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31  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Z28 Crankshaft number on: April 15, 2015, 08:58:39 AM
Were all the fasteners original?  and all parts 'std'?  ie..  If that engine had never been apart or rebuilt, then I'd guess that was installed in Flint...(but that would only be my opinion.. I have no idea when Flint made that transition)...
32  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: First 2015 COPO Camaro being auctioned on: April 15, 2015, 08:24:44 AM
And.. a  'real racer' could probably buy a $5000 Mustang, and with another 10-15K build a drag car that would stomp it....

I don't know where GM gets it's marketing people....   maybe from kindergarten classes??
33  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: First 2015 COPO Camaro being auctioned on: April 14, 2015, 11:38:34 PM
from taking a quick look at that car, I'm doubting if it will be street legal.. *(aren't there requirements about 'visibility' thru the windshield and with that 'COPO billboard' of a raised hood, visibility cannot be that good!)...  Is chevy going into the business of selling 'special purpose, off road' cars?  Is that the mindset of Chevrolet's upper management?   will they be building 'drifter' cars?  hill climb cars?  hmmmmmm....   I'm glad I don't own any GM stock.. 
34  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: First 2015 COPO Camaro being auctioned on: April 14, 2015, 01:08:58 PM
A 'store bought' drag car is not a thing of beauty to us all...  it's all in the eyes of he beholder.. Smiley
Chevrolet is building/selling an 'off road' car which will not be used on the street???
35  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Why I am worried about Body Work Guys in General on: April 13, 2015, 07:56:52 AM
Those photos make one wonder WHO is buying these Z28's...  didn't they EVER see a correct Z28 before they bought those? or *restored* those??
36  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Should I paint over lightly stamped numbers on my original BU rear end on: April 08, 2015, 09:35:22 AM
Back in those days, the dealers offered 'full undercoating'.. if they were done in the dealers before the car picked up road salts by being driven,then it worked pretty well to protect the metal, but many people bought their cars.. drove them a while (or years) and THEN decided to have them undercoated, which resulted in the metal rusting under the undercoating.  I'm unsure when that practice stopped, but I haven't had a dealer offer me undercoating in many many years; nowadays, they try to sell you the 'paint protection',  and other 'extras' that are dealer added and mostly ADD to the dealer's bottom line! 
37  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Original dealer info for 1st gens is available on: April 07, 2015, 08:13:56 AM
Suggestion:   

Find and talk to the oldest/longest term employee in the Parts Department.   THey see the zone number changes directly, and Parts Dept guys seem to stay on thru ownership changes, etc.. whereas ownership and sales people turnover regularly...

The Zone Number changes whenever Chevrolet changes their Parts Warehouse locations.  The dealership number changes when the dealership ownership changes.
38  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67-69 Bumper Jack Design on: April 03, 2015, 10:53:29 PM
ah..  Thanks Joe..  I've never seen a mast that was dated before, and I totally missed it the first time..  but reading your specific (go back to photo 2).. I found it and now I see and understand.   Is that date code only on the square type masts, or does someone have a trapezoidal mast with such a date code?
39  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67-69 Bumper Jack Design on: April 03, 2015, 07:30:38 AM
The 8 B is stamped on the mast for the 68 Z/28....Joe

Can you show a pix of that stamping on the mast, Joe??
40  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Delco Energizer Y-55 Battery on: April 02, 2015, 12:40:42 PM
Original battery  = $2K  ?
battery topper    = $50  ?

Decisions?  Impossible!!  Smiley

Makes sense to me.. Smiley
41  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Research Topics & Reports / Re: Earliest 3969341 and Latest 3894860 axles on: April 02, 2015, 12:38:25 PM
That's been sorta my thought a well Darrel, but I've never read/heard an official GM explanation..  it certainly makes sense to me.   30June has typically been the 'end of a model year'..  with July timeframe being the changeover (the actual changeover time depends on how much of a tooling change is required).
42  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Research Topics & Reports / Re: Earliest 3969341 and Latest 3894860 axles on: April 02, 2015, 10:29:36 AM
July had/has a 2-week shutdown, used for retooling the line for the next model year.

For a normal year yes, but ... for '69 they continued current production for 5 more months.   Was the shutdown related to a union contract (ie. the workers expect the 2 weeks off in July?) or Was the extended production 'in doubt' at that time in July??  or ??   

August also had reduced production.. as if they were still shut down for half of that month...  Any idea on the reason for that?
43  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67-69 Bumper Jack Design on: April 01, 2015, 09:52:40 PM
NOR  (my current '69 Z28)
1969
09C 1969
trapezoidal
U69 on base
rivet 9H
curved hook

the following is for a '68 Z28 I don't own any longer, and don't know the build month (but I have the jack still)
NOR
1968
rivet  8D
trapezoidal
'pin' hook
44  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Why I am worried about Body Work Guys in General on: April 01, 2015, 09:41:27 PM
Not everyone has loads of money for high caliber restorations.  Most (I'd say 95%) of the cars you see at the local shows and cruises are of nice driver quality.  Lets face it, the high end 6 figure restorations aren't driven and almost never come out unless the owner wants to knock it down to #2 condition.  Actually the driver quality cars have become more and more frequent as more people want to drive and enjoy rather than sit and stare at the car.

Another fad that has really taken off in the last 5-8 years are original unrestored cars.  I own a couple of those here myself.  After 45+ years they can't compete in restored class competition, but they still present very nicely.  That doesn't mean the car should be or needs to be restored.  I guess to some they are cars that haven't had "attention to detail"  Grin  But it's actually quite the opposite.  Lately they have become even more desirable than high end restored cars in some cases. 

It's all about what the owner wants out of his/her car, and I'm not going to bad mouth either way.  As long as they enjoy it, that's what it's all about.

Great post....   Smiley
45  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: alternator date vs build date on: April 01, 2015, 09:36:28 PM
Terry, based on the vin info you provided me, your car was most likely built on either Friday (4th of April), or Monday (7th of April).   Based on that I think either of those alternators you are considering would be viable.   I don't think there's ANY way to determine for a given day of production which alternator dates were used... they grabbed one with the right PN/color and installed it.. Smiley
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