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1561  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Who mixes code Y Butternut Yellow in a good quality Base coat? on: October 07, 2012, 11:13:34 AM
Have you considered using the single stage paint, and mixing in some clear in your top coats?   I think that looks much better than base/clear and closer to *original*, and still has a great shine once sanded and buffed out (like lacquer)..
1562  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 69 Pace Car, Original Dealer Invoice on: October 07, 2012, 11:03:37 AM
Let's all put on the IB Inna Gadda... and play it together? *G*   
(that's my halloween music..   play it when the kids come by trick or treating..  Smiley
1563  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1969 survivor Z on ebay on: October 07, 2012, 10:56:53 AM
I guess I have a problem with performing maintenance on a part of my car, and finding bare metail (beginning to corrode) that was originally *(poorly) painted, and NOT wanting to protect and preserve the metail.   Tje paint that I put on is not original, but when the *original coating/paint* is all gone... do you leave it dirty/rusting/bare?  or do you clean, derust, and preserve?   Maybe some discussion on this issue will help a lot of us with original cars...?

Gary
1564  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: What is the best after market sheet metal? on: October 01, 2012, 07:23:03 PM
" I fthese parts are licensed by GM then I would think that they have examined them to asses the quality of them before giving their approval."

I suspect that 'licensed by GM' doesn't mean much more than that the mfg/seller has paid GM a licensing fee to use the GM logo in their advertising....
1565  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 69 brake calipers on: October 01, 2012, 07:11:08 PM
DT:   I posted the dates in the prior post to yours (but maybe you missed it?)..  "on my two calipers from my 09C (1969) Z28,  on one caliper was a cast code of 143 (23May), with stamped date of 168 (17June).   On the other, was a cast date of 188 (7July), and a stamped date of 227 (15August).   All of these dates seem reasonable to me for calipers. "
1566  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1969 survivor Z on ebay on: October 01, 2012, 07:04:46 PM
IMO the detailing he's done to the car devalue it. Engine repaint and so on should not have been done. It would be worth more left untouched. Now like Kurt says it's a mixed bag. If he wants to sell it he better let it go for the almost 80K it's at. It's at all the money.
After 43 yrs, it's normal that it had some maintenance, even with the relatively low mileage; the urethane swaybar bushings indicate that he DID drive it a little, even if not many miles.   Whenever I have to remove a part on my car(s) for maintenance, I always clean and if necessary do whatever is required to *preserve* it (ie. eliminate rust, etc).   so I don't see a big problem with the man's car; it's the NICEST one I've seen in the past 30 yrs (including all the overrestored, plastic painted restorations).
Oh..  and it bid to nearly $87K... and he didn't sell it.   Actually, I considered that a good value for the car as well...  assuming that all the numbers on the car are correct (which I didn't see in the ebay info)..

Re some of the other comments:   My disk brake brackets look very similar to his after cleaning).. and I've still got paint marking residue on the spindles, and my car had 70K+ miles on it by 1980 when I parked it (also in a conditioned garage).   His floorboard looks very similar to mine (after I've cleaned mine).

PS.  I'd rather have that car (or mine) than any restored Z28 I've seen (and yes, I've attended national and regional shows for 30 yrs or more).

Gary
1567  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Found 1969 DZ Block Dated April 1969 NO VIN? on: September 27, 2012, 03:37:10 PM
The VINs stamped by the oil filter are EXTREMELY difficult to see (much less read).    I finally removed my engine and disassembled it and took the block out in bright sunlight..  cleaned it... penciled it..  chalked it..  etc..  trying to see if there was a VIN on it..  Finally, when the bright light is *just right*..    you pick up ONE character..  and then you can begin to make out the rest.    Taking a photograph of it is extremely difficult even in the best of circumstances, even if you know it's there..  and where it is. . etc...   so I'd guess that this engine has a VIN on the cast surface, but the owner just hasn't looked in the perfect circumstances yet. . Smiley
1568  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: Freeing frozen piston in master cylinder on: September 26, 2012, 10:53:41 PM
Has anyone bought a Master Cylinder Rebuild kit recently?    Any suggestions on source for one?
1569  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: Best source for lower ball joint? on: September 26, 2012, 10:51:52 PM
The TRW's and Moog's are supposedly US built.  Moog's a bit more expensive, so I ordered those thinking 'they must be a bit better'..   but that logic isn't always good....

Gary
1570  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1969 survivor Z on ebay on: September 26, 2012, 10:50:31 PM
Steve:  I totally agree.   The floor looked remarkably like mine *(re the overspray)*, although that one is even nicer.
Bullitt:   43 yrs of *aging* does things to rubber even when sitting in a conditioned garage!
1571  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1969 survivor Z on ebay on: September 26, 2012, 12:12:29 PM
Wow.. I am watching it now... I love it, but I'm prejudiced..    Smiley
It is optioned identical to my car except for my orange houndstooth.   
I have NO idea how this car has remained so clean... unless it's been in a sealed bag for 30 yrs.    Mine has 70K miles (all in the first 10 yrs) and has sat in my garage since 1980.. and mine is not nearly as clean as that one (although I'm cleaning mine now).   
Does anyone know where this owner lives?

Gary 

Yes Gary, it looks like a twin to our cars. I bought mine in the mid 70's because there is nothing nastier looking than a rs/z, hugger orange, black vinyl top with black stripes. The car is in NY.

I'd love to see some photos of your car, Steve..    Mine is partially disassembled now for cleaning up, preserving and getting it back on the road (after 32+ yrs of 'resting' in my garage.. Smiley    I want to keep it 'original unrestored' as much as possible, but there are some things you just need to replace (like lower ball joints after 70K miles; the uppers are very tight, but I damaged the boot disassembling with my pickle fork).  Other rubber parts needs replacing like A-arm bushings, etc.     (I DO want to drive it again; it's been too long).l Smiley
PS.  I cleaned up the bottomside of the floor (lying on my back under the elevated car), and it looks great now; almost worth the pain it caused on my old body).. Smiley

Gary
1572  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1969 survivor Z on ebay on: September 25, 2012, 03:52:17 PM
Wow.. I am watching it now... I love it, but I'm prejudiced..    Smiley
It is optioned identical to my car except for my orange houndstooth.   
I have NO idea how this car has remained so clean... unless it's been in a sealed bag for 30 yrs.    Mine has 70K miles (all in the first 10 yrs) and has sat in my garage since 1980.. and mine is not nearly as clean as that one (although I'm cleaning mine now).   
Does anyone know where this owner lives?

Gary 
1573  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 'late' '69 Z28 Valve Cover drippers on: September 25, 2012, 03:08:33 PM
a lot of people *restoring* '69 Z28s hunt for and find 'non dripper' VC's because that is what they are told was 'original'...    I'm fairly certain in my own mind that lots of 'late production 1969  350 hp Corvettes and Z28's got dripper type VC's in the factory.   I've had many people with late cars write me and tell me their cars also had dripper VC's, but they had believed they'd been changed (due to the 'common information' that '69's didn't have drippers and '70's did have drippers.    Based on the evidence from many inputs, it is also possible that there was not a 'changeover' date when they switched, but instead at some point in mid-summer '69, the VC was redesigned for the drippers (an improvement but without any other impact or appearance change), and when the new production came in, they began being used (mixed with any leftover dripper-less covers).   There's no reason Chevrolet would have declared ''69's do not get drippers and '70's do get drippers!   The VC design was updated and the parts were used when they came in...
1574  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 69 brake calipers on: September 21, 2012, 12:11:18 AM
Going back to the date codes for a moment, there are 'cast dates' on the calipers, and also stamped dates:   on my two calipers from my 09C (1969) Z28,  on one caliper was a cast code of 143 (23May), with stamped date of 168 (17June).   On the other, was a cast date of 188 (7July), and a stamped date of 227 (15August).   All of these dates seem reasonable to me for calipers.   Am I interpreting the cast and stamped dates correctly?   The castings are done, then some time later, (3 to 5 weeks later in my caes), the parts are machined, the calipers built/assembled, and the assembly dates stamped in.   Note:  My '227 stamped date actually seemed to be 00227, but I interpreted it the same way?

Gary
1575  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Charlotte Autofair September 20-23 on: September 20, 2012, 05:52:22 PM
Thanks Phillip,

I think I will do that since it's 'late' to make this one..
Gary
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