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1576  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 owners manual question. on: March 21, 2013, 01:07:53 PM
Thanks guys. Well I won the third edition, April 1969 manual I bid on on ebay. $12.19 plus $3.70 shipping. Hopefully others will see this post and we can see how many editions were actually printed. Really has me curious now. Maybe we can add this information to CRG for reference?

I was going to bid against you, but I let the end time slip past me..  Smiley
1577  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Property Tax Rate Schedule on: March 20, 2013, 11:05:32 PM
you made the statement:  " So I'm having some 1967 NC plates made personalized to run instead of the antique plate."
What do you mean by 'having them made 'personalized'?    You're modifying an original state plate for '67 by putting your own letters on it?   is that allowed in NC?  neat idea if they will allow it here in Bama.. Smiley   I'm going to check.   I've a friend who can cut out letters and numbers from old tags and put them all back together again to spell out new words..  Smiley
1578  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 68 AIM Page 151 #3857706 on: March 20, 2013, 10:57:38 PM
Good pix, Chick..  Smiley
Do you have any idea what that other 1/4" hole is for ??
1579  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 owners manual question. on: March 20, 2013, 10:53:43 PM
I bought a '69 Corvette roadster, 350/350 4sp (loaded) in 1988; I knew all the prior owners (3).. at the time of purchase none of them could find the protecto plate.. Sad  ..   but several years later, the seller dropped it by my house, in the envelop, with the owners manual/guide, etc..  Smiley
1580  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: '69 Z/28 positive battery cable on: March 20, 2013, 10:43:27 PM
when I first bought my car (late 09C) in 1976, I had several people to tell me that the 'side mount battery is wrong for the car'.. and encouraged me to put in a topmount battery and change the cables...  I later learned the real story, and was glad I never followed their advice, but I'm sure the same thing happened to many other late build camaros during that period!  so maybe yours was one of them X77??
1581  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 68 AIM Page 151 #3857706 on: March 20, 2013, 10:41:18 PM
OK, got the hard one set.  Where does the second one go on a 69?  Can't tell from page 162 illustration if it goes to the inside or the outside of the large access hole for the lower control arm attachment.  I am guessing inside, but hate to guess.
Gary, can you look at yours and see?

Lynn,  I went down and looked at my car, and I note there is a 1/4" hole to the outside and one to the inside of the large access hole in the crossmember.   my clip wasn't present at this time.  I'll have to check my old photos to see if I captured it before taking apart to clean.  In the '69 AIM, it seems the best pictorial is on pg 163 UPC 12 pgA11, showing the same part (Cool clip in both locations, but it's not obvious from the pictorial which one of the 1/4" holes is used.   From where they are located, and where the battery cable runs (along the pan), my first thought would be the innermost hole, but I can't say for sure.  Maybe someone else can pipe in on this.
1582  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Websites that might be of interest to us on: March 20, 2013, 11:01:59 AM
I'm glad I finally visited that link... Smiley    some fantastic photos and old racing scenes and cars....
I've also forwarded the link:
to other car buds who will appricate the photos..
1583  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Subframe Crisis on: March 20, 2013, 09:18:35 AM
Any idea what this was?
.... photos removed for brevity....
I am not sure how bad it is yet, but I will find out soon enough. It looks like the subframe washers have disintegrated. When I loosened them up with the impact driver, the old parts just crumbled into dust. I am hoping that the subframe is ok. And that it does not need to be removed and repaired.
The original plan was not to remove the subframe, but that plan may change, depending on the severity of the rust damage.
If anyone has experienced this situation before I would love to hear about it and hear about some solutions to this potentially nasty situation.
that looks like a mixture of rusted down metal and dirt to me...  You're up north where they salt roads?
You definitely should pull the subframe and derust it, treat it, prime/paint it ..  after all ..  our PRIMARY task with these old cars is to PRESERVE.. Smiley
1584  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 1969 SS/RS 396 need pics of core support area on: March 19, 2013, 11:40:21 PM
In hopes it might help you, attached is the photo of my VR and HR mounted to the Rad Core Spt before disassembly of my '69 Z28/RS.
1585  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Heater delete on: March 19, 2013, 11:40:04 AM
I would guess that MOST of the Camaros/Z28s converted for TransAm and IMSA GT racing came originally with heaters, and probably had them removed and a 'homemade plates' made to cover the hole; cutting a piece of metal out would be faster for most racers than finding and ordering the 'delete' plate?   I had two friends who raced '69 Z28's SCCA and in those series, and one of them was ordered (with factory 4-wheel disk brakes) and the other was bought off the lot, driven straight to the shop for conversion, and used the service duty 4-wheel disk brake rear (~$700 OTC jobber price at that time).
1586  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 'EY' coil springs.. update on: March 19, 2013, 11:33:09 AM
Without having all the various springs Chevrolet used on '69 Camaros, it's impossible for me to know how they adjusted spring rate and loaded height for each car weight.   your coil wire is a bit thicker than I measured (assuming we both measured correctly and consistently), thus your spring would be for a heavier weight car.  As you see from the 69 Camaro Usage Chart, there were a lot of different springs, for the multitude of engines they offered in the camaro.

For the Z28, only the following springs were used depending on the additional front end weights for your optional items:

12437     302 Eng. Z28)
0-68                       YF
69 -148                   EY
Over 148                 YH

My car's options totaled between 76 and 107 lbs (from the factory) where the EY spring would be correct, and that was what the original springs were labeled.  If your spring coil wire dia is thicker then it may be the YH spring (for the heaviest of addon weight ranges).   You can check the weight charts to see what options might have added up to the 148 lbs (Plus) to justify the YH spring?  From the charts, it seems it would require a Z28 to have almost ALL the possible options to reach the YH level of spring, certainly it appears the tape player would be required,and that's a rare option.

1587  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: '69 Z/28 positive battery cable on: March 18, 2013, 03:59:16 PM
Does anyone reproduce the 6297684 AS positive battery cable? My 06A 69 Z has this cable on it.
check this one out..  it's the closest I've seen...
1588  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Bewitched 69 Caprice Custom on: March 18, 2013, 11:13:46 AM
Another possibility that appears closer to that Caprice shade to me is Lemans Blue Poly.   a bit lighter than the very dark Dusk Blue.   
here is a link that has color charts and codes...

1589  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Property Tax Rate Schedule on: March 16, 2013, 11:59:02 PM
in Alabama, car license taxes are a function of two things:   1) value of the vehicle, 2) weight of the vehicle.  The calculated tax is added to the 'tag fee' of about $20 to figure your annual cost per tag.   For our older cars, once they are 30 yrs old and preserved as 'orignal collector/vintage cars', we pay a one time fee of $20 and it's good for LIFE...   (used to be 25 yrs, then they decided they needed to wait longer to bestow that privilege.  isn't 25 or 30 yrs long enough to pay taxes on an automobile?   especially ones that are seldom driven except to car shows, parades, car club meetings, etc?
1590  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 69 Dash Grab Handle Conversion Question on: March 16, 2013, 11:54:22 PM
The console 8 track was a very rare option, I only remember seeing a couple of them in cars over the years since they were new; I probably have some late sixties or early 70's 8 tracks I would give you. if I can find them.. Smiley
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