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16  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / More number for you guys on: September 03, 2014, 09:15:54 AM
So i got around to getting some numbers..

So far we know that it was built 5-16-69,  X11,  V8 car,  Ext Paint is Glacier Blue With Parchment vinyl top, Interior is Ivory/Black,  Car has PDB, PS, AC, 

I have looked for marking to see if its a real SS and have yet to find any,  So we are under the assumption it was a 307 with a power glide,.... 

With that said these numbers are off the current motor in the car which has no vin numbers.

Front of the block,      BLANK      V 1204 TBC     ( thats all it says)       From what ive searched thats a 1970 truck block.

Back of the block,     25 GM  3970010,    Those number on here make it a 69-70 block but can be in any car.

above that there is a dial,  It pointing to D  ( about 1 o clock)  below that is circle with dots,  at "12" oclock there is a  dot above it,  the arrow is pointing to 4th hump...


On to heads..   3947041,   L30  3   

thats as far as ive gotten,   although i have found all the vin numbers on the body and they are same,  Not that it matter with the rust lol...   
17  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Where to cut roof off 69 coupe on: August 27, 2014, 08:33:12 AM
I didnt even know they had a body shop. 

Yea that what im trying to figure out lol..

I have paint covered thats all my buddy does.. 
18  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: photos of my 69 build, on: August 26, 2014, 04:06:10 PM
yea,  the vette is a beater...  its in good shape,  i just dont see spending the money to make is " beautiful"   the maroon has faded a LOT over the years,  and its got stress cracks all over it..    to do it correctly i guess it needs to be blasted down the gel coat,  then patched or re-gelled or something then repaint..     Right now it sorta has the dont give a **** look lol..
19  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: need help identifying sheet metal parts on: August 26, 2014, 04:00:41 PM
good post i need one of those too,  or something that goes from the truck to the fender.
20  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Where to cut roof off 69 coupe on: August 26, 2014, 03:56:41 PM
he did!  but we are quite a few miles apart, Wink   

As i keep taking tuff apart the more i need,  and i dont do stuff half way so i guess ill have brand new 69 camaro when done Sad   so not the project i wanted or the any where close to my plan... 

I called about shell the other day on line,  of course no answer and no call back..   I have yet to understand why people post things for sale but dont answer the phone.. 

Im trying to decide if i want to get each panel or a body....   I cant get a body shop around here to tell me what the cost is,   I know they work by hours,  I dont see why it so hard to say " we charge $50.00 a hour,  or $200 a hour"   give me an idea of where im heading... if i do a floor pan, fire wall,  bottom a pillars, new 1/4's  and inner 1/4's, roof skin, etc..  it might be the same amount as just buying that body already put together...   

but after two dogs and cat in the animal hospital all at the same time last week im in vet bill shock... Patrick didnt make it :-(  ( cat ) so i replaced him with two kittens... one for each kid.  Got the cremation bill for him today... now i guess i need to find a head stone...


21  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: What's this parts name? Dumb question ... on: August 13, 2014, 08:56:07 AM
I think the first link is what i need,  ill get a photo of it at lunch..   the dash looks fine to me,  worked on it some last night trying to get the air out...

22  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Ebay "COPO" trim tag for sale on: August 12, 2014, 08:40:18 AM
copo,   central office production order,  which we all know,   but that was the same forums use to get the base model stuff too wasnt it,  like cop cars, cabs, etc....    So i guess he has used "choice wording" in the description 
23  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: What's this parts name? Dumb question ... on: August 12, 2014, 08:30:26 AM
yes that would be it!  told ya dumb question.     most of mine is fine except where the wind shiled was mounted at the bottom.   The glass is still in the car but its missing a lot of that metal where the bottom of the glass touches it.  I guess the silicone didnt hold up and it rusted out.   Whats odd is the rest of its fine,  the front where the wiper motor mounts,  and the inside where the wiper arms are is fine too..   

guess ill ad that to the list of parts lol...

Thanks!   

24  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Original dealer info for 1st gens is available on: August 12, 2014, 08:24:11 AM
awesome! 
25  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: New body? on: August 11, 2014, 08:32:03 PM
I think the numbers matching stuff is neat but has turned into pocket book bragging.

Like take the big auction.   69 zl1 for example.  10k original miles full frame off restoration 100% perfect bla bla bla.  Well why the frame off ?    I also like the "auction cars". Nothing has been touched. This is the way it was.  They show a engine shot and the heads still have the coating on them.   How's that work?  Every old car I've had that has been restored or was finished when I got it the manifold turned as soon as you drove it.   You also hear fresh over hall done a lot,   


If I was to buy a car to put up. Yes I would all the papers, original as possible, and matching numbers.   But for the cost of one of those you can have 3 cars to play with...


Take my 67 vette for example.  It was my dads. Beat on every day and many broken parts.  When I got it we went threw the motor.  Then I broke a gear set,  then I exploded a ring gear etc etc.    Now it's a stroker motor, forged pistons m22 gear set, Mc load clutch and replacement ring gear 4:56s etc etc.   Now by the numbers it's still "matching numbers" by the numbers.  Just don't take it apart lol.   

I guess it comes down to what the owner wants to do with the car and that's fine.  But a perfect car to set and look at just doesn't do anything for me,  sorta like my friends with drag only cars.  Well that was fun for 8-9 seconds let's put it back on the trailer and go home.   

It's not matching number cars,  I use all my stuff,  I picked up the wife's Denali in a blizzard.  Black on black 1 mile and hammer down.  Should I have waited. Yea probably.  It's not very shinny and you can't get the wheels clean. Did that come for the salt? Who knows but it's  awd and got me home.  Same deal on the suburan. Three tornados a hurricane and few blizzard, and about 15 hail storms.  It looks like crap but does what I need it to do.  Sunday we went threw a 2 foot deep river and up a atv trail for two miles because the kids 4 wheeler quit,  it's covered in mud. I'm sure there are new dents and tree rash,   But it did it's job
26  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: now what... body bolts... on: August 11, 2014, 08:07:40 PM
I couldn't  find the little torch. I'm assuming my son went and burnt stuff.
I used pb blaster, and most came out.  The one that didn't I just beat out or cut the metal with a saw. 
27  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / What's this parts name? Dumb question ... on: August 11, 2014, 08:05:15 PM
Under the windshield you have cowl panel cover, inside that you have the wipers.  What's the metal structure called?  I looked at firewalls but it's not that.   Looked for cowl panel and it shows the one with vents and wipers holes.  Also looked at cowl panel upper?  That sorta looks like what I need?  I also saw cowl panel tanks which I could use too. 

Other than the cowl panel "upper" I can't find anything that looks close. 
28  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Original dealer info for 1st gens is available on: August 08, 2014, 03:33:58 PM
i got mine today,

for you number guys,   i still haven't figured out how you all come up with all this info by looking at number,  i guess your related to rain man   
05/14/1969   vin 9N643537
29  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: any of you ever sued over a car you bought on: July 25, 2014, 01:31:02 PM
yea i got the shaft thats for sure,

so earlier some one ask how i didnt see the rivets in the 1/4 panels,  so curiosity got to me,  dilled them out last night and the original panel is under it...  

  so went from this, wen sanding it  to this













how thick the crap is where the 1/4 touch the rockers.  then over course the trim was on top of it.










as for the dealer part im not sure what you mean by that,  i never said i was expert, and since your digging up old post you probably saw that i ask a lot of question before i went and looked and checked out all the places that everyone on here said to look..   the next camaro i buy ill fly you in to in to inspect with your trained eye...        


as for the date,  i did find a tag that says ppc  or ppr,  on the back side it says 9-22-11  so i guess someone got parts then or maybe there was warranty that expired then or it was intalled then?    i should just another mid year,  they crack but the body doesnt rust lol.
30  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: any of you ever sued over a car you bought on: July 24, 2014, 09:24:09 AM
did some last night,

Radiator support is shot,  and now the bottom of the A piller where it ties into in the rockers pannel? is rusted has freaking holes in it...   Ive looked on line but i cant seem to find that section...  Am i calling it the wrong name or is just not made.    Its the lower piece where the door bolts on, the L part of that is shot,  where it ties into the rocker panel..  Ill get a better picture  but for now,  ( photo sucks,)  that the where the front fender and door meet,  thats the part i cant find.. 



Here is the seat brace i was talking about earlier,   




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