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1546  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Front license plate bracket question. on: April 23, 2013, 09:12:13 AM
My ft tag bracket was taken off my car when I purchased the car in 1976 or so (Alabama only requires rear tag), but it still has the plastic inserts, original screws, and even the rubber bumper in it, as well as pretty heavy paint.  I could not see any AAC or any other stamping in it, but maybe if it were stripped I could?   Attached is a photo of one of the screws and the plastic insert.
I also checked my Rear tag bracket (never removed from the car and even with the original seller's tag surround - Joe V Clayton- Arab AL).   No AAc on the rear tag bracket (that I could see), but there was a GM pn 3913608 on the backside.  The tag attachment screws appear the same as the ones in front bracket.  photos attached.
1547  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 69 Z/28 Correct leaf springs, where to buy? on: April 22, 2013, 10:28:14 PM
posting your pix is very easy, Scoop, so long as they are each smaller than 150 KB ; a free software 'light image resizer' works for shrinking them to whatever size you want.  You can include up to 4 images in each post, but the total must be less than 500KB.
if you do a 'reply' to a post, there is an ATTACH button below the text window, which allows you to browse your computer and select the image, or images, you want to attach to your post.
1548  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: my 69 Z being restored on: April 22, 2013, 10:18:14 PM
AND..  the bottom line is that it's coded 'special paint', so basically the original color was whatever color the original owner says it was...  Smiley  and if he wants to say it was painted up like a zebra with black and white stripes..    that might be true too.. for all anyone else knows... Smiley
1549  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 69 Z/28 Correct leaf springs, where to buy? on: April 22, 2013, 11:23:48 AM
If you have to have 'new' leafs, those appear to be very nice, and very close to the original configuration/look..  Let us know how the car sits when you install them.  Did you measure car height before the old ones were removed for comparison?
1550  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: day-2 vintage street rules/point system ? on: April 21, 2013, 10:41:23 PM
And the very best reason to have experts judge your car in such a venue (in my opinion) is to find out new things about your car, which you are bound to learn when others are able to see and comment (and the judge sheets are written and given to you).. Smiley
1551  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: day-2 vintage street rules/point system ? on: April 21, 2013, 11:03:46 AM
Found what I was looking for on the Camaro Nationals website this morning.
It is educational to attend the Camaro Nationals even without your car, to see the cars and learn a bit about the judging.   21-22 June, 2013 in Frederick MD.
http://www.camaronationals.org/camaronationals/images/2013%20flyer.pdf
1552  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 z28 rear brake backing plates on: April 21, 2013, 11:00:15 AM
I recently disassembled to check my rear brakes (69 Z28); I reused all the removed parts, but had to rebuild the wheel cylinders as there was some pitting in the wheel cylinders; the car hasn't been driven in 33 yrs.  Shown below are photos of the brake parts from one side almost ready for reassembly. 
Note the painted part numers on the adjusters (241 in white on one side, 240 in red on the other).  They didn't appear to have been plated prior to installation?
Second photo is a brake drum, where you can see the 'punch out' not yet punched. 
1553  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: my 69 Z being restored on: April 19, 2013, 05:08:46 PM
That's mostly true, but there were some 'unique colors' to each brand.   Pontiac Carousel Red and Camaro 'Hugger Orange' are the same paint..
1554  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Z28 Radiator Re-coring ? on: April 19, 2013, 05:07:17 PM
I took my radiator to a local radiator shop (two of them before I found one who would do what I wanted).. and described what I needed them to do; which was 1) to dis-assemble my radiator for me including removing the top/bottom rails from the core, 2)  I picked up the parts, and cleaned all the parts I was going to reuse (side tanks, tag, brackets, and top and bottom rails); the core company requires that the rails be 'clean metal, no paint or rust., and 3) I shipped off the rails to the core company after first *ordering a '69 repro radiator core, with qualified notes to use the rails I would send them, 4) the 'custom core' was sent to the radiator shop for reinstalling with my tanks/etc.  I held onto all my critical parts until the core was returned and the shop called me (for fear damage might occur if they laid around the shop for a couple of weeks).   Three days later I picked up my redone radiator, minus paint..  because I wanted to paint it myself.

The radiator shop told me that they only had to heat up the rails all the way across to remove from the core... (each little fin is soldered to the rails)..
they said 'no problem' for them, but I have no idea how I would have done it.. Smiley
1555  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: my 69 Z being restored on: April 19, 2013, 12:52:18 PM
The 'wild' Chrysler colors (Plum Crazy, LemonLime, etc) were not introduced until the 1970 model year.  I don't recall a 'purple' factory color from any of the manufacturers prior to 1970.  At the time, the Chrysler wild colors were VERY different... Smiley   (I special ordered a lime green '70 Roadrunner in the fall of 1969, and bought my wife a '70 Challenger RT/SE in the plum crazy color in 1970.
Incidentally, Chrysler used only Acrylic Enamel in 1970, in fact, even back into the 60's and possibly the 50's.   They were the first of the US auto companies to switch to acrylic enamel (rather than lacquer) and that was one of the reasons Chrysler got the 'quality' rap they did back then.   Ford converted from lacquer to enamel sometime after Chrysler, and GM was the last US company to cling to use of acrylic lacquer (~1980 timeframe)..
1556  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Front license plate bracket question. on: April 19, 2013, 12:07:13 PM
....  I wonder if it was used on any other vehicles besides the Z28. Ever notice how high prices are for Z28 parts? Man, these people are holding these parts hostage and asking ransom type money like we're all zillionaires. 
.. and there are a TON of parts 'misrepresented' to be '69 Z28' parts... on ebay.   Let the Buyer Beware!!  If you do a search for '69 Z28 original used parts'..  you get parts for Fords, GM back to 1928, etc..  Smiley  *Everyone puts '69 Z28' in as one of their keywords, regardless of what the part is for...
1557  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: my 69 Z being restored on: April 19, 2013, 12:04:28 PM
Clem:  Since we don't have the original ordering and factory paperwork for documentation, the basic issue is 'What special paint options' did GM provide in 1969?  Was it limited to existing GM (current year) paint codes, OR did they allow special orders in any color they could reasonably buy the paint for - ie back to 65?
I don't know the answer, but if it was limited to '69 colors, then the Buick sunset silver and olds flamingo silver were '69 GM paint options that are extremely close to the color being discussed.  There was also one or more Cadillac colors that seemed to have a bit more 'pink' than the olds/buick color if that was available for special order also.   What were the 'special paint' rules employed in the Camaro factory (Norwood I assume since you are in PA) for the '69 model year?   Up into the late 70's or early 80's, at least, it was possible to buy 'factory pack' lacquer paint in essentially any prior GM colors used.  I bought a gallon or 'hugger orange' acrylic lacquer in the late 70's that I just popped the top off a couple of days ago.. Smiley

1969 GM colors:  The Buick 'Sunset Silver' and Oldsmobile's 'flamingo silver' shared the same GM Paint code:   WA3956,
1965 GM colors:  The Chevelle 'Evening Orchid' and Pontiac's 'Iris Mist' share the same GM paint code:  WA3308
It would be very interesting to compare the color compositions (formulas) between the two colors; I'd bet we'd all be surprised how little difference there is in the formulas...  and we should all remember that in '65 and '69 (and in fact thru the late '70's into the early 80's), GM only painted in lacquer, which is very subject to fading over the years, depending on the exposure to the sun's UV and the elements.

Example of the '65 WA3308 on a GTO which is extremely close to the exposed paint under the camaro roof rail, and which is MUCH less 'pink' than the b/c paint shown previously on the camaro being restored.

I don't know the answers here, but I do think it's possible that no one in the argument is *wrong*...  Smiley
Without more documentation re the specific order or specific documentation on GM 'rules for special paint' ordering, I think we are all simply voicing 'opinions'.   And 44 yrs after the fact is a LONG time to ask someone questions like "what was the paint code on the order.. etc..."   Hell..  I have problems at times remembering what I had for breakfast this morning.. Smiley

1558  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: my 69 Z being restored on: April 19, 2013, 10:15:03 AM
Clem,

I'm just guessing, but I'd say probably half the folks on this site weren't born yet in '69... Smiley
1559  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: N30 steering wheel restoration on: April 18, 2013, 11:00:51 PM
If the '60's steering wheels are the same material as the mid 50's *(55-57), then I can recommend using 'Marine Tex' as the filler agent.  I've done several steering wheels for fifties car in the long ago past using that material, which I purchased from local marine/boat businesses.   It works great and appears as the original wheel material, but it is a time consuming repair to 'V' cut the bad material around the cracks and provide additional adhesion surface, then file, sand down to the original wheel contour prior to paint.   Using lacquer on steering wheels wears off quickly, and Sauron's suggestion to use a urethane surfacer and paint is a better idea.

marine tex seems to still be available:    http://www.lifeandhome.com/marine-tex-patch-gray-2oz.html?gclid=CIrQzeHr1bYCFUNlMgodVTcAFg
1560  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Z28 Radiator Re-coring ? on: April 18, 2013, 10:35:21 PM
Attached is a photo of the top and bottom rails of my '69 Z28 Radiator after disassembly, beadblasting, and metal conditioning.  This is as they were sent to the core mfg to install on the new core.
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