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1546  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1969 California trim tag code mo 44 ? on: October 21, 2013, 11:13:36 PM
Thanks William for the extra information.  I had built myself a spread sheet using the end of month figures but using the actual last day of the month.  I will attempt to improve that using the information you've just provided.  Smiley
1547  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original Hurst Shifter or Not on: October 21, 2013, 11:08:46 PM
I do not agree that we are 'back to square one'.  I believe we've confirmed that Mr Serio is correct (NO DATE CODE, per se), BUT.. we've also learned empirically that the ID code/SN has a month/year encoded into the SN...  which serves the same purpose for us. Smiley
A 'date code' is a marking put on a part purely to record the actual date (time/shift/etc) without any other purpose.    The Hurst ID/Serial number code has multiple pieces of information in it, some of which we do not know, but we've pretty conclusively shown that there is a month and year encoded as part of this SN.   But I doubt they did it just so we could demonstrate originality to a car 44 years later..  Smiley
1548  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor" on: October 21, 2013, 11:00:50 PM
Yes, very nice original car; take care of her and preserve her *G*..
1549  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Replace sagging leaf springs on: October 21, 2013, 09:54:29 PM
there are shops that can supposedly 're-arch' leaf springs, but since I haven't had it performed I cannot recommend it, as I am not certain everyone who does it knows what they are doing.. Smiley
1550  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1969 California trim tag code mo 44 ? on: October 21, 2013, 02:20:18 PM
I'm just trying to make sense of all the numbers...

At 57/hr, they would have had to work more than 8 hr shifts daily to meet the production achieved, as shown in the table below.   (8x57=456, 9 x 57 = 513, 10 x 57=570, 11 x 57 = 627, 12 x 57 = 684, etc...)  

Were they always working two shifts over the entire prod year?  Adding or stopping shifts would seem difficult to do based on manpower?
The impact of adding Firebird production can hardly be noticed....?
 
Norwood Plant         
Month End   work days   Daily avg
   ramping up..?
30-Sep-68   20   607   
31-Oct-68   23   791   
30-Nov-68   20   1076   
31-Dec-68   21   863   adjusting to meet demand?
31-Jan-69   22   897   
28-Feb-69   20   872   
31-Mar-69   21   782   
30-Apr-69   22   615   adding firebird prod?
31-May-69   21   629   
30-Jun-69   21   652   
31-Jul-69   22   232   ??
31-Aug-69   21   435   
30-Sep-69   21   684   back to demand rate?
31-Oct-69   23   666   
10-Nov-69   19   210   69 prod ending
1551  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1968 camaro clone on: October 21, 2013, 11:59:41 AM
Most of those look 'good', except for the one with exposed coils.. Smiley      How pretty can an engine be when it has to be covered over with painted plastic to make it look OK??    Smiley
.. or maybe I'm just too 'old school'...  Smiley   (Small block chevys forever, babee....!  )
1552  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1968 camaro clone on: October 21, 2013, 11:00:51 AM
LS engines are great..  super power, much better gas mileage, esp when you install the appropriate O/D trans with it, but don't you wish the LS engines were not so UGLY?  Smiley
1553  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Z10 on: October 21, 2013, 10:58:03 AM
Man, if you can see a missing VIN plate from those pix, then you are an 'eagle eye'..  *G*   
I think what was meant is since no Vin is provided, it makes it hard to compare with Trim Tag body build # and date aligning. My first thought is if someone is so knowledgeable about the Z10 option, why can't he verify if the drivetrain is # matching? Seems that he leaves out just enough info to make me want to question car.i am not saying it is fake, because there is not enough info, but as knowledgeable as the owner seems...just saying.

Yes, I suspect that's what he meant.. and I misinterpreted..  Smiley   Thanks..
1554  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Z10 on: October 21, 2013, 08:20:21 AM
Man, if you can see a missing VIN plate from those pix, then you are an 'eagle eye'..  *G*   
1555  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Sand blasting... Chassis on: October 20, 2013, 10:53:01 PM
Once you've sanded, scraped, etc.  as well as you can to remove loose rust, Dupont MetalPrep (or similar, such as Jasco) etc can be used to prep the metal for primer and paint...  This is an phosphoric acid which will convert light remaining rust to a different oxide which will accept paint.
1556  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: goodyear polyglas tires on: October 20, 2013, 05:05:48 PM
that's one of the 'characteristics' of bias belted tires...      Fun huh?  Smiley
1557  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original Hurst Shifter or Not on: October 20, 2013, 04:55:49 PM
I'm confident as well Steve, after doing some research this morning.. Smiley   It would be *nice* to know the entire format, but I am confident that the first 2 (or 3) digits specify mo/yr...
1558  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original Hurst Shifter or Not on: October 20, 2013, 11:08:18 AM
Continuing the search....  
...  a long thread on 'Nasty Z28' from 2009, which also supports that Hurst's ID codes contained date information:

http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-157641.html

After all this, I'm convinced that the Hurst ID/SN codes Did contain date information.. All we need to totally document this is written documentation (or ?) from Hurst during that period...
1559  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original Hurst Shifter or Not on: October 20, 2013, 10:48:06 AM
'continuing the search'...   69Znut, on Team Camaro on April 11, 2008, had a very involved posting on Hurst shifters..

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=54774

which will enlighten most of us to some extent if you haven't read it before, and in that posting, he states
"A serial number on the far right of the words HURST Competition Plus was used to perform factory warranty repairs for GM, Pontiac, America Motors (Javelin & AMX) and early 1970 Mustang & Torino’s all used this 3138 housing box. The serial number has no meaning today and is NOT a date code. "

BUT.. his statement that the SN is not a date code, does NOT mean that the initial digits do not imply month and year of production, as that information IS sometimes embedded into manufacturer's serial numbers, and thus far with the examples we've checked this has proven to be true..
1560  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original Hurst Shifter or Not on: October 20, 2013, 10:34:26 AM
In searching for 'date coded GM Hurst shifters', I found the following reference from 3/24/05 on the Supercar Registry:  (from hotrodpaul...
"I need help with the datecode on my 69 Camaro SS 396 Hurst Shifter. It looks to be original with the 3138 number stamped on the side, rubber molded inserts where the rods attach, Chrome round shift handle, etc. The date code reads "39D12K" and the car was assembled in late April. I assume the 9 means 1969, D is April, and 12 is the 12th day, but what does the "3" and "K" mean? I can post pics if needed."

Using the decode schema provided by PaceMe (Steve S) ie. "MmYxxxxx", hotrodPaul's codes translate to:  March, 69..   which is again consistent with the build date of the car (April car, March shifter).

So far, the examples that have been posted are consistent with his schema....
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