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976  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original Hurst Shifter or Not on: October 20, 2013, 04:55:49 PM
I'm confident as well Steve, after doing some research this morning.. Smiley   It would be *nice* to know the entire format, but I am confident that the first 2 (or 3) digits specify mo/yr...
977  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original Hurst Shifter or Not on: October 20, 2013, 11:08:18 AM
Continuing the search....  
...  a long thread on 'Nasty Z28' from 2009, which also supports that Hurst's ID codes contained date information:

http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-157641.html

After all this, I'm convinced that the Hurst ID/SN codes Did contain date information.. All we need to totally document this is written documentation (or ?) from Hurst during that period...
978  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original Hurst Shifter or Not on: October 20, 2013, 10:48:06 AM
'continuing the search'...   69Znut, on Team Camaro on April 11, 2008, had a very involved posting on Hurst shifters..

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=54774

which will enlighten most of us to some extent if you haven't read it before, and in that posting, he states
"A serial number on the far right of the words HURST Competition Plus was used to perform factory warranty repairs for GM, Pontiac, America Motors (Javelin & AMX) and early 1970 Mustang & Torino’s all used this 3138 housing box. The serial number has no meaning today and is NOT a date code. "

BUT.. his statement that the SN is not a date code, does NOT mean that the initial digits do not imply month and year of production, as that information IS sometimes embedded into manufacturer's serial numbers, and thus far with the examples we've checked this has proven to be true..
979  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original Hurst Shifter or Not on: October 20, 2013, 10:34:26 AM
In searching for 'date coded GM Hurst shifters', I found the following reference from 3/24/05 on the Supercar Registry:  (from hotrodpaul...
"I need help with the datecode on my 69 Camaro SS 396 Hurst Shifter. It looks to be original with the 3138 number stamped on the side, rubber molded inserts where the rods attach, Chrome round shift handle, etc. The date code reads "39D12K" and the car was assembled in late April. I assume the 9 means 1969, D is April, and 12 is the 12th day, but what does the "3" and "K" mean? I can post pics if needed."

Using the decode schema provided by PaceMe (Steve S) ie. "MmYxxxxx", hotrodPaul's codes translate to:  March, 69..   which is again consistent with the build date of the car (April car, March shifter).

So far, the examples that have been posted are consistent with his schema....
980  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original Hurst Shifter or Not on: October 20, 2013, 10:26:48 AM
If enough people with original cars/shifters can check/post the code from their shifter as well as their car's build date, maybe we can make some sense of this...  empirically  even if it isn't documented somewhere...?
981  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original Hurst Shifter or Not on: October 19, 2013, 10:26:51 PM
I just checked my shifter from my 09C Z28, and found the numbers "890731C", so the '8' the month (August), and '9' the year  matches up with my Sept produced car.   I've never known that Hurst shifters were dated.  I knew mine was the original one, but didn't know this particular date code schema..

Gary
982  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original Hurst Shifter or Not on: October 18, 2013, 11:36:09 PM
Steve,

Is it the code there at the bottom of this extracted image that decodes to Dec '68?   Can you explain that, as I didn't know there was a date code for these shifters..
983  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: I am the only one that ordered the wrong shirt! on: October 18, 2013, 03:44:44 PM
Set up costs are a pretty penny...   for a one-off shirt...  Smiley
984  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Question about Plants & States on: October 18, 2013, 02:31:40 PM
I think he's referring to Fisher body (who painted the firewall back), vs the Norwood assembly folks, or chassis (who painted the front clip).. Smiley
985  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: I am the only one that ordered the wrong shirt! on: October 18, 2013, 02:29:37 PM
*L*.    we have to buy more for the RS cars..  so it's you that has more money (left over).  Smiley
(I thought you ordered 2 shirts anyway)_  *G*
986  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: I am the only one that ordered the wrong shirt! on: October 18, 2013, 01:33:15 PM
Oh, just change your 2nd shirt order to a 'front / back'..  *G* and you'll have one of each.. Smiley
The one with the 'back printing' for car shows, and the one with pocket print only for club meetings..
987  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Question about Plants & States on: October 18, 2013, 01:30:28 PM
I would bet they were sent where ever they were needed. I have a 68z from LOS & a 69ss from Norwood. Both were sold new at Orielly Chevrolet in Tucson Az....Joe

...  and ALL of the late year Camaros (August -Nov '69) were built in Norwood....  what is the build date of your '69SS?
988  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Question about Plants & States on: October 18, 2013, 10:09:04 AM
As several knowledgable people have said before, scheduling of the cars depended on availability of the parts necessary for building it, and it is logical to assume that one plant might have a specific part available when the other might not.   They also gave priority to *sold* customer cars, as opposed to dealer orders for inventory.   All things being equal, I'd suspect they built the cars in the nearest plant to the "need"... but all things are not always *equal*..  Smiley
989  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Cowl hood flapper valve on: October 18, 2013, 12:17:48 AM
Try this....

Free downloads are here and as of today they open fine:
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1707817#post1707817
990  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1969 California trim tag code mo 44 ? on: October 17, 2013, 10:27:46 PM
Rick, of course this is just me thinking this all out in my head and I could be wrong. I'm sure if others are reading this they are calculating too. Seems to me the VN plant can be figured out to the day but the NOR plant is a bit more difficult to pin it down.

I'm not so sure about this, as I understand it, Norwood produced Camaros on a regular production schedule, whereas VN produced other cars, and produced Camaros on a much lower rate.. so was their production *spurty* or regular on a very low rate?  I'd rather extimate Norwood production based on VIN than try to estimate VN date..  Smiley
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