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1531  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: CRG t-shirts - How to order on: October 26, 2013, 11:22:48 PM
Oh boy, can of worms about to pop open Grin
 What colors are offered? Should they be pull over? Should they be zippered front? Should they have hoods? Can we get some without hoods? If pull over, do we want hood pull strings? Are they going to have pockets? Can we get zippered pockets? Can we get Velcro pockets? Hey... Can I get it without pockets? Can we get the end of the sleeves with or with out the reduced pattern that grips your wrist? Or just the straight sleeve end? And on and on and on....

    Good news is, my two shirts came and are great. JUST a bit small. But I should be losing more weight soon. They look great!! I appreciate the effort  Smiley

 NOW.. we know how much work Mr. Steve and family put into this... SO, I have an idea. Everybody that got a shirt, and is getting a shirt... Send a one dollar bill by mail to him. Cost ya a buck and a stamp. Not a buck a shirt, a buck an order. I have done this in the past with other group efforts like this. It works great. That way it just kinda knocks it down for the family. Maybe 50 bucks, maybe 20, maybe 100 in the gas tank, maybe towards some electrical or what ever?? Then when we order our sweat shirts we throw another buck their way. Come on guys, it's the least we can do. You know this whole thing is taking hours and hours to get all plugged in. And you know they are losing money on the deal. What say ya 'all? Just don't tell the Steve  Wink .... Danny
I totally agree with you, Danny...  Steve's wife doesn't do this stuff for her health, and it's involving quite a bit of Steve's time as well (we're getting a fighter pilot doing our administrative stuff for us!).. Smiley    anyway, I think the price should be adjusted so they make a decent profit and pay for their time (just as his wife would on any other project), but I suspect Steve talked her into a 'good deal'..  Smiley     All we have to do is order the right size.. Smiley
1532  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: black on tailpan on ss cars on: October 26, 2013, 11:12:36 PM
Just came upon this site and decided to add my 2 cents (well 2 cents in '68....probably a quarter today) Anyway, read a lot of posts about the gloss and semi-gloss debate and from what I can tell almost all, if not all, are opinions. Hope this will set the record straight as I actually ordered a new 1968 RS/SS 396 Camaro from Southeast Chevrolet (it no longer exists) on Broadway Ave in Cleveland, Ohio in February of 1968 and it arrived in May. Bottom line................The tailpan was painted a Satin Black when it arrived at the dealership. It was a real striking contrast to the LeMans Blue color on the car. So, unless someone else "Actually ordered" and picked up a new 1968 396 Camaro please consider it an opinion as my statement is fact. Thanks for the opportunity to clear up the debate on this subject.

I think you are right; I totally agree with you as that is what I recall from new ones at that time..  'glossy' black on the tailpan would have really stood out too much, and my mind remembers 'satin'.      Don't you have a pix or two from the first day you bought it? S*
1533  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor" on: October 26, 2013, 12:44:35 PM
That's a perfect plan.. Smiley  and I totally agree on being 'easy and careful' with the compound step, given the softness and age of the acrylic lacquer used..    Good luck!..  and please don't do any unnecessary 'improvements' of the original aspects of the car..  Smiley
1534  Model Specific Discussions / 6-cylinder Camaros / Re: Upgrading a 230 to a 250 on: October 26, 2013, 12:20:55 PM
I haven't ridden in a 230 car (that I can recall), but I do clearly recall riding in a friend's new '69 Camaro with the 250 ci (3 spd) back in 69, and it impressed me with how it performed.. (similar to a base V8 I thought)..
1535  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: CRG t-shirts - How to order on: October 26, 2013, 12:18:13 PM
Hi Steve,

Someone recently asked about sweatshirts; since it is almost wintertime here (been in the 30's in Alabama!), I'd be interested in one also (if you were to include them)... Smiley    (even if just for the small front pocket print)...
1536  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / 67 Z28 sold at auction last weekend? on: October 26, 2013, 12:15:46 PM

The link is for a 'restored' '67 Z28 (restoration aided by Jerry M. per the ad), that sold at auction in Branson MO last weekend.  Does anyone have any further info on this car?  Or what it sold for at auction?
1537  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor" on: October 26, 2013, 12:14:00 PM
The polishing compound would be a good first try, and when you've achieved what you are after, then I'd wax it good to preserve what's left.  In fact, polishing the entire car and then waxing it well is what I'd do to preserve what you have...  A 44 yr old car with original paint is going to have some flaws, but.. those kinds of flaws are 'signs of character'.. *S*    sometimes the fixes for small blemishes can be worse than the blemish..  Smiley
1538  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69Z trim rings - late build car on: October 25, 2013, 10:54:17 AM
My '68 and '69 Z28s had the 4-clip style when I purchased them in the '70's.   at that time, the 4 clip style was the only kind I'd ever seen on original Z28s.   Monte Carlos also used a 15x7 inch rallye wheel from '70 thru '77 which also had similar trim rings (looked pretty identical but were held on by the 'continuous fingers'..    I purchased a new MC in '77, and by then my Camaro trims had a few dents/scrapes around the periphery, and at one time, I *swapped* the trims between the cars (because I wanted the Camaro to look 'better'.   Smiley       Before I sold the MC, I awoke, and swapped back the trims (fortunately) because by then I was becoming concerned about the 'originality' aspects of early Z28s, knowing that would be an issue as time went on..  so my wheels also have 'marks' from both styles of trim rings, and I'd bet (with the numbers of MC s sold over the years, that sort of thing happened a lot, both with original Z28s and with the thousands of 'clones'...).
PS:  The '70 MC *may* have used the same 4-clip style rings, but I'm positive that by '73 or so, the MCs had the continuous finger style), but I don't know exactly when that changed.
1539  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: How to tell the difference between NOS an reproduction 1969 bumper guards? on: October 25, 2013, 08:37:57 AM
If you have the originals, and they aren't eat up with rust, you might consider getting them rechromed at a good chrome shop, and buy new 'rubbers' if you need to?
1540  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Heater core - rebuild or buy new ??? on: October 24, 2013, 10:51:47 PM
Treat it just like a 'small' radiator..  Take it to a radiator shop, have it pressure checked and cleaned.. . repair if necessary.    When I did mine, it was found to be good (no repair needed), so they cleaned it and returned it.    68C is March of '68, and is perfect for your March car.  My 09C (Sept '69 car had a '69J' in it... same month as production, so that may have been the 'norm'??
1541  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: How to tell the difference between NOS an reproduction 1969 bumper guards? on: October 24, 2013, 02:20:28 PM
We had this discussion awhile back, Vince.   Do a search and it should come up, but I've included it below.   I posted a couple of photos of 'NOS' ones I bought from Chevrolet around 1976, and there was even some question whether these matched the production units.
Here is the link:
1542  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1969 California trim tag code mo 44 ? on: October 24, 2013, 02:17:25 PM
I'm just trying to make sense of all the numbers...

At 57/hr, they would have had to work more than 8 hr shifts daily to meet the production achieved, as shown in the table below.   (8x57=456, 9 x 57 = 513, 10 x 57=570, 11 x 57 = 627, 12 x 57 = 684, etc...)   

Were they always working two shifts over the entire prod year?  Adding or stopping shifts would seem difficult to do based on manpower?

They worked two 8-hour shifts. 16 hours x 57 per hour = 912 per day.

Adding or dropping shifts was a manpower training and quality nightmare due to seniority-driven "shift-bumping" - it wasn't done.
Thanks John,

Was the difference in the 912/day, and what they actually achieved, made up in firebird production??  or ??
1543  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z on: October 24, 2013, 08:46:14 AM
They would  'delay' initiating the build, not pull them off during build to 'wait' for the part.     they would not START the build until all the parts were available (but I'm sure there were exceptions to this, as there are with everything).   Anytime the line (or the normal process) is interrupted, it costs $$money...
1544  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Re: Where to buy plush carpet, not loopweave? Molded trunk carpet? on: October 23, 2013, 11:46:40 PM
ACC sells carpet in plush as well, and *may* be able to do your trunk carpet too..?
1545  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: goodyear polyglas tires on: October 22, 2013, 12:11:44 PM
How bad does your car wander on this rubber???
that's one of the 'characteristics' of bias belted tires...      Fun huh?  Smiley
I don't have bias belted on my Camaro, but I have other cars (older) with bias belted, and when I changed from Michelin radial X's to the repro bias belted on my '57 Bel Air.  it was like a different car.  I don't drive it nearly as much anymore..  I'd recommend a nice radial tire if you are going to drive your car.. The advent of radial tires was maybe more significant than modern brakes on the 'handling/safety' of cars..
biasbelts track grooves in the road, and if there's no grooves, they will find 'something' to track on .. Smiley
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