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31  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Special Order Paint -Playboy Pink on: March 24, 2009, 05:56:40 PM
In your professional opinion, is there any possible way to find out how many special order painted cars there were in 1968?  Is there any way to find out how many pink Camaros were produced in 1968?  Do records like these exist ANYWHERE?

Thanks,
Tony Huntimer
32  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Special Order Paint -Playboy Pink on: March 23, 2009, 05:12:41 PM
I've only heard about this one car. It's an interesting story, but ...... no other Camaros have shown up. There's also some pink Firebirds too.

I checked on the Firebirds, and they actually offerred pink as a special order color according to a Firebird historical data website.

I did run across one other guy on the internet who says he owns a 68 RS 396 Camaro that he believes is a Playboy Pink Camaro too.  He included his address back in 2007, but it's no longer valid.  It would be interesting to find other 68's with the same paint and see how close their VIN's are.  If thes 50 Playboy Pink Camaros really did exist, I'm sure most of them have been repainted and people are not aware they even own a pink Camaro.
33  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Special Order Paint -Playboy Pink on: March 22, 2009, 08:29:06 PM
Has anyone else heard about this Playboy Pink paint?  Or do we need to talk to Hef to find out?

Tony Huntimer
34  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Special Order Paint -Playboy Pink on: March 22, 2009, 06:21:23 PM
Hey guys,

What was the process for special order paint?

I've read this article:
http://www.camaros.org/assemblyprocess.shtml

But, it doesn't cover how special order paint was processed.  My friend has a Playboy Pink 68 Camaro that was definitely painted at the factory.  How were these special order cars processed, since the shells were painted separately from the front sheetmetal.  Were special order paint cars painted using the same process as the other 19 standard colors?  Special order paint didn't make the car a COPO right?

Were special order paint cars ---painted at certain times of the month?  Were they all saved up over a few weeks and painted together?  Were they all special order paint cars painted in batches...like a bunch of Playboy Pink Camaros were painted with special order paint cars, and then they would switch back to standard colors so the line wouldn't get messed up?

The side story to the color.
Supposedly...Playboy ordered 50, but only took delivery of about 35.  The left over pink 68 Camaros were auctioned or distributed to dealerships.  One was sent to Courtesy Chevrolet in San Jose, CA.  It sat on the lot until July of 1969, when my friends' Grandparents purchased it.  Other than the color, this is a very basic 327/PG car with hubcaps and std interior.  And, yes I know that the Playmate of the year in 1968 (Angela Dorian) received a Playboy Pink 1968 AMX.  Who knows why she didn't get a Camaro if they ordered pink Camaros? 

Tony Huntimer
35  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Venezuela's Camaros.... on: March 20, 2009, 07:13:53 PM
and this from a different Camaro in Venezuela:

Tony Huntimer
RaceHome.com
36  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Venezuela's Camaros.... on: March 20, 2009, 07:03:59 PM
I found this interesting Venezuelan document:


Tony Huntimer
RaceHome.com
37  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Venezuela's Camaros.... on: March 17, 2009, 10:37:28 AM
Hey Louis,

Do you have any other original documentation on your car?  It's really too bad you don't have a way to post photos.  If you have any digital photos you could E-mail them to me and I can post them for you.  thunt@racehome.com

Are there many other 69 Camaros in Venezuela?

Take care,
Tony Huntimer
38  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Trim Plate or Trim Tag or Cowl Tag? VIN Plate or VIN Tag? on: March 16, 2009, 09:04:16 PM
We've had those discussions among ourselves when we created the pages for the website.

I find that I use cowl tag and trim tag interchangeably. I tend to favor cowl tag and that what is used mostly on the site.
Remember that most of an assembly plant never looked at the cowl tag. The broadcast sheets / UOIT's told the people more info and more clearly. So it's not a term that was used in the plant much.

Thanks Kurt!  I'm just trying to create a correct restoration "standard".

Tony Huntimer
39  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Trim Plate or Trim Tag or Cowl Tag? VIN Plate or VIN Tag? on: March 16, 2009, 09:02:07 PM
Tony,

As a journalist you should use proper reference to arrive at an answer you can be confident with. In this particular case I woud consider General Motors to be the best reference for this question as they manufactured these cars and thus were responsible for naming the parts. This is otherwise known as nomenclature.(name of the parts)

The correct name for the COWL TAG or TRIM TAG is actually called a "body number plate." The VIN is just called a Vehicle Identification Number without any other word attached to it. I don't see where it would be inappropriate to use the word "plate" following "VIN" as it is a plate. I also think, in my opinion, that when you are writing for general public consumption it is probably better to use the "street terms" so that the reader understands what exactly you are referring to. If you are writing to a group of engineers I would use only the correct technical terms.

Although in our vernacular we may use other names and terms for parts that are considered acceptable this is commonly known as jargon or lingo. I don't know of another area that has more mis-nomers, jargon, lingo and synonyms than the automotive field. Some of the terms we use daily in this business are actually not even accurate to the role of the part. I think the Alternator is one of the most ridiculous. It is actually an AC Generator but Chrysler in the early 1960s coined this name as a marketing tool to introduce their new more powerful Generator. Somehow the name just stuck and we are still using it today. The ignition coil is another one. It's a step up transformer but Henry Ford's model T had a coil that resembled Tesla's coil and it remains firmly in place.

As a former technical editor for automotive publications and instructor for GM I was downright floored at some of the writings I came across. I used to tell my students that the old axiom still holds true: Paper does not refuse ink. I'm impressed that you are seeking this information and want to get it right. That is a real change in the periodical business. They are usually the worst offenders.

I'm going to look for a copy of this magazine and check it out. Will  you be writing there soon?


Hey JR,

Thanks for the reply. I'm going to do my best to get all my terms correct or at least try to promote the best accepted terms used by historians and professionals in the field I'm writing about.

I enjoyed your comments on the alternator and the coil. I like other terms like vacuum advance...where it's more of a vacuum retard.  Here's another good one "motor" that is actually electric, but is now additionally defined as an "engine", which is powered by fuel.

Anyway, I write for Camaro Performers Magazine with is 9 issues per year on the newsstands and my Camaro book will be out in about 12 months.

Take care,
Tony Huntimer
40  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Does anybody know when the hidden VIN's were stamped? on: March 16, 2009, 06:53:36 PM
the guys sure stamped my firewall light, I almost missed it when documenting numbers. - that and it was also upside down
You wouldn't happen to have a photo of the stamping device would you?  Smiley

Tony Huntimer
41  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Trim Plate or Trim Tag or Cowl Tag? VIN Plate or VIN Tag? on: March 10, 2009, 06:31:30 PM
I'm sure that nobody here knows that I write for Camaro Performers Magazine...
I want to make sure I'm writing the correct information.

I'm going to take your help to mean that Jason Scott calling the "Cowl Tag" (according to Camaros.Org) a "Trim Plate" in his Camaro Restoration Guide, is wrong?  Or just different?  Which way would be "correct"?

Both Jason Scott and Camaros.Org call the VIN Plate a VIN Plate...so I'll assume that's the "standard".

Any input?
Thanks,
Tony Huntimer
Camaro Performers Magazine
RaceHome.com
42  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: HELP!!!! I can't decode this cowl tag????? on: March 10, 2009, 03:12:18 PM
bought it for parts only,just trying to fine out what it was in it pass life,has good parts
Is that even a Camaro Cowl tag?  If so, that's very strange and could be a very rare find.  I wonder if it came off the body you have.

Tony Huntimer
RaceHome.com
43  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Venezuela's Camaros.... on: March 10, 2009, 02:16:40 PM
Thanks Paul.  There was some great information there.

Does anyone have pictures of any of the VIN plates or Cowl tags from the Camaros built in other countries?  ...besides the Yutivo tag posted on that page?


Thanks,
Tony Huntimer
RaceHome.com
44  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Trim Plate or Trim Tag or Cowl Tag? VIN Plate or VIN Tag? on: March 10, 2009, 02:04:11 PM
Hey guys,

I see these terms different all over the place.  What is the correct terminology?  Is there a correct way?

Trim Tag or Trim Plate or Cowl Tag?
VIN Tag or VIN Plate?

Thanks,
Tony Huntimer
RaceHome.com
45  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Does anybody know when the hidden VIN's were stamped? on: March 10, 2009, 01:57:06 PM
http://www.racehome.com/camaro-book/mis-stamp.jpg
This Camaro has a #9 on the end of the hidden vin under the heater box and the VIN plate.  My only thought is that the person in charge of the VIN stamping machine didn't change the last number since the 2 cars before, which ended in #7.  If it was a stamping machine that was supposed to change the stamp on each car, then the machine got stuck.  I wonder how many OTHER cars after this one went through with the wrong stamp and had to be restamped by hand.

You can see that a person had to use a #9 stamp (probably a hand stamp driven by a hand held hammer) to stamp over the top of the inccorect #7 and then stamped about a half inch above the #7 too.  You can see that the #9 stamp was hammered pretty hard and there wasn't a dolly placed underneath the cowl when it was restamped, because the #9 stamp left a good sized dent under it.

Does anyone have an idea of the type of machine they used to regularly stamp the numbers?  I'm guessing it had some sort of back-up "dolly" of some sort that allowed the stamps to be deep without distorting the cowl like the physical re-stamp did.

According to the Trim Tag, the car was 06D (4th week of June), which according to the real professionals here just means that was when the Trim Tag was stamped, not when the car was built.  Smiley

Thanks guys,
Tony Huntimer
RaceHome.com
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