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16  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures on: December 13, 2014, 12:35:15 AM
That's a very interesting video.. Smiley .. especially for me as an old (now retired) engineer, depicting technologies that I haven't used in *decades*, and had totally forgotten about...    manual drawings using drawing boards, etc!  slide rules!  IBM tapes; paper tapes; analog computers; digital disk platters! etc... Smiley  ..  ps.  I still love analog computers!!  Smiley

It should also make it very clear the countless engineers in many fields who are involved in 'designing/building/testing' any new automobile for a major company. 

How many engineers do you think are involved in the design and fabrication of the typical reproduction part made for our cars?   one?  two? maybe?    and testing?   what testing?
17  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: pad stamp? on: December 11, 2014, 11:58:33 PM
People can have differing opinions on such matters. 

Although insufficient information/imagery was included to be anything close to 'absolute', I didn't see anything in the presented data that would cause *me* to think it was not an original block and stamping.  Just my opinion.
18  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1970 Camaro Z28 national press showing car information on: December 11, 2014, 11:54:27 PM
Thank you Kurt!  Smiley

I'm so very glad that this site is informative and fun and not 'nasty'..... as some others might be allowed to deteriorate to.
19  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: if you could go back and redesign the 67/8 .. or that other one, on: December 11, 2014, 11:43:19 PM
I understand what you guys are saying, and there is truth there...  but .. regardless of what the manufacturer does, it is incumbent on the owner/operator to maintain and preserve the vehicle.  I've always kept my vehicles 'clean' from new, even to washing out the wheel wells, and underneath, especially after having driven in nasty conditions (and I'm in the south, so opportunities to drive on salted roads have been very minimal, but I've driven in sandy situations, even on Daytona beach, but I have never failed after driving in situations where the undercarriage (and all it's nooks and cranny's) have opportunities to trap road salts, etc, .. I've always made attempt to *clean* underneath and 'flush out' all the salts and contaminants as soon after as possible.   I've used coin car washes and their high pressure washers much more often for washing underneath and wheel wells than I have for cleaning the top side of a car...

How many of those 'rusted down' cars you've worked on, do you think got treated to that kind of care?   Did the manufacturers PROOF their vehicles so that they'd last 40 or 50 years *regardless* of how they got treated?    No..  and should they have?   No again....  If the owner wants to preserve the things they own, they will..  otherwise..  they won't get preserved regardless of what the manufacturer did.
20  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: if you could go back and redesign the 67/8 .. or that other one, on: December 11, 2014, 02:14:42 PM
In crabby old man voice - "Back in my day we had to walk to school 20 miles up hill both ways in 4 feet of snow!!!"

lol Grin
...  Smiley ..  and.. On skinny tires.... because that was all that was available before 1970...   Smiley
21  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: if you could go back and redesign the 67/8 .. or that other one, on: December 11, 2014, 11:49:15 AM

One major thing if I could go back in time to all the manufacturers would be to increase the wheel well size specifically in the rear, but considering trans am, how about on all 4 corners. Even my 66 chevelle or the early novas , the engineers could have probably had the same cost of assembly and made the inner tubs bigger.

Remember that:

1. "Big tires" didn't exist in the early-to-mid-60's - they were all skinny, for ride comfort.

2. Making the inner rear wheelhouse tubs wider would have compromised the rear seat hip room dimension and reduced the cubic capacity number for the trunk, and those were important in the 60's.

JohnZ...     Some (Or most?) of these guys can't 'remember' that because they weren't around then.. Smiley      THEY think these huge wide tires we have available to us today have always been around....  Smiley
22  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: if you could go back and redesign the 67/8 .. or that other one, on: December 11, 2014, 11:44:52 AM
Better rust protection on sheetmetal.

Personally, I've been pretty impressed by the degree of rust protection Chevy applied to the sheet metal parts.   The ONLY areas on my car which had any rust at all was under the battery (inner fender and frame rail) apparently where battery acid leaked onto the metal parts...  that isn't so bad for 45 years  IMO.. Smiley    (Let's wait another 45 years and see how well the 'restored' cars do... Smiley  )
23  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 67 Camaro on: December 10, 2014, 09:27:32 PM
Darrell loves 67's...   Smiley
24  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1969 Burnished brown Z/28's on: December 10, 2014, 09:23:15 PM
My father was a dealer in the 50-70's.  Select vehicles often had vinyl tops installed to provide ADP.  (additional dealer profit).  Although unusual to have brown vinyl top on Z/28.  Rarely have I heard of a Z/28 to receive an aftermarket vinyl top unless there was a either a defect or a warranty claim.  Nevertheless, I also was the proud owner of Z/28.  As a college student I ordered a new 1969 Burnished Brown Z/28 with white color ever!  Interior in my car had black carpets & dash with white seats and door panels.  Also it had a dealer installed under dash 8 track player; wood grain dash; front and rear speakers, tinted glass, cross ram in the trunk (never installed and sold with the car); cowl induction hood, spoilers front and rear and it did not have a console. Also, it also had a factory installed 1970 Z/28 steering wheel and the car was built in Norwood, Ohio.  Unfortunately I sold the car to pay for grad school and would love to have the car back. I trust that it is a survivor...

So what part of the country were you in when you sold it Kobe?  Maybe someone here can track it down.. Smiley
25  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Craiglist ad 18 1st gen Camaros on: December 10, 2014, 09:15:51 PM
Is that the same place in Texas that was mentioned (and discussed forever) on Team Camaro a few years ago?  Smiley   At that time, the property was for sale which included a building full of cars??  hmmmm.. sure seems similar... Smiley
26  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: if you could go back and redesign the 67/8 .. or that other one, on: December 10, 2014, 01:17:18 PM
Smiley ...  I'm so very glad some of us here are unbiased and open minded..  Smiley
27  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: if you could go back and redesign the 67/8 .. or that other one, on: December 10, 2014, 11:45:44 AM
Cars were (and are) designed for 'street tires'; think how a large wheelwell would look with a tiny little 'standard tire of the day' in it...  it would not look 'cool'.. Smiley

Don't you think the ZL1s, COPO's, Z28's etc of the day (in 1969) would have been outfitted (or at least had option for) a much larger tire than an E-70x15, or an F-70x14 if the tires were available from the manufacturer at that time?

I ordered a new '70 RR in Sept/Oct of 1969.   At that time, the largest 'street tire' seen on street cars was an H70-14.  A friend of mine knew I was ordering a Roadrunner and told me something he'd read in an advance car mag .. ie. that F60x15 Polyglas GT were available on the new RR (if you got a Hemi).  I had no idea what a '60 series' tire was at the time.  I found out I could get it without paying the 12% premium for the Hemi engine, as long as I ordered 'hemi suspension' (that option cost me $15 on the order as I recall).  After I got the car between Thanksgiving and Christmas in late 1969, people were amazed at the size/width of the tires!  I even won bets with guys who hadn't seen them or heard of them who bet me 'their tires were wider'.. Smiley

Besides..  having larger tires/wheels today for our old cars.. gives the customizers and hot rodders something to do... Smiley

28  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: if you could go back and redesign the 67/8 .. or that other one, on: December 10, 2014, 08:16:57 AM

I have to agree..   that's a helluva car... L78 with bench seat 4 speed... and looks great...
29  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Craigslist camaro on: December 10, 2014, 12:05:31 AM
I just noticed the tilt column and red comfort grip wheel, and *behind* the silver/red car in the photo is a hugger orange with white stripes '69.....  Smiley
30  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Service Engines (CE coded) on: December 09, 2014, 11:27:20 PM
Nope, no documentation, but I'm sure from what the original and prior owner told me that it is the engine installed for the service work when the car was only a few weeks old.   I was very interested in them finding the protecto-plate, but I never thought to ask the couple I bought it from if they had any of the service paperwork.   The car has only a bit over 40K miles on it.  It's all original except for the CE engine and 2 repaints (both in lacquer - one by the prior owner in the 80's and the last by me in 99).  Original leather seats, many factory options with the 350 hp 4sp and I retrieved the factory build sheet from the gas tank  to verify it all. 

I got the Protecto plate, owners manual and protective sleeve several years later when the prior owners found it and brought it to me..  (like a Christmas day in July).. Smiley
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