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2011  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1969 NOS ZL-1 engine possibility ? on: January 09, 2013, 12:47:52 AM
thanks Steve..   will do...
I told him I'd post the pix to help them sell the parts..  but they are 3 MB each..  five photos... so they can't be posted here without resizing..
Gary
2012  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1969 NOS ZL-1 engine possibility ? on: January 08, 2013, 10:19:36 PM
After reading the first post above this morning, and being fairly close to the seller, I called and spoke with them.   The owner said the parts were still in boxes and GM crates and hadn't been opened in 40 yrs.   I asked them to remove the crate top and take photos.  I received photos of the parts tonigh.  The bare block and bare heads appear to have been manufactured in the very early 70's (date on the label of the engine crate is 2-22-73.   The owner states that he purchased the parts OTC in the early 70's.   I have some detailed (high resolution) photos if anyone desires to see them.   I'm not familiar enough with these parts to confirm.  If anyone would like to have the high res photos, send me your email address.  I'm only about 1-1/2 hrs away if anyone would like me to check out the parts first hand.
PS.  i do know from my involvement with Trans Am racers in the early/mid 70's, the ZL1 crate engines were available for quite some time into the 70's for racers.

Gary
2013  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: BLOCK CAST DATE VS PAD STAMP DATE on: January 08, 2013, 01:31:00 PM
Yeah, I've been drinking 'Chevy koolaid' since the early '60's..    still enjoying *most* of it too.. Smiley
Gary
2014  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: BLOCK CAST DATE VS PAD STAMP DATE on: January 08, 2013, 12:28:08 PM
OK.   Thanks Bergy..   
but it sure makes one wonder where the initial information came from (re high nickel content) that has been reported in the auto mags *forever* re the Z28 blocks....Huh?   How does such information get started and propagated for so long in supposedly 'knowledgable magazines'?? 
2015  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Earliest Indy Pace Car 01C? on: January 08, 2013, 12:26:06 PM
Ahhhh..      I've got you now!..  and you're right.   GM *could* have done exactly that.   Do you know if anyone has attempted to research this issue to find out 'how/who' provided that car?   It would be an interesting story if we knew..  and potentially very valuable information to whomever found out the information..  Smiley
2016  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: I Hope I Don't Get Banned on: January 08, 2013, 12:23:22 PM
There's a big difference between 'Rolling OVER'...  and 'being ROLLED under'..   Smiley
2017  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: I Hope I Don't Get Banned on: January 08, 2013, 01:01:38 AM
TMODEL.  I certainly wouldn't blame you or BAN you for such a statement.  since I AGREE wholeheartedly with you *S*....  but Kurt might ban us both!   Smiley
ROLL TIDE ROLL..   *G*
2018  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: BLOCK CAST DATE VS PAD STAMP DATE on: January 08, 2013, 12:59:56 AM
The Z blocks weren't cast at Tonawanda..    but instead all HP, and SHP small block engines were cast and built at Flint., I think....  waiting on JohnZ to respond re the 'high nickel' question on 302 blocks..

Gary
2019  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Earliest Indy Pace Car 01C? on: January 08, 2013, 12:52:48 AM
William,
I wouldn't think a mid year introduction of a 'package' of already existing options (the Z11) would require a pilot, even with the new interior option; at least not in the sense of a typical pilot which would normally be built NOT to be sold, but to be *tested*.   The Z11 was a 'sales/advertising' package to be sold....
2020  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: BLOCK CAST DATE VS PAD STAMP DATE on: January 07, 2013, 02:04:11 PM
John,  Was the metallurgy 'high nickel'?  or not?   I've read that in the car mags since the cars were new .....?

Gary
2021  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Earliest Indy Pace Car 01C? on: January 07, 2013, 02:02:49 PM
true....  Unless someone can do some 'due dilligence' and search out thru Indy and GM records..  the VIN of the car?
Gary
2022  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Earliest Indy Pace Car 01C? on: January 07, 2013, 12:40:13 AM
*Agrees with Mo*....
2023  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: original transverse muffler date codes? on: January 06, 2013, 01:29:40 AM
An interesting question, Austin, but I'd doubt that the mufflers themselves would have a PN on them, given how they are built and what they are made of.   I bought replacements in the mid 70's, and I recall them having a wired on tag or stuck on paper label with the PN...   There are 'raised' letters on the mufflers...  but I'm not recalling the letter on mine.   A single letter..  like 'A' or 'E' or ??

Gary
2024  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Earliest Indy Pace Car 01C? on: January 06, 2013, 01:26:05 AM
If Indy actually had a white/orange car *labeled* as a Indy Pace Car in late January, then the following is true:
1) It would be a car built in January (or before)
2) It would not have the Z11 on the Trim Tag

and the following *could* be true:
1)  It *might* have been any Camaro convertible, but was probably white (with quick orange stripes and orange interior, and could have had 'any' available engine for the press release
2)  If that car is not *known* today, then it could be *ANY* '69 Convertible...  possibly painted in different colors, OR possibly having been 'dressed out' as a 'standard' Pace Car convertible (even with a fake TT)..?

Regardless of the above, I'd think if that car could be found, it would be valuable because it IS truly unique; even more unique than the actual cars that paced the Indy (if I remember correctly that there were two of the cars setup to be the actual pace car?), and more unique than the several hundred/thousand Pace Car Replicas which carry the Z11 on the TT...

Has anyone attempted to identify the "intro car* by VIN?  Possibly local Indianapolis dealers?, GM itself?, or even the Indy people might have record of that VIN somewhere..    Smiley

Gary
2025  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Camaro Tilt column on: January 05, 2013, 10:11:27 AM
Another difference I noted between the tilt column I have (purchased 35 yrs ago at a swap meet with a rosewood camaro wheel on it for $65!).. Smiley  and the std column is the shape of the reverse lockout lever...   std column is almost straight, whereas the tilt I have the lever has an angled bend to it...

Gary
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