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136  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Wiper transmission rebuild necessary ??? on: May 13, 2013, 09:40:10 PM
I am wondering if my windshield wiper transmission is OK as is or needs attention. All of the three ball and socket joints are very free moving. All of the rivets are tight but there is no resistance to movement whatsoever. Two of the three joints have almost no play in the joint. Meaning when I try to move the ball around inside the socket, there is only the tinyest, barely noticeable, movement. The third joint however has some play. Maybe a little more than a 32nd of an inch when moving it side to side.

Is this normal and OK or do I need to do something about the joint with the play in it.

Should you use anything special to lubricate these ball and socket joints.

How about the rotating joint of the the wiper post. Does that need to be cleaned and lubed in any way. They rotate freely with a little resistance. I don't know if that is normal or not.

137  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / 68 outside window fuzzies recommendation on: May 13, 2013, 09:06:21 PM
Does anyone have a recommendation on where to buy the outside window fuzzies for a 68 that has the reveal belt moldings on top of the door and quarter panel. I would like them to be as original as possible in looks and function.

I am not sure if I should order both the inside and the outside ones. I just need the outside ones for right now. My original inside fuzzies don't look too bad. That's hard for me to know for sure though without holding them along side of new ones to compare. I am not sure if they need replacing.

Rick's sells kits with the outsides only as well as kits for all of the inside and outside. I looked at Steel Rubber Products and it seems you have to buy the inside and outside together. Steele's seem pretty expensive too. And that's OK if they are excellent quality.

138  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 68 repro doors - Problems with? Who makes? on: May 08, 2013, 10:41:07 AM
Thanks for the info (even though that's not what I was hoping to hear).

AMD told me that they are making their own '68 door skins now and are working on '68 complete shells but they weren't ready yet. AMD said the complete door shells they are selling right now are from Dynacorn.

Has anyone had experience with Dynacorn '68 doors as far as metal thickness, fitment to the body, and all the things that attach to the door?

Also, does anyone know if Dynacorn doors and Golden Legion doors are on in the same or different pieces?

139  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Installing grab handle and bezels on: May 07, 2013, 06:30:25 PM
I know this is not an answer to your question but could you explain the Thermo-vacuum molding process and where you had that done?

140  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / 68 repro doors - Problems with? Who makes? on: May 07, 2013, 06:24:09 PM
I am faced with the possibility of having to get repro doors for my '68. I don't know yet if my original doors are candidates for new skins. I have looked around past forum posts and can't find too many good things said about the repros.

Are there different manufacturers for these doors or just one? Most of the posts I read with bad comments about them are a little old now. I was wondering if there are any new stampings out there that are better quality?

Besides just to fitting the door to the body, I am worried about all the things that attach to the door.....Exterior handle, lock cylinder, interior door panel, interior handle, deluxe interior grab handle, reveal molding on the top, window tracks and regulators, fuzzies, weather stripping, window guides, hinges, latch mechanism, etc. That's a whole bunch of mounting holes that have to be in the right place!

Can anyone who has used repro doors on a '68 comment as to how much trouble they with attaching all of these things.

141  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: N30 steering wheel restoration on: April 15, 2013, 11:15:46 PM
I have  the same wheel. I got a steering wheel puller from Autozone and got it right off. Autozone has a free tool loaner program. You essentially buy the tool and then get a full refund when you bring it back. Of course you have to bring it back in the same condition it was in when you took it out.

By the way, where are you sending yours for restoration? If I had a dollar for every crack mine has in it, I could retire.
142  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Solid subframe bushings at the core support ??? on: April 13, 2013, 08:25:49 PM
First off, thanks for everyone's reply and input.

I asked this question in the first place because of old posts I have read on the forums where people thought the solid bushings at the core support were a bad idea. I was just trying to see if there were some more current opinions. There are also a bunch of old posts out there from people who felt differently. Many said they have used solid bushings at the core support for years and have never had any radiator problems.

Since the radiator uses rubber mounts, I am going to go ahead and use the solids all the way around.

As to why GM didn't use solid mounts, I am guessing rubber mounts were a compromise to please all drivers. A firm ride that might be acceptable and fun to one us might not have been to the average driver.

143  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Solid subframe bushings at the core support ??? on: April 12, 2013, 04:06:38 PM
I will be using solid subframe bushings on my '68. I just ordered the kit containing the bushngs for all six body mount locations.

I have read though, that the solid bushings were not recommended to use where the radiator core support attachches to the subframe because the transmitted vibration could damage the radiator.

I am just looking for opinions on this. Has anyone actually ever had this happen to them? I have no problem buying rubber mounts for that connection if I need to. I don't want to though, if there is no good reason for it.

144  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: "68 Rear bumper mounting trouble.....hole to hole check dimensions available? on: March 30, 2013, 10:32:38 PM
In order to pull both intermediate brackets tight to the body, they had to be tightened really hard. Beyond what would seem normal. When they were tight,  the driver side bracket hole center was about a half inch forward of the center of the hole in the 1/4 panel. No way to put a bolt through there.

So I took the bumper off and checked it for straightness by laying straightedeges across the inside edge of the top half. What I found was a subtle kink inwards (towards the body) starting at the driver's side intermediate bracket hole.

Also, with the center bracket in place, if you tighten the just the driver's side intermediate bracket, the passenger side intermediate bracket is a half inch away from the body, and vice versa. That can't be right. To tighten both intermediate brackets tight to the body, you are flexing the body, or the bumper, or both.

Can someone tell me if the bumper should be perfectly straight end to end or if there should be a slight crown in the middle like the trunk lid and top of the tail panel has?

I will be on the phone with the shop who did the work on Monday.


145  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / "68 Rear bumper mounting trouble.....hole to hole check dimensions available? on: March 28, 2013, 07:35:56 PM
I had my original '68 rear bumper straightened and re-chromed. I have reproduction 1/4 panels and tail panel. I also have reproduction CHQ bumper brackets with the exception of the center bracket which is the original one to the car.

I am having trouble making the bumper fit right........ I can get it on the car but cannot get the driver side corner bracket hole to line up with the hole in the quarter panel. Also, I haven't tried it yet but it seems it would take a lot of bolt torquing to pull the two brackets that are between the corner brackets and the center bracket tight to the body

I guess the problem could be anywhere.....1/4 panel, tailpanel, brackets or the bumper itself...........Or maybe I am not doing it the right way.

Is there a correct sequence or procedure when mounting the rear bumper?.. ..Maybe a different way would give different results.......Should the brackets go on the bumper first? (how loose or tight?) and then the brackets to the body? Or the brackets on the body first (how loose or tight?) and then the bumper to the brackets? Or a combination of both? What should you tighten first and how hard should you tighten everything?

I also want to make sure the bumper was straightened correctly. The shop that straightened it said they had some sort of guide that they used to make sure everything was right.

Does anyone know of any published "check" dimensions for a '68 rear bumper? To be able to check if all the mounting holes are in correct relation to each other. To be able to prove that the chrome shop did it right.


146  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: '68 taillight bezels won't fit properly. on: March 24, 2013, 07:36:23 PM
The tail panel to trunk lid alignment seems to be pretty good from what my amateur eyes can tell. After looking at your photos of the three different tail panels, I'd  have to say mine look more the GM and AMD than the other. I don't know what brand was used by the shop that did the work.
147  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: '68 taillight bezels won't fit properly. on: March 24, 2013, 04:06:12 PM
Scott, thanks for the reply. Yes....repro quarters too! When you say the 1/4 inch is divided by two, I assume you mean you would tilt the bezel so that you have an 1/8 inch gap at oppsite corners instead of the whole 1/4 inch at one corner.  I am not sure what you mean when you say body work cannot be done from a screen, though. When you say you can make multiple manipulations for a better fit, can you be more specific?

I am attaching a photo of my entire tail pan area. I really don't know how to tell a GM tail panel from one that's not. If it doesn't look like a GM, is that significant for anything other than correct appearance?


By the way....does anyone know if I might be better off buying a set of CHQ bezels rather than using OER ones that were manufactured twelve years ago?

148  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: '68 taillight bezels won't fit properly. on: March 24, 2013, 01:10:32 PM
Thanks for everyone's opinions and ideas.

I know that gaskets will fill gaps. I see some cars out there where the gasket will be squeezed down to nothing in one corner of the taillight bezel and a 1/4 inch thick on another corner. I don't think that looks so good. Is that the best you can hope for with reproduction parts?                       

I see other cars out there that seem to be an almost perfect fit all the way around with the gasket barely visible. Are these original  parts, better reproduction, or someone who just got lucky?

I wanted to see if my problem was the tail panel, the bezels, or both so I took a piece of wood cut it in the shape of the bezel, put a screw through it at each corner, and adjusted the screws so that the end of all four screws touched a flat surface at the same time. (the end of all four screws were in the same plane). The I put the screws up to the taillight openings and the new OER bezels to see what might be warped.

What I found with the taillight openings was that the top, outside corner on each opening was pulled in a 1/4 inch from the other three corners and that the OER bezels seem to be flat. (All four screws touch the corners of the bezel at the same time)

I guess my questions now are......Is this the correct shape of the tail panel and the bezels should have be manufactured to match?.......or is the tail panel warped and the bezels the correct shape?

I haven't tried this yet since I don't have gaskets yet......but if you crank down all the stud bolts and draw the bezel tight to the tail panel, are you going to notice distortion in the tail panel?

149  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / '68 taillight bezels won't fit properly. on: March 21, 2013, 09:51:06 PM
I am having trouble with the fitment of the taillight bezels on my '68. I have a reproduction tail panel and OER bezels that were bought new in 2001 and stored away until now. The studs on the taillight bezels fit the holes in the tail panel OK. The problem that the bezels do not sit tight to the tail panel at all four corners at the same time. Also, the curvature of the bezel from top to bottom does not match the curvature of the tail panel exactly.

No body work or metal shaping work has been done on the tail panel since it was installed. The worst side is the passenger side where, when three corners of the bezel touch the tail panel, the fourth corner is sticking out a 1/4 inch. (See the picture. Three corners are touching. You can see the shadow being cast by the lower , left hand corner that is up)

I am getting ready to send the car to the body shop for final body work and paint and this can't be left this way.

I am not sure if the the problem is the tail panel....the bezels.....or a combination of both.

Can anyone comment on these OER bezels that are unused but twelve years old now and if they were known to fit poorly?

Would I be better off with a new set of CHQ bezels which seem to have a good reputation?

Can a body man do anything with the tail panel for a better fit without warping it?

Any suggestions would be appreciated.


150  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Interior parts suppliers on: March 17, 2013, 02:02:35 PM
I am not meaning to hijack the thread but I have a question and JKZ27 might find the answer useful also. When Al Knoch restores a door panel, what parts of the original door panel remain and what is new. I have a '68 deluxe door panel which is made up of the heavy cardboard backing that has a 2 inch wide metal strip running across the top. I am assuming there is foam between the carboard backing and the vinyl covering.


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