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61  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Are these Chambered Pipes for Camaro or Chevelle or ?? on: November 14, 2014, 03:11:07 PM
They are not like the Camaro pipes.....   
62  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Lost 1969 DZ on: November 14, 2014, 01:47:52 PM


My friend without a VIN or known engine stamp, I am unsure how you would even be able to recognize the car now.
 I would say your looking for a needle in a haystack, but its more like a needle in haystack full of needles. There are so many cars without there original motors in them now, the guy that ended up with your car may have realized it was a JL8 car and re-stamped a block to look correct by now, or at least a correctly dated replacement. I would go back and look for some old registration, and then do a state to state VIN look up to locate where it might be registered. Good luck!

If it was stolen, then either the car was parted out and partially or totally, OR someone slapped a different VIN on the body to register it...  If it was registered in the VIN of the stolen car, surely even inept law enforcement would have discovered that way back when...?   To have any chance at all of finding either the engine or the body, he would need the original VINs of each.. and even then the possibility is very thin....
63  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z/28 X77 garage/barn find on: November 11, 2014, 08:40:53 AM
I am almost certain the originals were amber colored glass; I painted one of mine in the '70's when I couldn't find a correct amber colored one.
64  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Chevrolet dealer location on: November 10, 2014, 11:59:21 AM
You're looking for Zone 6 Dealer 114 (at the time your car was built).. correct?  1969?   If your delivering dealer still has the same ownership/location/name, AND if the Parts Distribution Warehouse location has not changed since 1969, then that Zone/Dealer would still exist and be current...  but.. like most companies, GM changes it's structure and makeup periodically.

Note:  Zone numbers changed when the supplying GM Parts Distribution Warehouse location changed for the region (and I suspect the region boundaries changed as well when that happened.   The dealership that delivered my car, had it's 'Zone #' changed 3 times since 1969, as the Parts Distribution Warehouse location was changed from Birmingham (Zone 31), to Atlanta, then to Dallas, and lastly to Jackson MS (if I recall correctly).  The zone number changed from 31 to 12 to 8 (again if I recall the zone numbers correctly).
65  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: The Vince Piggins Camaro on: November 10, 2014, 10:16:49 AM
I work with a older friend that back in 1970 went to the dodge dealer to get a 383 or 440 challenger but ended up walking out with a 340 T/A, they were hugely discounting it because nobody wanted the 340 including himself.
But after basically offering to sell it for cost to him he could not pass the deal up. He said it was actually a super fast car and never regretted buying it and of course now regrets ever selling it.

I'd have much preferred a 340 (esp a six pak) over a 383 or 440...  but a friend of mine bought a new T/A in '70.. his car would just nip my '70 RR in the 1/4... but a few months later, he traded the 340 sixpak engine to another USAF bud for the Hemi in his '66 Satellite!   We spent a while changing out the K member and rebuilding the Hemi before it went into the Challenger TA body.. Smiley   I often wonder how long my friend (Boyd Cochran) kept that Challenger TA with the Hemi.. he was from the LA area of California, but that has to be a very unique TA.. Smiley
66  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: The Vince Piggins Camaro on: November 10, 2014, 09:04:40 AM
I was shopping for a '69SS396 Chevelle  (for several months) during the '69 model year, and although I wasn't shopping for a Camaro at the time, I don't recall seeing any/many Z28's sitting in showrooms, and I probably visited 6-8 different dealerships in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama over that period.  I'm guessing that either the Z28s were special ordered, or were purchased very quickly upon delivery to dealerships.  Two friends bought '69 Z28's for SCCA racing purposes; one special ordered his, the other bought one that the person ordering it decided not to purchase it on delivery.

PS.  Another thing the Z28 had going for it was the 290 hp rating; Most insurance companies charged a large premium for cars over 300 hp, esp to young drivers - and I suspect that was the primary reason that the Z28's, Boss302, AAR/TA Chrysler cars, etc had 290 hp ratings even though carguys knew the hp was actually much higher.
67  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Shipping Data Report vs Trim Tag on: November 05, 2014, 09:52:51 PM
Just guessing here..  Tell me how close I am?   Smiley
 VINs from ~ 658146 to ~ 658795 came off the line on 18 June 1969.       Does your VIN fall into that range?
68  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 67 VIN # on: November 05, 2014, 05:50:04 PM
6 cyl coupe when new....
69  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Shipping Data Report vs Trim Tag on: November 05, 2014, 10:40:29 AM
Gary,
That's not correct. Orders were placed sometimes months in advance.
The tag was made for the build, not for the order.

'Months in advance' may be true for larger volume orders, or for dealers orders leading into a new model year, but in cases of a 'customer order' (which receives higher priority for build scheduling), it is generally 2-4 weeks.   I 'special ordered' a handful of cars (Chevrolet and Chrysler) during the early 70's, and the fastest a car came in was 2-3 weeks, and the longest was around 4 weeks prior to the cars' build.   I know from my own engirneering/manufacturing background (not the automobile industry), that when an order was received, it was 'estimated' when the order could be filled (for feedback to the customer).   Since all the other information on the cowl tag (model/options/etc) is KNOWN, or generated (bdy nbr), at the time of order acceptance  I'm curious just exactly how long after order acceptance did it take Chevrolet to provide the information to Fisher and and when did Fisher 'fix' the data that would go on the cowl tag?   I'd think this would happen in a few days to a week at most.

The fact that some cars cowl tag date and actual build date differ significantly suggests that there was sufficient time between the "cowl tag data generation" (that could be well before the cowl tag actually being made) that temporary unforeseen parts shortages etc could affect the time difference.   If the cowl tag data (production week) was generated at the time the car was actually beginning the build, then we should not be seeing the significant difference in the dates as we do.  We've already been informed by JohnZ and others that once the body began the process, hardly nothing affected the build sequence, and the production rate was 'fixed'...
70  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Dare to be Different 'department'... :) on: November 04, 2014, 10:48:01 PM
http://www.engineswapdepot.com/?p=3174

Who wants to be the first to do a 24 cylinder first gen Camaro???   Oh..  I guess this should have been in the modified department.... Smiley
71  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Early 1968 Z/28 original tires? on: November 04, 2014, 05:48:42 PM
Typically, all five tires matched *unless a space saver option were selected*.  This was true even in cases where the spare tire was mounted on a 'regular' rim rather than a special rim if so ordered.   I'm speaking of the automotive industry in general during those days, as opposed to Chevrolet specifically in 1968...
72  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Shipping Data Report vs Trim Tag on: November 04, 2014, 03:36:07 PM
I still think there might be confusion in some of our minds about the 'week' on the trim tag.   

As I understand it, the 'production week' which ended up on the cowl tag is the  Projected week of production *at the time the order is placed*!    The complete cowl tag information was generated at the time of order (including the 'week of anticipated production').   

During the time between order (and generation of the cowl tag data) and production, sometimes *crap happened*..  typically affecting vehicles scheduled for production.   Schedule dates are shuffled to keep the production line flowing, which delays vehicles needing parts that might be in short supply, but also 'moves up' vehicles not affected by those shortages.  Thus actual production dates can be before or after the 'scheduled' week on the cowl tag.

If the above is correct as I believe, it is not a good technique to use the 'production week' from the trim tag to determine when your car was produced.   One should use the VIN and the actual production schedule to determine a *better date*.. in most cases we can figure the actual production date of your car within a day.
73  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Who's going to SEMA ? on: November 02, 2014, 09:28:20 PM
I guess I'm going to miss it, although that's something I'd love to attend one day.. 
74  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Shipping Data Report vs Trim Tag on: November 01, 2014, 10:40:17 PM
There are a multitude of reasons that would cause the actual production date of an individual car to be different (earlier or later) than it's scheduled production date.
75  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: October 30, 2014, 01:57:31 PM
The Chevrolet dealer, and probably any parts store for aftermarket ones.... and they may all be made by the same company (Dorman?)..
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