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1756  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Subframe Crisis on: March 22, 2013, 04:14:18 PM
JohnZ could probably respond to how the factory did it, but on mine it *seemed* to be 'black underneath'.. and it seemed to be a high quality tough black.  I suspect that was the corrosion protection for the basic body, then the gray and/or brown primers (probably overspray during body paint), and then the orange overspray... with also some 'black overspray from when they painted the rockers and firewall..  That's just my guess from what I observed while cleaning under my floor.
1757  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Keys from keycode? on: March 22, 2013, 10:14:57 AM
Thanks John..  I suspected that. Smiley    ..  gives me another task to do on my car.. Smiley
1758  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Originality questions for Tilt Column (restored) vs Original non-tilt column on: March 22, 2013, 10:12:41 AM
John,  thanks for your comments!   

Re the 'green part' of my original column.  Do you think that is where the saginaw applied black paint didn't adhere well?  That column has never been out of the car, but when I saw the green showing thru the black paint, I cleaned off the black (which was very easy to do);  I believed the spotty black that was on it was from my 'spray bombing' it black in the mid 70's which was at least partially true.. Smiley 
1759  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 owners manual question. on: March 22, 2013, 10:06:57 AM
Hi Buddy,
I sent you a personal message re your manual.   I was noticing your list of cars.. you have some nice ones..  The 99 orange SS sounds sweet (LS1?), as well as the 70 Z28.   All those are cars I've *desired* at one time or another.  I actually owned a '70 Z28 (orange) at one time, but stupidly sold it for lack of garage space.  I should have built my garage more quickly instead!  Smiley
1760  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 1969 SS/RS 396 need pics of core support area on: March 22, 2013, 09:58:46 AM
Currently, my original RS core support is out of my car and I have an 'old' NOS one to compare it to, as well as an  AMD reproduction (which is pretty good as repros go, but which does have a couple of small differences).   The AMD is boxed back up (hopefully for selling to someone), and my plan is to clean and paint the NOS one and my original one (and replace the rusted bracket under the battery) before deciding whether to use the original or the NOS.  I haven't thus far noticed any differences between my original one and the NOS one, but if someone has specific questions?  Or if Ko Lec Tor can send some photos of the area he's interested in?  I would be glad to make photos..?
1761  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car on: March 22, 2013, 08:54:54 AM
Did I understand you to say that you're going to run it in the Walter Mitty (Road Atlanta)?
1762  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Subframe Crisis on: March 22, 2013, 08:51:58 AM
A few more photos of my original floor since someone had asked me a few months ago to post some, and I'd never taken the time to reduce photo size til now.
1763  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Subframe Crisis (floor paint-orig) on: March 22, 2013, 08:40:18 AM
Here are a few photos of my original '69 Z28 floorpan, after a bit of cleaning in this last year; it's not perfectly cleaned, but it's clean enough that one can see the various paints which hit the floor (before lying on my back for a few weeks cleaning with simple green, water, etc, it was 'dirt'... Smiley .   
This car was never undercoated and spent it's entire life in the north Alabama area; it was driven regularly for 10 yrs or so, but since then has been in my conditioned garage.   As you can see, it has areas of black, gray and color (orange) depending on where the overspray from body painting could reach.
1764  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 owners manual question. on: March 22, 2013, 08:11:56 AM
I was only pulling your leg...  Smiley    I didn't really bid against you..     but I do need one, if I can't find my original I put up years ago..?
1765  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Subframe Crisis on: March 22, 2013, 12:26:02 AM
I am thinking I may paint it when the underside gets painted. They should be the same color correct? I am going to blast it myself.
As several people have noted, you have some *repair* issues on your subframe, and possibly your floor, before yuo get to the paint stage.   The subframe should be removed to allow the repair process to be completed properly.   Re color:   The subrame was 'coated' or possibly dipped in a black semi gloss paint.   I used 'GM reconditioning black' which I believe best emulates the factory coating, although better paints exist for maximum protection.   The floor on my car has areas of 'gray', areas of black, and areas of body color (orange in my case).   It's clear that achieving a 'nice even color' on the bottom of the floor was not a consideration.   The first paint applied was likely for corrosion protection, and after that it seems it was 'over spray' from other paint processes.   if you want your floor 'pretty', then you could certainly pick a color (gray, black, or body color) and make it all the same, but I don't consider that to be 'original'.
1766  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Originality questions for Tilt Column (restored) vs Original non-tilt column on: March 22, 2013, 12:17:15 AM
Is the height of the keylock boss on the 69 steering column *different* for the non tilt column vs the Tilt column?   My car came with a non-tiltcolumn, but the space between seatback and steering wheel has shrunk significantly since I last drove it in 1980 ... Smiley , so I'm considering installing a tilt column.   In comparing the original non-tilt and restored tilt columns, I found a couple of differences:

Height of Keylock boss
Attached are photos of the boss for the keylock cylinder on the two columns:
Non-tilt column, followed by the higher boss on the Tilt column:

Additionally, the paint color on the bottom of the steering column is different:
Attached are the bottom showing the difference for the Non-tilt (green paint), and tilt (restored black)..

Is it 'normal' that the height of the keylock boss on a tilt column is so much higher than a non tilt?
Is the 'green' painted end of my original non-tilt factory correct?  Is the TILT end different and is the 'black painted' also correct?
Any/all help appreciated. 
I need to know if this tilt column is correct re the keylock boss height and original type, and if it is, do I need to paint the end green to match the original column before installation.
1767  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Keys from keycode? on: March 21, 2013, 11:43:29 PM
when I removed my original carpet a few years ago, for replacement, under the carpet/insulation, I found a key lying there, looked 'new'..   with the little ring on it. I was initially confused, but quickly realized I found it right under the steering column..  so I tried the key in the ignition, and it worked!   then I noticed the key still had the knockout in it!   Smiley    So I have THE ORIGINAL key, barely used now.. Smiley for the ignition, but not for the other locks.    That key, and my pre-existing ignition key were 'E' code, which is correct for '69, but I just found new blanks to make additional key sets, and I learned that my trunk key is coded 'D' (which is not correct for '69, and makes me think the trunk cylinder was swapped out for a '68 lock and key).   I don't recall doing this in the '70's, so it must ahve been done prior to my purchase.   Is the key codes (ie.  E and H) actually 'judged' in the national judging?   Do I need to find a '69 trunk lock so I can have the correct key code (H), or can I just use a good '68 blank and grind it for the existing trunk key?   damn..  the most simple things turn into an 'exercise' when you are going thru one of these cars.. Smiley
1768  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Keys from keycode? on: March 21, 2013, 04:43:28 PM
Can a locksmith make a key from my 'keycode'?   ie. the 4 digit code on the knockout?   Do any of you know a locksmith or key dealer who could make me an original set of keys using the code? 
1769  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 owners manual question. on: March 21, 2013, 01:07:53 PM
Thanks guys. Well I won the third edition, April 1969 manual I bid on on ebay. $12.19 plus $3.70 shipping. Hopefully others will see this post and we can see how many editions were actually printed. Really has me curious now. Maybe we can add this information to CRG for reference?

I was going to bid against you, but I let the end time slip past me..  Smiley
1770  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Property Tax Rate Schedule on: March 20, 2013, 11:05:32 PM
you made the statement:  " So I'm having some 1967 NC plates made personalized to run instead of the antique plate."
What do you mean by 'having them made 'personalized'?    You're modifying an original state plate for '67 by putting your own letters on it?   is that allowed in NC?  neat idea if they will allow it here in Bama.. Smiley   I'm going to check.   I've a friend who can cut out letters and numbers from old tags and put them all back together again to spell out new words..  Smiley
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