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31  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: photos of my 69 build, on: January 27, 2014, 02:09:19 PM
yea thats what im thinking,   Im not killed in the car,   i went buying a "rust free" car and paid more that i feel like i should have at this point considering what i have to fix,  but if was say $5K less i would felt better..  Ive looked for years and its either a good car $30k ish,  to start with,  or it needs everything for $10-15K.   

The cars ive seen that are already done are like $60K sooo, in the long run i should have about that amount in this one but have what i want,   but with that said big motors arnt cheap so i cant really compair prices..

I bought a running driving pretty good looking car,  it just hid its flaws well...   Sorta like the really hot woman from the bar or club,  they never look the same in normal lighting lol...    It is what it is i guess.     I looked on AMD and it looks like i need about $3K worth of parts so its as bad as i thought..  I just dont know what labor will cost to put it together. 

Ive been down the road before,  once you start you dont stop.  Back in 1990 same deal on 67 vette..  Frame off restoration,  everything new,  then crashed the car like a pro in 94,   suied erie ins car set for years,  when we  fixed it i fixed as a driver in 96-97,  fast forward to now and its showing its age..   I havent done anything to it, becuase if you fix one thing then the rest has to be done.  That and i kinda like the look of the abused car,  stress cracks, bubber melted on the paint,  paint faided in spots and then some a hole keyed it...    its like the 67 vette that no one cares about...  turns quite a few heads...   heck i havent washed it in 3 years,  i just get it and ride with all the dust and dirt on it,  lol,  the exhaust has turned the red lines black on the back as well as the wheels...  look like im rolling slicks on steelie in the back,   but its fun.. 

32  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: photos of my 69 build, on: January 27, 2014, 10:00:53 AM
Sorry for the late reply.  this post has blown up,   i posted all those last week then get the flu,   


Yes i got the car from a dealer,  i dont think they knew the car had the problems,  and the way it was all hidden there was no way to to know.  besdides the roof,  i guess the car has been fixed correctley over time,  the body work was straight as can be, and gaps where good, also all the pannels sounded the same,     I guess the only way i might have been able to find out about the roof is if i took the head linner down,  but im not what you can see with the it down.. ive never had one out in a camaro.   

What i find interesting is they fiberglassed the roof, on the top,  then did nothing on the sides,  just left those holes about the size of your thumb...   or maybe they came in after they painted the part and fixed the roof?   I do know we went over the car as pretty good,  i figued a roof sikn from the start because i dont like the vinyl top,  and if i had left the rest alone it would have probably been ok,  but if im going to do the roof might as well do everything else..


I guess for now ill sand down those two doors and see if anything is under them.   If not then i know i need both front fenderes,  both 1/4 pannels,  trunk lid,  roof and god knows what under the roof skin...   

Then take the car to our lake house one night and just leave it,   ive got a 2 car garage down there thats to small for the sububrans to fit in so it just empty... it has heat and air and a security system so i think ill just take it down there and leve it until i buy all the parts.. 

The last custom car i did,  we did all the body work and paint first which sucked,   so ill probably just order everything,  then get some money saved up to have it all installed,  then just ride it in primer until motor and everything is done..    Its a total pain in the ars working on a finished car,   it seems like the harder you try for something not to happen the more stuff happens...   


I am a dealer and he was a delaer but ive never had a issue like this.  In the past ive had to have cars bought back that mileage issues,  or  frame damage,  but not over rust.   So i ask a friend who deals in the old cars all the time and he said its yes and no,   Yes i can try to fight and no its probably not work it unless they other dealer just got scared and bought it back.   but chances of that are slim to non.  So im going lawers fee's etc and on the old car stuff its not a open and shut case..    Exaple if you bought real copo car, with everything correct, numbers, papers etc,  and then get it and the motor is out of say a 71 dump turck, then yes you have something to work with,    but with the rust bening covered up,   his lawers will play the card of he didnt know,  bla bla bla...     

I think if i try to go that way,  i just need to call the dealer and see who he got it from,  he only had the car a month by they way title work show's.    play the card of both of us are interested in talking to him... 
33  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: photos of my 69 build, on: January 22, 2014, 01:08:17 PM
well to be honest i dont know..

i have some friends that do body stuff,  of course everything is fixable as they say.     Im sorta thinking new 1/4 that are the full length,  new roof skin, and what ever is needed under the skin...   Im about as far as i can go considering i know nothing about stuff..  looks like front fends are about 250-300,  so im this far in might as well get those as well.   to be honest it looks like i have two good doors and a hood. Sad..    the fire wall looks good on the out side, but knows once its all taken apart. 

I dont plan on ever putting the car up for sale, so i guess fix it correctly is my only option.   I just wish i had known i would have passed and bought a "rough" car...

the original game plan was a copo cloned look,   black wheels black body no options...  then a big big motor,  like 632 or something...  but now that im going to have to cough up this money for new parts, and labor and paint,  that will be a long time down the road,   other thought was th400 on the column and my old turbo big block thats fuel injected..

Right now i just try not to puke when i see it     
34  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: photos of my 69 build, on: January 22, 2014, 10:13:27 AM
Rubber glove Wink    I cought a nuckel on one of those rivit? things that holds the vinyl roof on,   after i got some gloves Wink

they are thin, but have the rubber coating on the bottom.  I always just buy the cheap one becuse once i take something off i can never find it again between the kids and dogs..   
I tried this pair and they are good for big job but if you really need your fingers to work they dont well.
http://www.lowes.com/pd_67271-94953-LW37120/L5P_0__?productId=3516488&Ntt=gloves&pl=1&currentURL=%3FNtt%3Dgloves&facetInfo=

Now yesterday i got a pack of them for like $4.00  but they are not chemical stuff,   i had to put a gate up someone kicked in,   rusted screws are not my friend Wink

35  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: photos of my 69 build, on: January 22, 2014, 09:48:47 AM
Some chunks of the bondo that came off with the scraper.



hard to see but that the door,  see how there are three different colors of filler or soemthing going on.







So i scraped all that off and there was nothing under it,  which was od,  moved on to the next pannel and Bam,  it has plate rivited on to it,  so to make the car look straight they just filled the doors full of mud.



so from the looks of it i need pretty much the passanger side.


Moved back to roof to see how bad it really was and well im screwed...   I busted the fiber glass to see what was under it and well there is much left.














So thats where i am as of now,  i started on the drivers side and it look like it will also need 1/4s and front fender...
36  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / photos of my 69 build, on: January 22, 2014, 09:39:07 AM
Ok,  I cant find the correct place for builds,   Mods feel free to move..  


Quick recap,  i was sold a " rust free" car thats wasnt rust free...  Here is what i have now,  



then we wet sanded it becuse that paint was nasty.





end result was it looked better than before,   i rode the car about a month and the fuel pump,  got that fixed and got cought in the rain...  once in the rain i relised that we have a problem.   water everywhere..  

So i took the vinyl roof off and it rusted,   but someone at some point did a half butt job and fiberglasses parts to the metal to fix...    from there i decided to just stip the entire car and see what all else has been done wrong.






quarter pannel,   i cut the bondo out..


Roof to windshild.



the entire car was covered in this gray stuff,  i thought it was bondo but this is over top of the bondo
  

37  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: who do you all get body parts from? on: January 17, 2014, 02:28:59 PM
No i havent called anyone yet,  im still stripping the car, and my list keeps growing..

you all can just call me tom hanks like in the movie money pit Sad
38  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: who do you all get body parts from? on: January 15, 2014, 03:47:50 PM
good info 67rs,

I made some progress last night,  ill get some photos,  the car besides the roof seems to be in good shape but im worried about the roof..    Also who ever did the 1/4 pannels at some point in its life did the strange..  or at least i havent seen them done like this,  i might have to end up doing new 1/4's  im no body guy so i dont know to be honest..   

the 1/4 pannel looks like this one,

http://www.classicdiscountparts.com/products/1969-Camaro-Quarter-Panel-Skin-RH.html

but by the time you cover up the difference it makes for a lot of filler,  im not sure they did it wrong or what..  I guess ill ask a friend that does body work..

At any rate,  i have half a blue camaro and half a delorian at the current time Wink   Door and front fender look good but also had a lot of bondo and then some gray stuff,  its like puddy when warm,  sorta same color as concreet,   what i dont understadn is that ive removed the bondo and there is nothing under it.   I guess the door shell its self had a dent or something?   the front part of the door where it close to the front fender was real think,  about two credit cars worth in spots but nothing under it..     
39  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: who do you all get body parts from? on: January 14, 2014, 09:04:11 AM
grate!  sounds like this will be a lot of fun Wink   I guess the good news is the parts have to be better than fiberglass parts.

I know for sure i need a roof skin, but other than that im not sure what will be needed..  I didnt get any time yesterday to do anything  with work then 3 hours of basket ball practice with the kids, food, home works and showers i was beat...  and what is that causes kids not to get the point of being clean!! 

once you all get everything to fit what product did you use before primer.   When we did my supra wide body i think they use fuser? for something...  it might have been to bond the fiber glass to metal...  I just remember it was some expensive stuff sorta like bondo but did a lot more...

Ill look up that AMD place on line,   

Ill try to get some photos of the stuff for your opinions...

40  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: who do you all get body parts from? on: January 13, 2014, 11:52:08 AM
sounds good..   i knew some one here has bought stuff.. 

I did a quick google search last night and pulling up all sorts of stuff.  Most seem to cheap so i didnt even click on the links,  stuff like $160 for a roof skin,   that just doesnt seem possiable to me.

As for the rest of the car.  If it was yours and you where in no hurry to get the body work done,  and it sets inside..  would try to strip it down to metal or just leave it alone..     The pannels are straight, too straight to be honest with you which has me worried.   I dont want to spend a lot of money then a few years later have stuff show up under the new paint.. 

If you where strip it,  what do you use.   A friend of mine said to get the 3M brisel? disk. 

Im not worried about the metal rusting in the garage,  but i could also plastic dip it clear for a hunderd bucks until all the work is done then just rip it off before its painted. 
41  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / who do you all get body parts from? on: January 13, 2014, 09:10:29 AM
Well i got the bright idea to take that vinyletop off...  that was a bad idea. 

Apparently it has had work done in the past,  and then top put on to cover up the work...   

Around the windshild it looks like they tried to remold the roof with fibergalss or something, anyway i can stick my fingers threw the holes in the front where the windshild strim should be.    the top skin is in good shape and i guess i got down down to the original blue,  its very light almost silverish color..    the "B" pillers? that come down behind the rear windows are in good shape on the passanger side but the drivers side looks like it has 3 bullet holes in it..    they are not round holes and they puncher holes.. 

So i guess im going to do a roof skin,   after i got started i decided to go one down with taking stuff off.   It looks like it has had a 1/4 pannel put on it but its in a strange spot to be installed i think.   Its about dead center on the top (flat spot) of the 1/4.   

I guess at this point ill just strip all of it to make sure i dont need any other stuff.
42  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 console gauge/ tach question on: January 09, 2014, 04:39:38 PM
At this point i think im just going to go with a 4L80e,   main reason is i have one,  and ive also got a 8.1L in the garage that needs a set of pistons,  ( bad gas big turbo it went boom)  and a turbo kit.   it lived 3 years on my suburban and be real nasty in a car..   I guess i need to research and see what will work the best..  a nos column for a th400 linked up the 4l80E would be kinda nice...     I want to have it all stock looking except under the hood...   i dont know a way to make a fuel injected motor and turbo look original Wink

So either find a kit to make the column shifter work by changing it something not powerglide,   or see if there is a way to make a manual looking shifter work.  but dont want the console if i go that way... i like the look of the sifter and boot only in the floor.
43  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: New Z28 Pricing.... $75K??? on: January 08, 2014, 10:41:43 AM
that will be some crashed corvettes Wink

44  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 console gauge/ tach question on: January 08, 2014, 10:40:45 AM
also guess i need to switch out the steering column,   

At some point i want to go to a manual.  some one has already switched to a crap shifter on the floor but left the column shift in R i guess so the back up lights work... 

I just need to hit the lotor then order everything at once!
45  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: fuel pump died? on: January 08, 2014, 10:32:25 AM
good call mark,    I hope not, but to be honest i havent even looked..  the high yesterday was 4*!

A warm front is on its way they say,  we might get back to above freezing by friday so ill go mess with it then.
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