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976  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: If Anyone is Interested in a 67 Pace Car on: January 10, 2014, 08:13:33 AM
IMO... Camaros, and other such cars from the sixties, and even the mid-fifties Chevys etc, will always be in demand, as long as we can still obtain the necessary items (fuel? laws?) etc.. to drive them.  I've always been a bit worried by having so many old cars that are reliant on proper fuel to drive; in fact, I parked my Camaro in 1980 because of insufficient octane fuel to run my 12:1 engine...
PS>  The fifties and sixties, into the early 70's, were the 'golden age' as far as automobile design was concerned... Smiley..     I suppose I should rewrite that to 'modern or common golden age', given the beauty of some of the Art Deco 30's designs.. Smiley
977  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: If Anyone is Interested in a 67 Pace Car on: January 09, 2014, 11:13:50 PM
These are not the cars the "younger crowd" grew up with so they don't have the want or need for them the way we did, or do.  I'm 55, and my high school car was a 68 Camaro, it was only 6 years old when i got it (from a bone yard) and theres been a Camaro of one kind or the other in the yard or driveway since then.  People tend to stick with the cars of their youth when they are having that mid life crisis or just want to relive the old times and these cars are getting further away from the people who have the spare cash laying around to buy them.  Thats not going to change.

That's true..  but my daughters, sons in law, and even young grandkids.. when asked which of my cars they want ..  always pick the Camaro..  Smiley    Maybe it's the Hugger Orange that draws them?   (*Of course, they are *assuming* they would inherit it, not pay for it.. )   Smiley     and that goes back to the cost issue as pointed out by sixt9x33rs...  Even my 9 yr old granddaughter likes it, wants it, and always wants to help work on it..  Smiley
978  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Trim tag. What say you on: January 09, 2014, 11:07:50 PM
They must have made some other changes to their plates when they added X codes then...  that plate is different in several respects from my late Norwood data plate.

....  OR that one is a repro...
979  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Ziebart... How to remove it? on: January 09, 2014, 08:50:54 PM
Why would someone Ziebart a fiberglass car? ....
The frame is metal as is the suspension pieces, .. everything underneath got a heavy dose.. including the differential and transmission, etc...   I'd never undercoat a car after it was driven, and they did this when it was 10 yrs old... and the metal appears to have been in great condition at the time.
980  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Ziebart... How to remove it? on: January 09, 2014, 03:28:21 PM
If that '71 LS6 were my car, I'd never have had it done, and if I bought it later, I'd be spending my spare time cleaning it off.   

I was trying to determine if I should recommend to the owner that he get it cleaned off (I doubt he's the sort of person to do it himself).  I think it's a detriment to any future sale, and to having the car judged at a high level. Otherwise, beyond the Ziebart and the minor mods, the car is very well preserved, but not *clean*..  cleaning most of it is not difficult, but the Ziebart is another matter.   The interior (if it were detailed) is probably a 2+, and the original paint could be a 1 or 1- with some detailing.
981  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Canadian Emissions / Smog on: January 09, 2014, 02:31:55 PM
big block auto, original exhaust manifolds had plugs where the tubes would have been

I would suspect  that the exhaust manifolds were installed much later; perhaps after having had the originals discarded for headers earlier?   Or were big block cars with automatics delivered wtih plugged exhaust manifolds?
982  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Canadian Emissions / Smog on: January 09, 2014, 01:23:55 PM
Was wondering if any Canadian members might be able to help with a question.  Spoke to the original owner of my car and was told that it was sold from the dealer without the smog set-up. The first owner did not take the smog off the car.  Does anyone else know if Canadian dealers might have taken the smog system off cars when sold ?  thanks
Is your car automatic or manual trans?
983  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Undercoating on inside of quarter panel ??? on: January 09, 2014, 12:31:39 PM
Here's the original undercoating on the inside of the rear quarters in the trunk of my 02D '69 Z/28 - pretty sloppy, doesn't appear that any kind of mask or pattern was used. None of it has flaked or shows any sign of failure under the spatter paint after 45 years.

I agree John... where it appeared from viewing my car that a 'mask' was used , was inside the front inner wheel wells.
984  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Ziebart... How to remove it? on: January 09, 2014, 12:28:43 PM
Yep, I know how much difficult it is... and this car is still 'whole and assembled' which makes it even worse.  

This car doesn't belong to me, but it's potentially a very valuable car (only 188 LS-6 Corvettes built).  A '71 LS-6 is a 454 engine with aluminum heads, aluminum (low rise) intake, and big Holley carb (rated 425 hp in '71).  This is as close to an L88 Corvette you could buy post-1969 model year.  I think for the owner to maximize the value (should he ever sell it), he needs to get it judged at Bloomington, or at a major NCRS show.. (the mods are wheels, valve covers, front spoiler).. mostly minor items.  The big items are all there..  The car needs a good careful cleaning, and then there's that Ziebart..  Sad  
985  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 SS RS Convertible on ebay on: January 09, 2014, 09:58:37 AM
What I find humorous:
- Restored to near perfection
And then states
- kept in beautiful and orginial condition its whole life
Well which is it..  lol

I agree..   the seller was in a quandary..  what to write?  So he decided to cover all the bases?  Smiley
but I loved the color combination and options on the car....
986  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Ziebart... How to remove it? on: January 09, 2014, 09:56:55 AM
Why remove it? It would take a lot of time & effort to remove and personally I don't think it affect the value very much.
However, it can be removed with mineral spirits; just spray or brush it on and let it soak in to soften the coating, then scrape and re-apply as needed.
I've removed old undercoating using that technique...  so this is similar...?
987  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Ziebart... How to remove it? on: January 09, 2014, 09:05:00 AM
I'm from the south, and don't very often see a Zeibarted cars, but last week I traveled to a state a bit north of here to evaluate/assess an LS-6 '71 Corvette.   Turned out to be a real LS6 car, one owner, PTP, lalways-garaged, 32K miles.. but with a few minor mods, needing a good cleaning, but the worst thing (IMO) was the Ziebarted underside.     This was a solid car that had it applied after 10 years or so (1980?), but the metal was very good... just this black crap all over everything... Sad

I've never tried to remove anything like this, but is it feasible to do?  How much do you think this affects value of such a car?
988  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: just bought a 67 RS/SS350 survivor on: January 09, 2014, 08:55:16 AM
Sounds like a great find, and beautiful (and rare) color combo...  The black lends itself very nicely to a single stage urethane paint.. which can be cut and polished to appear much like a high-end lacquer paint job, but much more durable. 

Sorry I can't help with SLC painter recommendations...
989  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: If Anyone is Interested in a 67 Pace Car on: January 09, 2014, 08:51:39 AM
What a deal?

Maybe it's owned by a 'country music star'??  Smiley    adds 2X value you know.. Smiley
Alan Jackson is a possibility, as he owns many nice classic cars.. used to bring them to our car shows.
990  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 1967 Trans-Am season review on: January 08, 2014, 09:07:32 PM
Thanks Bob.. Smiley

I bet I couldn't handle one of those cans today, certainly not the way I could 35-40 yrs ago.. Smiley   
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