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46  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct engine paint suggestions please! on: January 08, 2015, 03:17:44 PM
It looks *orange*.. and heavy.. Smiley .. to me Darrel..  (nice color)...
47  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: More 69 Z/28 misrepresentation on ebay on: January 07, 2015, 11:12:54 PM
I would guess that for ever original Z28 engine that was removed from a car and 'transplanted' to another, at least NINE original motors were blown up by over revving.  I have a '70 LT1 engine that was built from a 4-bolt truck block (NOT restamped) but with the main internals (crank and rods), heads, intake, etc from a real LT1.  I call this a '70 LT1 engine even though it is not stamped as such.

Another way of saying the above is that most of the incorrect Z28's with 'original represented or appearing' engines are restamped.
48  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: More 69 Z/28 Ebay fraud on: January 05, 2015, 11:08:03 PM
...  And of course the upside down cowl seal, tsk.

That is one of my big 'irks' also, Kevin..   Seems half the cars I see at car shows (even the nationals) has their cowl seal upside down (and inside out).   TIP:   When you purchase a new/repro cowl seal, it seems it is turned inside out (and most just install it that way)..    If you will first unroll it (turn it opposite), the little sealing lip will lip around the metal plate on top of the air cleaner, and the rubber will turn 'OUT' as it's supposed to...  Smiley   I can't help myself from attempting to correct the owners when I see this..  some appreciate it, and some don't..  Smiley  and the latter ones I let go on in their ignorance...
I had the same issuses when i mounted my seal but i hope this is the right way?


Yours appears to be installed correctly the way it is now, Hugger..    Smiley
49  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: More 69 Z/28 Ebay fraud on: January 05, 2015, 12:12:04 PM
...  And of course the upside down cowl seal, tsk.

That is one of my big 'irks' also, Kevin..   Seems half the cars I see at car shows (even the nationals) has their cowl seal upside down (and inside out).   TIP:   When you purchase a new/repro cowl seal, it seems it is turned inside out (and most just install it that way)..    If you will first unroll it (turn it opposite), the little sealing lip will lip around the metal plate on top of the air cleaner, and the rubber will turn 'OUT' as it's supposed to...  Smiley   I can't help myself from attempting to correct the owners when I see this..  some appreciate it, and some don't..  Smiley  and the latter ones I let go on in their ignorance...
50  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Info for everybody,,,1969 Z28 for sale ? on: January 04, 2015, 11:12:00 PM
Not bad could be something if the numbers are verified. Looks to be originally frost green with a dark green interior. I am guessing that would dictate black stripes? Possibly a no spoiler car as well.

Those colors are nice....   Where's the fella who had the rusty car needing a body for his drivetrain???
51  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: More 69 Z/28 Ebay fraud on: January 04, 2015, 03:01:15 PM
I've no idea if the tag is fake or not, but if you are going to fake one..  why not a beautiful orange/black Z28.. Smiley
(no wonder everyone loves those colors...   I'm guessing that Bullitt is going to bid on this one).. Smiley
52  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Transmission Date Codes... on: January 04, 2015, 02:40:56 PM
Apparently (from the CRG info), ALL transmissions are date coded with the same code (except for the beginning letter which denotes the factory).. so this would imply the date logic comes from a higher GM source than only Muncie, or any other of those plants...
53  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Transmission Date Codes... on: January 03, 2015, 11:53:36 AM
Let me see if I can find any documentation on it.  I will post it if I can find it.


It's probably in an obscure old issue of Chevrolet Service News - that's where stuff like that was usually published.
John,
Since apparently the same date coding applies to transmissions produced by several different plants, the code requirement must have come from a higher level GM directive.  Do you have any idea why transmission date coding differs from the date coding used on most other parts, differing even from other major parts like engines and differentials??
54  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Willow Run plant about to see the wrecking ball...? on: January 03, 2015, 11:21:12 AM
My sister and her husband had a Citation X11 (red).. nice car (for the times).. When they needed a larger car, I considered buying it as a 'potential collector car' to keep, but I already had too many cars to *keep*.. Smiley.   I haven't seen one of those cars (or any Citations) in many years... they disappeared lots faster than first gen Camaros...
55  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Transmission Date Codes... on: January 02, 2015, 11:31:34 PM
Thanks Byron,

I suppose the question is really..  WHY do transmission date codes *differ* from all other components dating?  The same issues re 'similarity' to other characters exist whatever the part is....  It just doesn't make sense to me.. 
You said you 'know' what it is:  HOW is that date coding ascertained?  Does it come from GM documentation?
56  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Transmission Date Codes... on: January 02, 2015, 06:05:48 PM
From the CRG data, the date coding for '67-69 Transmissions follows the below code...

y  = model year (not calendar year)
   m  = month
        Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
        --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
         A    B    C     D    E    H    K   M     P   R     S    T    


What I don't understand, and I can't recall if I've ever heard the reason for..  is WHY did they skip the F, and G, and then the J  in the month codes?  I do understand why they didn't use the I for a month due to it's similarity to a '1'.. but why not F, G, and J (and a few other letters later in the alphabet)??
57  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Motor vin stamp vs. transmission vin stamp on: January 02, 2015, 04:51:10 PM
You're not the only one to ponder the WHY of that move JohnZ...  Smiley    One potential reason for that, as I ponder the possibilities, is as follows:

Supposedly the reason for the VIN stamping on the engine is for 'legal purposes'.. ie. association of the engine with a specific vehicle, theft deterrent, etc.  By 1969, many machine shops and owners were decking their blocks for increased compression, which in addition to 'removing the 'engine application stamping', would also remove the VIN (if it stamped on the deck surface.  As muscle car owners, street racers, etc..  Why should we care if those 'meaningless' stampings were removed~??    Smiley   

There is essentially zero chance that the VIN would be machined away (accidentally) if it placed down there on the cast surface.   In fact, I think it was several years before people realized that Chevrolet had moved the VIN stamping to the block rough cast surface.  I believe it was around 1979 before one of the car magazines published as part of a 'Camaro Decoded' sets of articles, that the VIN stamping on the engine was moved down to the side of the block.

The 'con side' of that logic is, as we all know, it's very difficult to legibly discern the VIN on that rough cast surface even when the engine is removed and cleaned/examined, etc, and practically impossible to read the VIN with the engine in the car!


58  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct engine paint suggestions please! on: January 02, 2015, 10:20:11 AM

.....  AND...    Hugger Orange goes good on anything..  Smiley   

Happy 2015 everyone.  Hopefully this year will be the best yet for all of us here.. and for our world...
59  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: in case anyone is interested on: January 01, 2015, 11:47:54 PM
I haven't see

I think you're right; that's what his tag should be as well....
60  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: in case anyone is interested on: January 01, 2015, 04:49:05 PM
I was using the '-' generically...  I don't remember even looking at the plate.   So what does the car have?   - B ?  or --? or ??
Clem did pay for the vinyl top...   Smiley     but the trim tag wasn't pictured in the ebay ad.
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