlaces. The kick panels are original to the car. I don't have them screwed in but I can't push them back any further.

When I close the doors, the upper half of the door panels slide behind the kick panels but the lower half of the door panels binds against the kick panels, trying to push the kick panels forward. And since the kick panels can't go any further forward, they start to bow.

I am attaching some pictures of how all these panels fit togther. Hopefully somome can tell me what's right or wrong with the way these panels all fit together and a solution on how to improve or fix the binding problem.


78  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / '68 fender "Camaro" script emblem location ??? on: November 12, 2013, 12:11:03 PM
I am trying to figure out how to locate the "Camaro" script emblems on the new fenders of my '68.

I can locate them vertically with the dimensions from the AIM with no problem as it gives dimensions from body line peak. Horizontally, the AIM gives the dimensions from a reference line whick looks to be the front of the firewall and would be harder to do......I was hoping I could get a dimension from the rear edge of the fender measured at the body peak line.

I made templates from my orignal fenders but was suprised when I compared the templates side by side two.  The edge of the emblem itself (not the holes) to the rear edge of the fender at the body peak line differed from side to side by 1 1/8 inches. This may be correct but I would have thought that this dimension would have been about the same on each side. That the emblem itself on each side would be in the same place even though they are facing oppsite directions

I had access to two other original fenders (assembly line take-offs) to take measurements on and the emblem location on them was different from my originals. One of them by FOUR inches!

So I don't know what is right and what is wrong.

I was hoping someone with emblems they know are in the factory correct locations could measure on their car the dimensions I have circled in red in the photos of my templates.......or could provide any other dimensions I could use to get these emblems in the right spot.


79  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Spare tire hold down bracket location ??? on: November 12, 2013, 08:30:02 AM
Mike, thank you for the picture.

When I visit the body shop where my car is at later today, I will check to see if the dimples are there in the reproduction trunk floor.
80  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Spare tire hold down bracket location ??? on: November 11, 2013, 10:07:07 PM
69Z28-RS.......Thanks again for taking the time to take those pictures. I notice that your bracket is not in the same location as the one in the first picture I provided. That is not my car in that picture and I have no idea if that bracket is in the original location or not.

I wonder if someone could take the dimensions I am showing in this picture were dimension "A" is from the centerline of the bracket to the center of the curve where the trunk floor transitions from the flat part to the sloped part............and dimension "B" is from the centerline of the bracket to the center of the stamped ribs.

It would be interesting to see if the bracket is in the same place on most cars or if this is one of those "it's different on every car" situations.

Thanks......... Dave

81  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Spare tire hold down bracket location ??? on: November 11, 2013, 08:53:46 PM
Thank you for the photos.

My car is a '68 hardtop.....Sorry, I sould have included that.
82  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Spare tire hold down bracket location ??? on: November 11, 2013, 09:09:42 AM
Does anyone have any reference dimensions to properly locate the spare tire hold down bracket in the trunk?

83  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Re-coding an original door lock on: November 11, 2013, 08:54:02 AM
On my '68, the same key is used for the doors and the ignition and the other key fits the trunk and glove box.

You've got nothing to lose by calling a couple of locksmiths. I am not 100% sure but I think they can be recoded.

84  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / 68 standard grill to body gap problem. on: November 05, 2013, 08:07:36 AM
I am trying to find out how much of a gap, if any at all, should be between the outer edges (sides) of a 68 standard grille headlight bezel and the opening in the fender. I have about 3/16 of an inch on both sides. This seems like a lot to me. I know I have seen cars out there with almost no gap at all. I did not have gaps like this before the car was taken apart.

Every component of the nose of the car is GM except the fenders which are AMD.......The plastic grille center is an NOS GM piece. The lower valance is a GM assembly line take off. The header, the upper and lower grille moldings, and the headlight bezels are original pieces of the car.

This being the case, it seems the variable is the AMD fenders. I tried to compare the bezel opening on them to an orignal GM fender. They seem a hair bigger but not 3/16 bigger.

Is there any cure to close up these gaps or an I stuck with it?

85  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Heater core - rebuild or buy new ??? on: October 30, 2013, 09:20:17 PM
I know I have one leak. What concerns me is if they fix that leak, how do you know there is not a weak joint somewhere else ready to go in the near future after it installed?

I never knew too much about radiators and just watched a couple of videos on how they are constructed. Will a radiator shop re-solder all the joints, freshening them up and making them as strong as new again?

When they re-core a radiator, what do they actually replace? Are only the tanks re-used and everything else new?

86  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Heater core - rebuild or buy new ??? on: October 24, 2013, 10:04:38 PM
I just got started on my heater box today. Wow, what a mess inside. I already knew my heater core leaked. I bypassed it years ago.

Do people who repair their original cores, have them boiled out to make sure the is no crud inside?

I like the idea of fixing my original but I have to wonder, even if the leak is fixed, it's still 45 years olds, and will it spring a leak in a different place soon after it is installed?

The date code on my original is 68C. Is this March of '68? My build date is 03C. Are these dates too close together?


87  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Right Stuff Detailing spindle quality ??? on: October 22, 2013, 08:17:14 PM
My original 68 GM disc brake spindles are on the border as far as wear and I am thinking or replacing them just to be safe. Searching through parts catalogs, I am seeing a huge difference in prices.

 Right Stuff Detailing had the lowest price of $119 for a pair. They say they are 1045 forged steel and CNC machined. I don't know anything about steel grade numbers and would guess all brands are all CNC machined today. So that claim dosen't mean anything to me

 Then I have seen a high price of $275 for a pair. And then prices of $140, $200, and $220 for a pair. Some saying they are USA made.

 Usually, the parts catalogs are somewhat close on the price of the same item so I am wondering why such a spread on prices.

 Can anyone speak about the quality of The Right Stuff pieces? Are they USA made? Are they fairly close in appearance to an origianl GM? I have to wonder if the low price reflects the quality?

 I would go with Right Stuff if the quality is there.

88  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Heater core - rebuild or buy new ??? on: October 22, 2013, 10:33:48 AM
I haven't read up on this recently but when I did, people seemed to have problems with reproduction heater cores and recommended rebuilding an original one if possible.

I am wondering if this is still the same general opinion out there?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             Are there good reproduction heater cores out there? ....and if so, where are they available from?

If not, where does one take or send an original heater core to be rebuilt?

And what does it usually cost to do that?

89  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: ACC carpet texture ??? on: October 20, 2013, 09:02:07 AM
I want to update on how this turned out.

First off, when I looked back through my receipts, I was shocked to see it had been five years since I bought this carpet. Not a couple like I had stated. Time is flying faster than I thought. Irregardless, when I first opened it up, it looked just like it does now.

I wrote to ACC, sent the pictures I posted here and on TC, and also copied and pasted the comments made here and on TC about how people thought the carpet looked.

I wasn't really expecting them to do much. What I was really after was to find out if this was how they all their carpet looked and I if shouldn't expect any better...... or if it was, in fact, a defective carpet. At least then I could make a choice to buy another ACC or try a different company. We went  back and forth with a few e-mails and they finally said that they felt my carpet was a "valid" carpet set. After reading that, I thought, OK, that's that! So I replied and said this would be my last e-mail to them about it but asked if they could give an opinion as to why so many other Camaro enthusiasts who saw these pictures, thought the carpet looked bad.

I got a reply that didn't answer that question but they did offer to send me a new carpet it I sent then the old one back and if I would pay for the shipping on the new one. After five years had gone by, I thought that was fair enough. It cost $16 to ship the old one back and $13 to ship the new one.

My new carpet came this past Friday and I am pleased with it. It looks much better than the first one.

It took a little nudging but ACC took good care of me on this.

90  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: GM fenders '68 - What are they worth ??? on: October 10, 2013, 10:58:21 PM
Thanks for all the replies and info. It helps.

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