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1936  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: BLOCK CAST DATE VS PAD STAMP DATE on: January 08, 2013, 12:59:56 AM
The Z blocks weren't cast at Tonawanda..    but instead all HP, and SHP small block engines were cast and built at Flint., I think....  waiting on JohnZ to respond re the 'high nickel' question on 302 blocks..

Gary
1937  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Earliest Indy Pace Car 01C? on: January 08, 2013, 12:52:48 AM
William,
I wouldn't think a mid year introduction of a 'package' of already existing options (the Z11) would require a pilot, even with the new interior option; at least not in the sense of a typical pilot which would normally be built NOT to be sold, but to be *tested*.   The Z11 was a 'sales/advertising' package to be sold....
1938  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: BLOCK CAST DATE VS PAD STAMP DATE on: January 07, 2013, 02:04:11 PM
John,  Was the metallurgy 'high nickel'?  or not?   I've read that in the car mags since the cars were new .....?

Gary
1939  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Earliest Indy Pace Car 01C? on: January 07, 2013, 02:02:49 PM
true....  Unless someone can do some 'due dilligence' and search out thru Indy and GM records..  the VIN of the car?
Gary
1940  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Earliest Indy Pace Car 01C? on: January 07, 2013, 12:40:13 AM
*Agrees with Mo*....
1941  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: original transverse muffler date codes? on: January 06, 2013, 01:29:40 AM
An interesting question, Austin, but I'd doubt that the mufflers themselves would have a PN on them, given how they are built and what they are made of.   I bought replacements in the mid 70's, and I recall them having a wired on tag or stuck on paper label with the PN...   There are 'raised' letters on the mufflers...  but I'm not recalling the letter on mine.   A single letter..  like 'A' or 'E' or ??

Gary
1942  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Earliest Indy Pace Car 01C? on: January 06, 2013, 01:26:05 AM
If Indy actually had a white/orange car *labeled* as a Indy Pace Car in late January, then the following is true:
1) It would be a car built in January (or before)
2) It would not have the Z11 on the Trim Tag

and the following *could* be true:
1)  It *might* have been any Camaro convertible, but was probably white (with quick orange stripes and orange interior, and could have had 'any' available engine for the press release
2)  If that car is not *known* today, then it could be *ANY* '69 Convertible...  possibly painted in different colors, OR possibly having been 'dressed out' as a 'standard' Pace Car convertible (even with a fake TT)..?

Regardless of the above, I'd think if that car could be found, it would be valuable because it IS truly unique; even more unique than the actual cars that paced the Indy (if I remember correctly that there were two of the cars setup to be the actual pace car?), and more unique than the several hundred/thousand Pace Car Replicas which carry the Z11 on the TT...

Has anyone attempted to identify the "intro car* by VIN?  Possibly local Indianapolis dealers?, GM itself?, or even the Indy people might have record of that VIN somewhere..    Smiley

Gary
1943  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Camaro Tilt column on: January 05, 2013, 10:11:27 AM
Another difference I noted between the tilt column I have (purchased 35 yrs ago at a swap meet with a rosewood camaro wheel on it for $65!).. Smiley  and the std column is the shape of the reverse lockout lever...   std column is almost straight, whereas the tilt I have the lever has an angled bend to it...

Gary
1944  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Earliest Indy Pace Car 01C? on: January 05, 2013, 10:08:47 AM
Anything is possible if the car isn't known today.    Does anyone know the date of that tony Hulman press conference introducing the car? 
1945  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Earliest Indy Pace Car 01C? on: January 05, 2013, 09:58:01 AM
What was the date of the first press conference showing the white/orange pace car?   Does no one know where that car is today?

PS.  A Nomad friend, whom I haven't seen in many years, (Bill Edney of S.C.) found the 50th anniversary GM car (a 'gold 55 BelAir hardtop) after around 20 yrs of 'obscurity'.   He found the car in a chicken coop, having been painted with a brush, wrecked and forgotten...  He bought the car for the rear end.   When he got it home and began pulling the rear, the shocks stretched out, and under the dirt/crude, he saw the clean golden portion of the shock as it came out of it's shroud.   that car had all the trim gold plated, was painted gold, and was a 'big deal' at GM He was able to verify by sn and parts that the car WAS GM's Golden Anniversary car!   HOW does such a car end up in a chicken coop?
Isn't it possible that the introductory '69 Pace Car vert could have been 'forgotten' over the years, especially if the TT didn't identify it as a Z11?

Gary
1946  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Earliest Indy Pace Car 01C? on: January 04, 2013, 11:38:36 AM
Yep... only the tag says 'Z11' with the color codes...  the other data on the 'supposedly fake tag' could be match to the original TT...?   in which case, someone may have a very original car EXCEPT for the colors and tag.   Does appear to be a very nice car if that is all that is faked....   trim tag and colors don't affect how it drives/looks..  Smiley  ..  only how it's thought of by those deep into the hobby.

Gary
1947  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 4 Spd Shifter Advise on: January 04, 2013, 01:29:09 AM
clean and lubricate the mechanism; install new bushings on the rod ends; and perhaps install the GM 'engine torque restraint' to minimize engine rotation during acceleration.
I did a quick search and found this reference:
"Volunteer Vette sells an excellent rebuild kit for the stock Muncie shifter - 'someone' wrote a photo-illustrated technical article on that rebuild in the January '08 issue of "Corvette Enthusiast" magazine."
1948  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: building a garage on: January 02, 2013, 12:32:53 PM
sounds like 'pony car Heaven'...  there's no wonder you have to have a place for 'visiting missionaries'.. Smiley
so where are yuo located Bergy?  Smiley     realize there's a ton of us that would love to see your cars if you're close enough.. Smiley
Gary
1949  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original/Reproduction Smog Setups for '69 Z28?? on: January 02, 2013, 12:28:13 PM
Thanks for the information fellas!  It helps knowing other guys who've had their Z28's for a long while.. Smiley

Gary
1950  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Camaro Tilt column on: January 02, 2013, 12:21:25 PM
It could be all standard columns were changed for the 1970 model year. I believe A bodies used the same basic column as Camaro with a shaft extension. If a splined column was furnished to the plant with the flange installed it would assemble the same. There is no difference noted in the assembly manual for either column and they were different for some time.

I will have to make it a point to check Norwood cars built after N670xxx. Always someting new to learn!


William,
I was mistaken on my earlier post; after a closer examination of my 'standard original column', I realized the splined coupler I was referring to was on the 'steering box' side of the joint;  my std columnn has a welded coupler..  so you were RIGHT in your earlier post..  and I wanted to correct what I'd said earlier..  Smiley

Hope your holidays were merry!   
Gary
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