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976  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: trim ring fit to rim on: January 31, 2014, 04:54:57 PM
I have a Camaro Master Parts Catalog No. 691A dated July 1969.  #3901708 shows as.......1969/ALL WITH 15 IN WHEEL.  There is no mention of #9796696 at all.

My old "Brownie" P&A 34 (revision number 2) with an effective date of 10-1-68 and a revised date of 2-15-69 list 3901708 as...

68 CAMARO w/ 15" wheel,
69 CAMARO  (exc. Disc Brk) . . . . . 3901708       9.55       RING ASSY., wheel trim  (16-5/8" O.D.)  (15 x 6JK) . . . . . . . 4


I have a Camaro Master Parts Catalog No. 691A dated July 1969.  #3901708 shows as.......1969/ALL WITH 15 IN WHEEL.  There is no mention of #9796696 at all.

My old "Brownie" P&A 34 (revision number 2) with an effective date of 10-1-68 and a revised date of 2-15-69 list 3901708 as...

68 CAMARO w/ 15" wheel,
69 CAMARO  (exc. Disc Brk) . . . . . 3901708       9.55       RING ASSY., wheel trim  (16-5/8" O.D.)  (15 x 6JK) . . . . . . . 4


and ??

67-69 CAMARO (302) (15" wheel w/ disc brake) . . . . . 3901704       9.55       RING ASSY., wheel trim . . . . . . . 4

I'm rapidly losing confidence in these GM/Chevy parts catalogs...  Sad   
the one I previously referenced in post #42 of this thread, lists the 3901704 as being for a '6" wheel and only 1-34" wide....
977  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z/28 Barn Find?? on: January 31, 2014, 04:17:42 PM
I assume you really meant 'notating it's deficiencies' rather than 'picking it apart'??  Smiley
  I had to chuckle at this.....At work we are having a restructure and layoffs as a result. The people making the decisions are of the younger crowd so loyalty to the company no longer matters and has been replaced by increasing profits to the share holders regardless. Anyhow...they no longer say people were terminated, let go, fired etc..... The new word is "they have transitioned from the company". I guess this sounds less harsher and more PC today.  Wink
Mike

'transitioned'..  ugh...  the ones that should 'transition' are the ones coining these terms and making these decisions...
Yeah, it sucks ...  I'm sure the 'doublespeak' that is common today results from 'conditioned learning'  as taught by our federal government 'leaders' (the worst doublespeak term of all)..   The older I get the less patience I have with all that crap.. Sad
978  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Original 67 327 ? on: January 31, 2014, 03:58:08 PM
What are you chasing?? .. ie.. What is your goal?
979  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: trim ring fit to rim on: January 31, 2014, 03:53:19 PM
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Gary, Is the P&A book you have a GM Master Parts catalogue just for Camaro? The Chevelle #39 JPG page is from a April/76  Chevelle GM Master parts Book. Dont know why 2 books would/could? be wrong?

Corvette also used the same 4 clip trim ring in 1967, later issue Corvette Parts Book 14A dated Jan/1981 shows # 9796696 as the part number but I know I have a much earlier issue parts book at home, will check it tonite and repost. Guy I work/restore cars for has 1 of the lowest mile 67 Corvette 427/435HP know to exist, 6,000 miles, it was in the Corvette Bowling Green Museum and has documentation from NCRS, Bloomington Gold Special Collection as well as Zora Duntov as the Best Unmolested example known to Exist, it has the 4 clip trim rings, which are supposed to be the same as 1969 Z28, they are identical to the ones on my car, valve stem holes /clips etc.
Those repo trim rings are a different colour than originals, I think John Z posted before that the GM trim rings were flash chromed

I agree I don't even consider the reproduction/replacement aftermarket wheel covers... Smiley
Unless I'm confused, the '67 Corvette rallye was 6" wide, and the '68 Corvette Rallye was 7" wide (they went to 8" wide in '69).

The Parts Catalog I have which is most current to the '69 Z28 is shown in the cover page photo; this is a 4"-5" thick catalog double sides on thin paper.  (covers all relevant models - for purposes of our discussion - except Corvette).
980  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: trim ring fit to rim on: January 31, 2014, 03:43:16 PM
I have a Camaro Master Parts Catalog No. 691A dated July 1969.  #3901708 shows as.......1969/ALL WITH 15 IN WHEEL.  There is no mention of #9796696 at all.

Can you confirm that's the same part shown in that catalog for the '68 Corvette rallye wheel (which was 7" wide)?   I believe the '67 Corvette had the same width rallye wheels as the '68 Z28 (ie. 6" wide)?   I believe there was a small difference in offset between the Corvette and Camaro wheels of the same width/dia...
981  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z/28 Barn Find?? on: January 31, 2014, 01:29:18 PM
I assume you really meant 'notating it's deficiencies' rather than 'picking it apart'??  Smiley
982  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: How long are you guys running your radials tires on: January 31, 2014, 01:27:40 PM
I forgot to mention earlier, the Remington XT-120 radials that have been on my '69 Z28 since around 1980.  The car has not been driven in that time, has been rolled in and our of the garage a few times to wash the dust off, but these tires still *look good*, and have never lost any significant amounts of air.

The ONLY tires I've ever had issues with were 1) the Firestone Wide Ovals which came on my wife's '70 Mach I (which wore out and looked ugly within 10,000 miles on the new car), and 2) in the early 1980's I bought 3 sets of a new 'Sears Radial 70, RWL tires all at one time;  they 'looked good', and were very price competitive, and I put them on all 3 cars that we regularly drove.   All three sets 'blew up' within a year or two... knots would pop out of the sidewalls, etc.. WORST tires ever, and Sears quit selling them very quickly.. Smiley ..  and I haven't bought tires from Sears since.
983  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: trim ring fit to rim on: January 31, 2014, 01:10:38 PM
It's confusing to me WHY that part number (# 3901708 shows up in a '74 catalog), when it doesn't appear in the Oct 1, 1970 P&A that I have??   Ask your girlfriend (wife now?.. Smiley   if errors in those printed catalogs were common??  I sure wish someone had a 1969 dated parts manual, as that might clear up some of the questions we have re PNs..

It's also interesting to me that Jims69 posted that he bought 4 from GM in mid seventies that had the four inner serrated 'teeth' type of retainers.  I've never liked or used that type, and didn't really know that GM mfg'd them....?   Those are the type that are reproduced in the inexpensive trim rings by companies like Wheel Vintiques.
984  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: How long are you guys running your radials tires on: January 31, 2014, 09:10:39 AM
I am am with sdkar on this one. I have had my share of cars pass through my hands: just had a 65 mustang that I purchased (& sold) with radial tires from the early 70's, I drove it everywhere no issues. I just purchased a 65 fastback from my uncle he put goodyear eagle st on it over ten years ago (probably over 15) tires have plenty of tread I checked the air, and then drove it 800 miles, no issues. I have 60's motorcycles with the original tires still on them, and look like they were bought yesterday with the knobbies still there, again I have been on the freeway with them,  no issues. With tires, it is all about how they have been stored. Any checking or cracking, i have tossed the tires no problem, but I have learned through experience if you treat tires right they will last a long long time. It is of course owner beware, but why buy new tires every 5 years if they are in good condition? One other thing I am around other gear heads and friends and have never heard a "tire horror story" about a guy driving on older tires that looked fine and all of a sudden they blew out or came off the rim or whatever.

So take it with a grain of salt. Do what makes you comfortable  Wink

There are really two major causes of tire failures (besides wear), and those are UV light which breaks down the rubber and heat.  I've found that tires really don't generate much heat if the pressure is kept to the high side, even at highway speeds, and I store my cars in my basement garage which has no windows and the temperature remains very stable.  I have Michelin Radial X tires for my '57 Chevy BelAir that I bought around 1980, and another set of Michelin Radial EPX? on my '69 Corvette that I purchased in 1988.  Each of those cars (and tires) have less than 5K miles on them, and are stored in my underground garages.  They show no sidewall issues or cracks, have deep tread and still have the 'titties' on them.  (Some people call those knobbies I suppose?).. Smiley

I really dislike having to agree with a fella who dislikes 'power Orange' cars, but in this case I have to.  I follow the same practices as Bullitt described above... Smiley   and I agree with his approach.
985  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Original 67 327 ? on: January 31, 2014, 09:00:29 AM
For cars/engines in years that did not get the engine VIN stamp, it's much easier to find a GM original engine that is 'A' correct engine for your car.  Even though it's not 'THE' born-with engine, without the VIN, it's impossible to prove that the engine didn't get installed in that car (assuming the date is within an allowable range, and all the associated parts/work match up correctly.  In such a case, there is no reason to modify any of the markings on the engine to be 'correct' for judging.
986  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: trim ring fit to rim on: January 31, 2014, 08:49:40 AM
Following up rszmjt posting from a few days ago:   I meant to check my P&A and post this sooner, but I'm doing it now.   I have a full Chevrolet Parts and Accessories Catalog, P&A 30A, effective date Oct 1, 1970.   It took me awhile to find the wheels/wheelcover (in section 5, for Brakes - Rear Axle, and Drive.   Page 5-49 addresses the relevant trim rings for which I've scanned and included below in Photo 1.  Note that this P&A was effective right at the beginning of the '71 model year, and end of the 1970 model year. and was less than a year from the end of '69 Camaro production.
Notice the appropriate PN at this point in time was the 9796696 which was for the 15x7 JK rallye wheel and was 2-3/8" wide.   The 9796698 wheel trim was the 'serrated' or 'finger' style.   This can be confirmed from the following ebay links where there are 4 of them for sale currently (NOS) in the boxes.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/nos-15-inch-chevy-trim-rings-/221361583949?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item338a2db74d&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-69-Z28-GM-NOS-Trim-Rings-15-x-7-9796696-/121237108689?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c3a4b77d1&vxp=mtr

These are the same PN and have the finger style retention.

J.McNeish said every original Z28 he's viewed in the last 20 yrs or so had the 4-clip style.  I can say that every original Z28 I've viewed since they were new had the 4-clip style.  These 4-clip styles became unavailable (new from Chevy) shortly after the introduction of the '70 Monte Carlo.   If someone with a '69 Z28 wanted to replace their dented and scratched trims with new, they got the new style (with fingers).
Note:  I was a young airman in the USAF during the '68-72 period, and hung with a bunch of other young airmen who were hotrodders and street racers.  Several owned '68 and '69 and '70 Z28 and (a few owned Bosses, Hemi Challengers, etc).  We all spent every penny of our paychecks (a bit over $100/mo) on CARS..  Smiley   Factory rallyes and road wheels were the 'style' then, as not many could afford 'mag' wheels (that was the term then for aftermarket magnesium or aluminum wheels).. Smiley

My belief is that the factory designed trim ring for the '69 Z28 during production was the '4-clip' original style.   I also believe that the 'finger style' was designed for the 1970 model year (typical introduction during late Aug/early Sept) of '69.   As with lots of other parts used on 'late '69 Camaros, I think it is very possible that as the 4-clip style was exhausted, Norwood easily began using the 'same look' finger style as designed/mfg'ed for 1970.   It's also possible that there was a 3-4 month period (Fall '69) when both styles were in use in Norwood Camaro production.

Does anyone in the group have a P&A catalog dated within the '69 Camaro production period?


Gary, I dont think the 4 clip trim ring was discontinued until approx 1974 and the finger style was introduced in 1975 as my 1974 dated GM parts book lists the # 3901708 trim ring and the 1975 lists # 9796696.  When I purchased my car in 1974 I bought 4 New trim rings for it from GM and got the 4 clip style, they have been on the car ever since.

The # 9796696 trim rings in both the Ebay auctions (as well as the 4 NOS # 9796696 I have,) have squared off elongated Valve stem holes and the 4 clip style have a different oval type valve stem hole. I have a GM dealer Ordering Manual from 1969 which has all the option codes as well as fabric swatches and paint chips and it is hard to make out the valve stem holes in the Z28 section, but they dont look like the squared off style. I also looked at 2 road tests in Hot Rod and another publication from 1969 and could not make them out.
Does any one have any pictures from a 1969 Road test or dealer brochure or Day 1 pictures that shows the stem holes in the rings?

The Oct'70 full P&A I was referencing does not show the # 3901708 part at all, although it lists a 3901704 for a 15x6 DJ wheel, but that one is shown as only 1-3/4" wide.   Can you provide that scanned page from your '74 parts book?

I probably have some '69/70 car magazines that cover the '69 Z28, but I'd have to go back and spend a few hours to find them.. as I have thousands going back to about '66 or so (some grouped by name and year, and others not)..  Would anyone like to come to Alabama to pick up these magazines?  Smiley
987  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Upcoming shows and swap meets in Nashville? on: January 31, 2014, 08:40:29 AM
Darrell,

I'm going to TRY to come up again, and be there as early as possible (but not 6:30), since I have a 2 hr drive.. Smiley
(The weather isn't looking so great right now... but how many other locales could even be discussing an outdoor swap meet this time of year?) *G*

Gary
988  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: trim ring fit to rim on: January 30, 2014, 10:31:35 PM
Following up rszmjt posting from a few days ago:   I meant to check my P&A and post this sooner, but I'm doing it now.   I have a full Chevrolet Parts and Accessories Catalog, P&A 30A, effective date Oct 1, 1970.   It took me awhile to find the wheels/wheelcover (in section 5, for Brakes - Rear Axle, and Drive.   Page 5-49 addresses the relevant trim rings for which I've scanned and included below in Photo 1.  Note that this P&A was effective right at the beginning of the '71 model year, and end of the 1970 model year. and was less than a year from the end of '69 Camaro production.
Notice the appropriate PN at this point in time was the 9796696 which was for the 15x7 JK rallye wheel and was 2-3/8" wide.   The 9796698 wheel trim was the 'serrated' or 'finger' style.   This can be confirmed from the following ebay links where there are 4 of them for sale currently (NOS) in the boxes.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/nos-15-inch-chevy-trim-rings-/221361583949?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item338a2db74d&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-69-Z28-GM-NOS-Trim-Rings-15-x-7-9796696-/121237108689?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c3a4b77d1&vxp=mtr

These are the same PN and have the finger style retention.

J.McNeish said every original Z28 he's viewed in the last 20 yrs or so had the 4-clip style.  I can say that every original Z28 I've viewed since they were new had the 4-clip style.  These 4-clip styles became unavailable (new from Chevy) shortly after the introduction of the '70 Monte Carlo.   If someone with a '69 Z28 wanted to replace their dented and scratched trims with new, they got the new style (with fingers).
Note:  I was a young airman in the USAF during the '68-72 period, and hung with a bunch of other young airmen who were hotrodders and street racers.  Several owned '68 and '69 and '70 Z28 and (a few owned Bosses, Hemi Challengers, etc).  We all spent every penny of our paychecks (a bit over $100/mo) on CARS..  Smiley   Factory rallyes and road wheels were the 'style' then, as not many could afford 'mag' wheels (that was the term then for aftermarket magnesium or aluminum wheels).. Smiley

My belief is that the factory designed trim ring for the '69 Z28 during production was the '4-clip' original style.   I also believe that the 'finger style' was designed for the 1970 model year (typical introduction during late Aug/early Sept) of '69.   As with lots of other parts used on 'late '69 Camaros, I think it is very possible that as the 4-clip style was exhausted, Norwood easily began using the 'same look' finger style as designed/mfg'ed for 1970.   It's also possible that there was a 3-4 month period (Fall '69) when both styles were in use in Norwood Camaro production.

Does anyone in the group have a P&A catalog dated within the '69 Camaro production period?
989  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: So you think you have a Dana, Nickey,Berger Baldwin, etc...? on: January 30, 2014, 03:56:57 PM
it WAS the car's birthday...  Smiley..   The few days in production was the 'incubation' period.. Smiley

So Gary, when in this process would you consider is the point of conception?   Grin

Paul

For me..  the *closest* to that feeling I can imagine.. is the time when you're sitting in the New Car Sales Manager's office, listing out the options and colors I want (Hugger Orange of course)..  and listening to the sales manager tell me..  it will likely be in within 2 or 3 weeks.. Smiley ...  we'll call you!  Smiley
990  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 Hurst Shifter Rods BB on: January 30, 2014, 03:26:01 PM
I don't *KNOW* for certain what they were off of (since I bought them at a swap meet believing it to be a '69 Camaro shifter and rods), but I alsocompared them one by one to my original '69 Z28 rods, and they seemed to be identical... and the Jan '69 date on the shifter sorta says the same thing doesn't it.. Smiley
PS>  Actually I think any '69 Camaro SS with WB and 4 speed would have that shifter and rods.
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