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1561  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Subframe Crisis on: March 22, 2013, 12:26:02 AM
I am thinking I may paint it when the underside gets painted. They should be the same color correct? I am going to blast it myself.
As several people have noted, you have some *repair* issues on your subframe, and possibly your floor, before yuo get to the paint stage.   The subframe should be removed to allow the repair process to be completed properly.   Re color:   The subrame was 'coated' or possibly dipped in a black semi gloss paint.   I used 'GM reconditioning black' which I believe best emulates the factory coating, although better paints exist for maximum protection.   The floor on my car has areas of 'gray', areas of black, and areas of body color (orange in my case).   It's clear that achieving a 'nice even color' on the bottom of the floor was not a consideration.   The first paint applied was likely for corrosion protection, and after that it seems it was 'over spray' from other paint processes.   if you want your floor 'pretty', then you could certainly pick a color (gray, black, or body color) and make it all the same, but I don't consider that to be 'original'.
1562  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Originality questions for Tilt Column (restored) vs Original non-tilt column on: March 22, 2013, 12:17:15 AM
Is the height of the keylock boss on the 69 steering column *different* for the non tilt column vs the Tilt column?   My car came with a non-tiltcolumn, but the space between seatback and steering wheel has shrunk significantly since I last drove it in 1980 ... Smiley , so I'm considering installing a tilt column.   In comparing the original non-tilt and restored tilt columns, I found a couple of differences:

Height of Keylock boss
Attached are photos of the boss for the keylock cylinder on the two columns:
Non-tilt column, followed by the higher boss on the Tilt column:

Additionally, the paint color on the bottom of the steering column is different:
Attached are the bottom showing the difference for the Non-tilt (green paint), and tilt (restored black)..

Is it 'normal' that the height of the keylock boss on a tilt column is so much higher than a non tilt?
Is the 'green' painted end of my original non-tilt factory correct?  Is the TILT end different and is the 'black painted' also correct?
Any/all help appreciated. 
I need to know if this tilt column is correct re the keylock boss height and original type, and if it is, do I need to paint the end green to match the original column before installation.
1563  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Keys from keycode? on: March 21, 2013, 11:43:29 PM
when I removed my original carpet a few years ago, for replacement, under the carpet/insulation, I found a key lying there, looked 'new'..   with the little ring on it. I was initially confused, but quickly realized I found it right under the steering column..  so I tried the key in the ignition, and it worked!   then I noticed the key still had the knockout in it!   Smiley    So I have THE ORIGINAL key, barely used now.. Smiley for the ignition, but not for the other locks.    That key, and my pre-existing ignition key were 'E' code, which is correct for '69, but I just found new blanks to make additional key sets, and I learned that my trunk key is coded 'D' (which is not correct for '69, and makes me think the trunk cylinder was swapped out for a '68 lock and key).   I don't recall doing this in the '70's, so it must ahve been done prior to my purchase.   Is the key codes (ie.  E and H) actually 'judged' in the national judging?   Do I need to find a '69 trunk lock so I can have the correct key code (H), or can I just use a good '68 blank and grind it for the existing trunk key?   damn..  the most simple things turn into an 'exercise' when you are going thru one of these cars.. Smiley
1564  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Keys from keycode? on: March 21, 2013, 04:43:28 PM
Can a locksmith make a key from my 'keycode'?   ie. the 4 digit code on the knockout?   Do any of you know a locksmith or key dealer who could make me an original set of keys using the code? 
1565  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 owners manual question. on: March 21, 2013, 01:07:53 PM
Thanks guys. Well I won the third edition, April 1969 manual I bid on on ebay. $12.19 plus $3.70 shipping. Hopefully others will see this post and we can see how many editions were actually printed. Really has me curious now. Maybe we can add this information to CRG for reference?

I was going to bid against you, but I let the end time slip past me..  Smiley
1566  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Property Tax Rate Schedule on: March 20, 2013, 11:05:32 PM
you made the statement:  " So I'm having some 1967 NC plates made personalized to run instead of the antique plate."
What do you mean by 'having them made 'personalized'?    You're modifying an original state plate for '67 by putting your own letters on it?   is that allowed in NC?  neat idea if they will allow it here in Bama.. Smiley   I'm going to check.   I've a friend who can cut out letters and numbers from old tags and put them all back together again to spell out new words..  Smiley
1567  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 68 AIM Page 151 #3857706 on: March 20, 2013, 10:57:38 PM
Good pix, Chick..  Smiley
Do you have any idea what that other 1/4" hole is for ??
1568  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 owners manual question. on: March 20, 2013, 10:53:43 PM
I bought a '69 Corvette roadster, 350/350 4sp (loaded) in 1988; I knew all the prior owners (3).. at the time of purchase none of them could find the protecto plate.. Sad  ..   but several years later, the seller dropped it by my house, in the envelop, with the owners manual/guide, etc..  Smiley
1569  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: '69 Z/28 positive battery cable on: March 20, 2013, 10:43:27 PM
when I first bought my car (late 09C) in 1976, I had several people to tell me that the 'side mount battery is wrong for the car'.. and encouraged me to put in a topmount battery and change the cables...  I later learned the real story, and was glad I never followed their advice, but I'm sure the same thing happened to many other late build camaros during that period!  so maybe yours was one of them X77??
1570  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 68 AIM Page 151 #3857706 on: March 20, 2013, 10:41:18 PM
OK, got the hard one set.  Where does the second one go on a 69?  Can't tell from page 162 illustration if it goes to the inside or the outside of the large access hole for the lower control arm attachment.  I am guessing inside, but hate to guess.
Gary, can you look at yours and see?

Lynn,  I went down and looked at my car, and I note there is a 1/4" hole to the outside and one to the inside of the large access hole in the crossmember.   my clip wasn't present at this time.  I'll have to check my old photos to see if I captured it before taking apart to clean.  In the '69 AIM, it seems the best pictorial is on pg 163 UPC 12 pgA11, showing the same part (Cool clip in both locations, but it's not obvious from the pictorial which one of the 1/4" holes is used.   From where they are located, and where the battery cable runs (along the pan), my first thought would be the innermost hole, but I can't say for sure.  Maybe someone else can pipe in on this.
1571  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Websites that might be of interest to us on: March 20, 2013, 11:01:59 AM
I'm glad I finally visited that link... Smiley    some fantastic photos and old racing scenes and cars....
I've also forwarded the link:
to other car buds who will appricate the photos..
1572  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Subframe Crisis on: March 20, 2013, 09:18:35 AM
Any idea what this was?
.... photos removed for brevity....
I am not sure how bad it is yet, but I will find out soon enough. It looks like the subframe washers have disintegrated. When I loosened them up with the impact driver, the old parts just crumbled into dust. I am hoping that the subframe is ok. And that it does not need to be removed and repaired.
The original plan was not to remove the subframe, but that plan may change, depending on the severity of the rust damage.
If anyone has experienced this situation before I would love to hear about it and hear about some solutions to this potentially nasty situation.
that looks like a mixture of rusted down metal and dirt to me...  You're up north where they salt roads?
You definitely should pull the subframe and derust it, treat it, prime/paint it ..  after all ..  our PRIMARY task with these old cars is to PRESERVE.. Smiley
1573  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 1969 SS/RS 396 need pics of core support area on: March 19, 2013, 11:40:21 PM
In hopes it might help you, attached is the photo of my VR and HR mounted to the Rad Core Spt before disassembly of my '69 Z28/RS.
1574  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Heater delete on: March 19, 2013, 11:40:04 AM
I would guess that MOST of the Camaros/Z28s converted for TransAm and IMSA GT racing came originally with heaters, and probably had them removed and a 'homemade plates' made to cover the hole; cutting a piece of metal out would be faster for most racers than finding and ordering the 'delete' plate?   I had two friends who raced '69 Z28's SCCA and in those series, and one of them was ordered (with factory 4-wheel disk brakes) and the other was bought off the lot, driven straight to the shop for conversion, and used the service duty 4-wheel disk brake rear (~$700 OTC jobber price at that time).
1575  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 'EY' coil springs.. update on: March 19, 2013, 11:33:09 AM
Without having all the various springs Chevrolet used on '69 Camaros, it's impossible for me to know how they adjusted spring rate and loaded height for each car weight.   your coil wire is a bit thicker than I measured (assuming we both measured correctly and consistently), thus your spring would be for a heavier weight car.  As you see from the 69 Camaro Usage Chart, there were a lot of different springs, for the multitude of engines they offered in the camaro.

For the Z28, only the following springs were used depending on the additional front end weights for your optional items:

12437     302 Eng. Z28)
0-68                       YF
69 -148                   EY
Over 148                 YH

My car's options totaled between 76 and 107 lbs (from the factory) where the EY spring would be correct, and that was what the original springs were labeled.  If your spring coil wire dia is thicker then it may be the YH spring (for the heaviest of addon weight ranges).   You can check the weight charts to see what options might have added up to the 148 lbs (Plus) to justify the YH spring?  From the charts, it seems it would require a Z28 to have almost ALL the possible options to reach the YH level of spring, certainly it appears the tape player would be required,and that's a rare option.

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