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151  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Paint choice for subframe and a-arms ? on: June 28, 2012, 08:05:26 AM
I am looking for a 2K paint for my subframe and a-arms. I definitely want a 2K for durability.

 I just recenty saw a frame painted in SEM Hot Rod Black and it was a little too flat for me and almost looked like a very, very dark gray rather than deep black. I don't want gloss but something that looks jet black with a little more sheen than what I saw on the Hot Rod Black. The best way I can describe the gloss level I want is something with a nice "glow" to it if that makes any sense.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.........Thanks, Dave
152  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Two piece brake rotor replacement. on: June 27, 2012, 09:02:11 PM
I need to replace the original two piece rotors on my '68 that uses the four piston calipers.

Does anyone know if anyone is making just the rotor section of the two piece originaI?.......................... I would like to find just the rotor part and keep the original hub. In another post I had put up, "tmodel66" had responeded the he found these on (Bendix part # PRT1213) but is using them on a "69. Amazon asks for your car info to make sure a part fits your car. It will say "yes" for a '69 but "no" for a '68. Maybe they work with the '69 single piston caliper but not the '68 four piston calipers.

I read a lot of old posts on this but most are pretty dated now. I know you can get the entire two piece (rotor and hub) in reproduction now. Just wondering about the rotor part by itself.

153  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Where to buy new steering and suspension components ??? on: June 19, 2012, 09:23:19 PM
I am just gettin back to this thread I started about three weeks ago.......thanks for all the input so far. I had asked about the best place to buy the following parts for my '68.
Ball joints
Spindles (maybe)
Tie rod ends
Tie rod adjusting sleeves
Pitman arm
Idler arm
Wheel bearings

I posted this question on TC as well. There were alot of different ideas given. From all the responses (and I know not everyone agreed) it seems the majority of people felt that...........

Moog, if made in the USA, is the best quality but do not look like the originals.

Rock Auto is the best place to buy Moog made in the USA parts.

Moog parts that are not made in the USA will be lesser quality than those that are.

Anything coming out of China will be poor quality.

When I see QS900 / ISO cert stuff in the description, that means made in China.

Anything that is correct in orignal appearance is made in China
Looking through the parts catalogs, it seems that anything that is stated to be correct in original appearance is made in China.
I would like to have original looking parts but not at the expense of durability or safety.

So my question now are.........Has anyone bought original looking off shore parts that failed on them? Does "China" automatically equate to poor quality?

Does anyone know of original looking parts that are USA made and good quality?


154  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Hotchkiss TVS, Body Bushings, A-arm bushings ??? on: June 15, 2012, 04:09:10 PM
I am considering installing the Hotchkiss TVS suspension system on my "68. I am looking for better handling but don't want an uncomfortable ride either. I want a compromise between good handling/cornering but be able to cruise in reasonable comfort and not get jarred around.......would the TVS system be a good choice for this?

If the TVS is a good choice, then I need to make choices about other components that affect the handling that are not included with the TVS but would work well with it. Namely, the subframe to body bushings and the upper and lower a-arm bushings.

I have read where solid subframe to body bushings are the way to go.....except maybe at the core support because the vibration might be bad for the radiator (true or false?). I had all solid subrame to body bushing in my car before I started my restoration and no problems with the ride quality or the radiator.

And the a-arm bushings, I know of course about polyurethane, but are there other choices out there besides stock bushings that might be better?

155  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Spindles - re-usable or not ??? on: May 28, 2012, 06:50:31 PM
There doesn't seem to be a groove where the seal rides.

And now to ask another rookie question......The grease seal, being pressed into the rotor and spinning around the stationary spindle......what keeps the seal from just melting away from the friction and the heat?
156  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Where to buy new steering and suspension components ??? on: May 28, 2012, 09:07:35 AM
I am rebuilding the front suspension and steering components on my 68. I'll be replacing the following items.

Control arms
Ball joints
Spindles (maybe)
Tie rod ends
Tie rod adjusting sleeves
Pitman arm
Idler arm
Wheel bearings

Other items necessary to replace such as bushings, I am going to ask about in a seperate post.

My question is where to buy these items from. I have looked at all of them in the major part catalogs (Classic Ind, Ricks, NPD, etc.). Some parts price out pretty much the same between the catalogs. Others can differ in price quite a bit. None of them say anything about who the manufacturer is. I wouldn't have a clue as to what is good quality or what isn't. I want to make sure am getting quality parts that fit right, do the job, and hold up.

Are there any manufacturers who are recomended for these parts?............and where can I find their products?

Also, my rotors are the two piece kind. Is it recomended to stay with the two piece or are the one piece replacements just as good?

157  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Spindles - re-usable or not ??? on: May 28, 2012, 08:11:39 AM
I am trying to determine if my original spindles are still good or should be replaced.  I am rebuilding my front suspension and have everything apart right now. This is a first time suspension rebuild project for me.........I am including a link with some pictures. There is some discoloration where the inner bearing rides on the shaft. The discoloration is not as dark as it looks in the pictures. I went over the discolored area with some 0000 steel wool and WD40 but it made no difference. It seems to be permanent. I have tried to show all 360 degrees of the shaft in the pictures. If you run your fingernail on the shaft where the inner bearind rides, the surface is smooth. If you run your fingernail on the shaft in front of or behind the surface where the inner bearing rides, you can feel very small machining ridges or grooves....... Are there specs posted anywhere that you can check for with a micrometer?

And now to ask what may seem like a silly question. WHere the inner race of the wheel bearings ride on the spindle shaft, is that inner race suppose to stay stationary or spin?

158  Site Comments / Discussion / Site Comments/Discussion / Posted a new topic but it does not show up on: May 27, 2012, 05:59:29 PM
I tried to post a topic in "Restoration" and it did not go through because my file size was to big. I fixed it and tried to resubmit and it came back saying that I has aready submitted this post. The post does not show up anywhere though. Even when I look at my own user name and check all my posts, it's not there!  I have tried to reword it slightly and re-post it and it keeps coming back saying "Error, this post has already been submitted"..........Any ideas Huh............Thank, Dave
159  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Is my subframe saveable or beyond repair ??? on: May 24, 2012, 09:24:50 AM
Dave, I am not sure where you live however I have a very very clean 1968 camaro subframe there is no pit or rust on it at all I have owned it for 19 years it is in my heated and cooled basement, it does have some dents on the middle cross member (maybe from jacking) the mount hole are perfect it is from California, The best part is you can have it for free if you come and pick it up and promiss not to sale it for profit, it is free for your 68. The lower control arm bumps are correct for 68 camaro only. You don't even have to paint it there is not a scratch on it! other than the the bottom dents it is the cleanest I have ever seen, it is a bare subrame. I live in North Carolina.
WOW !!! .........Paul......thank you for your generous offer. I live just outside of Orlando, FL and am very, very intersted. I am going to send you a PM shortly to talk about it. It might take me a little bit. I am fixing a water leak right in the house right now..........Dave
160  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Is my subframe saveable or beyond repair ??? on: May 23, 2012, 09:41:09 AM
I am trying to get some opinions as to wether my original GM '68 subframe is repairable or beyond hope. This is a first time restoration project for me and I am learning as I go. I just got the subframe stripped of all it's components and I found more damage than I was expecting!

I lost a good part of my original body when I got the shell repaired and am doing my best now to save whatever original parts that I can now as long as the cost doesn't get out of hand or I would have to sacrifce any structural integrity. I know getting the frame sandblasted or dipped would give me clearer picture of it's condition. I don't want to do that first though if it's already a lost cause. I am going to list the problems both structural and cosmetic and provide a Photobucket link with some pictures:

Structural: 1) The four main mounting holes are shot. ( I know this is repairable )

2) The drivers's side coil spring pocket is starting to rust through right where the top of the spring seats. I don't know if it rusted from the top down, the bottom up, or both. It's so crusty on both sides, it's hard to tell. This scares me the most!

3) The upper shock mounting hole on the drivers side has enlarged slightly and the metal thickness at the hole thinned out a little bit.

4) Most of the outer and inner surfaces of my frame have shallow rust pitting. If there is pitting, then there is some material lost which would mean some loss of strength. I don't know if this is an issue or not

Cosmetic: 1) Again the pitting on the ouside. ( I know this can be smoothed with body filler. )

2) Four of the slotted holes on the outside surfaces towards the front end are pulled outward and distorted from transport truck tie downs.

3) The bottom of the main cross member is caved upward slightly. Probably from jacking it up there. About a 1/4 in. in the center.

4) The bottom surface of the driver sider rail, between the firewall and the under the seat mount, is caved upward slightly also. About and eighth inch in the middle. Again, probably from jacking.

5) The factory welding is about as sloppy, messy, and ugly as you can get!

I did my best to check the subframe dimensions against those shown in the '68 Fisher body manual. Some of the dimensions shown are hard to check because you can't run a measuring tape directly from hole to hole because there is stuff in the way. I rigged up a way to do it but I am sure there was some room for error. The difference between my dimensions and the factory dimensions ranged from 0, 1/16, 1/8, and 3/16 inches at the worst.

So in the end, I want to put a structurally sound, cosmetically nice looking subframe back under this car. Preferably, the one that came down the assebly line with it. Can any or all of these things be repaired or is time to find a replacement in better shape ?

Any comments are appreciated.................Thanks...Dave
161  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: AMD Suframes - Quality, fitment, and finish ??? on: May 21, 2012, 03:38:58 PM
Thanks to all who responeded to my original post. I was hoping to hear more favorable news about the subframes. I put this question out on Team Camaro too and so far, have heard more negative than positve.

The reason I put the question out on the AMD frames is that I just pulled my original frame out and got it stripped to the bare frame and found more damage than I expected. I thought the AMD frame might be the answer but now am not sure. I am going put out a post about my original frame to get opinions if it beyond repair or not....I am going to do that next and go from there.

Router11...Glad you had good luck with yours. I will take you up on your offer to send picture of your subframe. I will send my e-mail in a PM.

162  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / AMD Suframes - Quality, fitment, and finish ??? on: May 18, 2012, 04:14:04 PM
I am trying to get some feedback on AMD subframes. I have read through the archives but still can't find the answers I am looking for.

Can anyone speak from their own experiace as to their quality, fit, and finish? Can anyone say if they bolt up to the body OK and if all the front end sheet metal and suspension components fit up to it correctly. And do they they hold up once installed and put through their paces on the street?...........or are they like so many other repro products....Close, but not quite right....and have to be modified?

I am surprised there has not been more discussion on them. You would think when these came out, that it would have been a huge breakthrough and everyone would be getting them..... I also wonder why the price has dropped twice since the were first introduced? Not selling well?

163  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Frustration in finding the right body shop on: January 24, 2012, 01:49:44 PM
Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. I know about Lucas and their reputation. I was hoping to stay closer to home but I will definately consider them.

68camaroZ28.......Thank you for your tip on Lucas. I didn't understand the quoting from my post and that Lucas doesn't do bodywork and paint.
164  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Frustration in finding the right body shop on: January 19, 2012, 05:30:05 PM
I am going to throw this out there to see what people think. Maybe get some opinions and/or suggestions..... Sorry for it being so long!

I have been searching for a body and paint shop to do the final sheet metal tweeking and paint job on my '68 coupe and find myself having more frustrations than anything else.

Let me explain first how far along my car is now. It was a former New York state rust bucket car. The shell of the car (from the firewall back) was completely rebuilt with full panel replacements. I have a rust free shell now. The shop that did this work specializes in Camaro panel replacements. They have worked with both Goodmark and AMD test fitting panels. Their body rebuilds have been featured in major car magazines. They worked with Hot Rod Magazine to help produce a restoration video series. They only do panel replacements, though. No body work or paint. There are numerous minor imperfections in the sheet metal that need to be fixed. When I asked the shop about this, they said the car was in the "rough metal state" and that my paint and body shop would take care of these.

I have almost all of my front end sheet metal accumulated for the project. It is all original used GM parts in excellent condition or needing very minor repairs.

First off, I only need to them to put the car in paint. I want to walk away with a just a painted, rolling shell. Nothing more! I can do the rest of the work myself to see the project through to completion.

I need the imperfections in the repaired shell fixed.

I need the imperfections in my front end sheet metal fixed.

I need the front end sheet metal assembled and aligned.

I want an a nice, straight, no ripples body with even and consistent panel gaps.

I want show quality paint with no orange peel.

HERE IS WHERE THE FRUSTRATION STARTS: I have read a lot of posts on this website and have talked to some know legable people and thought I had a fair idea of how much this would cost. I thought maybe 10K to 15K. Maybe a little more............I visited 13 restoration shops in the State of Florida this past November and December. Some in my immediate area and some as far as two hours away from me. I could not haul my car to all of these shops. I went in with extensive photos of my car and all the areas that are going to need work. I sat down with the shop owners or managers. We went through the pictures and I went over my goals and expectations for the car. Of course, they could only give ballpark figures and I understand that...............I got a low estimate of $4500 to a high estimate of $70,000 ( I am not kidding.... $70,000 !!! ) and everywhere in between. Numbers like $15K, $25K, $30K, and $45K......... I got shop rates ranging from $45/hr to $70/hr.......... We didn't break down the price into labor rate x hours plus materials at each place. Where we did talk hours, I got totals of 400, 500, and 1000 hrs.

At most of the places with an estimate lower than $25K, I wouldn't have been comfortable dropping my car off there. I saw shops that looked like junk yards on the outside and like a tornado hit the inside. I saw a lot of work that was just so-so and some poor quality work too. Of the shops that had completely painted cars there to look at, I only saw cars that impressed me at three shops. Cars that I would be pleased if my car came out like that. These were at the $25K, $30K, and $45K shops. The shop that said possibly $70K had a finished '68 Camaro in their shop that was OK but nothing special.

I thought getting the shell repaired would be the hardest part of the project. Now I am finding this body shop search to be. I am frustrated at the differences in prices between shops. I am frustrated that most of the shops that were in that 10k to 15K price range did not have decent looking cars.

Am I barking up the wrong tree to think I can end up with the kind of car I want ( again, just a painted rolling shell ) for 15K more spent in addition work that has already been done? Just wondering what people think.
165  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Body bolt kit or re-use originals ??? on: November 02, 2011, 05:27:25 PM
I am debating on wether to clean and refinish all my body bolts and fasteners ( most seem saveable) or buy a "complete body fastener kit" for my '68 Camaro. The task of degreasing, derusting, and refinishing all those fasteners seems a little daunting............For the money, it seems like a replacement kit might be a better (easier) way to go.

What are people's experiences with these kits? Are they the correct grade with the correct markings and correct finish. Does it vary depending on who you order them from? I see the name "AMK" coming up alot. How are they? I am looking for a correct factory finish in my car.

If I choose to reuse my originals, what is a good way to do a bulk degreasing and derusting while still being able to identify what is what after they come out of the labeled bags? I am sure I could probably take them somewhere to be dipped or can you do this (in bulk I mean ) at home?

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