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1336  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 smallblock (302) Oil dip sticks on: February 03, 2013, 06:52:30 PM
Each new poster should copy this and add his information to the list before posting.

type 1)   flattened handle on end, no PN, no plastic tip, stamped "ADD |           | FULL   USE GM 6041-M QUALITY MS OIL   E".  (E turned 90 deg).
type 2)   light green tip on handle, no PN, no dimple,  stamped    "ADD !           ! FULL   USE GM 6041-M QUALITY MS OIL   M".


Member            Production           Dipstick
                     Plant       Week        Type

69Z28-RS        NOR        09C            flat
JOHNZ            NOR        02D            flat
BULLITT65      NOR        08C            flat
RSZMJT          NOR        06A            flat
jdv69z            NOR        10(68)        flat
(add yours here)
1337  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 smallblock (302) Oil dip sticks on: February 02, 2013, 01:08:53 PM
Rather than dump all the *research* effort on Kurt or another CRG member, there's no reason each poster can't add his information to the list.
Using the previously submitted information, I'd suggest something like the below, distinguishing between 'green tip', and flat style, per the earlier identifying posts here and on Yenko.net (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=416817#Post416817).
Each new addition can be added to the bottom of the list by the poster thus we can keep a running tally...

type 1)   flattened handle on end, no PN, no plastic tip, stamped "ADD |           | FULL   USE GM 6041-M QUALITY MS OIL   E".  (E turned 90 deg).
type 2)   light green tip on handle, no PN, no dimple,  stamped    "ADD !           ! FULL   USE GM 6041-M QUALITY MS OIL   M".


Member            Production           Dipstick
                     Plant       Week        Type

69Z28-RS        NOR        09C            flat
JOHNZ            NOR        02?            flat
BULLITT65      NOR        08C            flat
RSZMJT          NOR        06A           flat
jdv69z              ?           10(68)?      flat

1338  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 smallblock (302) Oil dip sticks on: February 01, 2013, 05:16:49 PM
Jim,
It looks identical to the green tipped production unit identified in the Yenko.net link I posted earlier; check it out.   That article also says it should be stamped as such:   "ADD !           ! FULL   USE GM 6041-M QUALITY MS OIL M".
1339  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Zl-2 Cowl Hood Production on: January 31, 2013, 11:41:26 AM
I've got two original Z28 cowl Air cleaners, one off my car, and another from a friend's Z28 that I obtained in the '70's..  Illl check them for that sticker..  Thanks
1340  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 'EY' coil springs.. update on: January 31, 2013, 11:39:52 AM
Ed,
The important parameters when talking to the coil spring mfg is front end weight and  'installed spring height', and when I was researching for the replacement springs, I found GM information on the front end weight for my options, but could not find documented values for the compressed spring height (for a Z28).   I literally spent months and dozens of phone calls and discussions with the mfg before we settled on the spring parameters.

From my memory, I recall original Z28's sat lower in front than say an SS or other similar camaros, but I have not been able to find a value for that from any GM literature or from any posts here or in TC.   The spring manufacturer used 10" for that value and made the springs so that for the GM documented weight on the front end of my car, it should compress the spring to 10".    I HOPE that value is correct..   time will tell when I get them installed and everything back on my car... Smiley
1341  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original/Reproduction Smog Setups for '69 Z28?? on: January 31, 2013, 11:32:17 AM
In my searching, I've found several options for a smog system (which I've never had on my car since purchase in '76):
1) A reproduction system for around $700 (advertised lots of places)
2) A 100% original '69 system, with hoses, clamps, etc wtih good dates for my car, for a bit over $2000.
3) A combination of 'original dated' parts-including hoses (only repro are tubes and pulley)..  for something under $1000.

Since I'm not even sure I'm going to install it, but want to get one to *store away* for 'whenever'... I have
decided to go with option 3.

I played with early Z28's for 10 yrs or so (from '68 til late '70's) before I even *saw* one with a factory-installed SMOG.   Chevrolet KNEW that Z28 buyers were going to install headers, thus they put no effort into making the factory exhaust manifolds more efficient (rams horn manifolds are much more efficient).   302's do not run great without headers, so although I'm probably going to buy a smog system now, I will likely install the ceramic coated headers I have, but keep everything else original.
1342  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 smallblock (302) Oil dip sticks on: January 31, 2013, 11:22:07 AM
JohnZ,

Your dipstick matches mine.. Smiley..  and match the photos supplied in the Yenko.net link I referenced earlier.   
Note:  I also did fine an older post from you that also supported that, but there is an abundance of faulty information on the Camaro boards about 'correct green tipped' dip sticks.. and that threw me off in finding mine in my junked up garage for a LONG time.. Smiley
1343  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / 69 smallblock (302) Oil dip sticks on: January 31, 2013, 09:20:55 AM
I removed and disassembled my original 302 engine in my Z28 many years ago, stored the parts away (using the 'store' term loosely), and installed a 350 LT-1 engine for awhile.   The car has sat undriven in my garage since 1980, but the last 3-4 yrs, reading this forum has gotten my juices flowing about cleaning up the car, reinstalling all the original parts, etc.  I spent probably a year searching thru my 'garage 'storage' looking for the parts I removed and *stored*... Smiley. but hadn't been able to find a 'green tipped' oil dipstick, which most of the stuff I'd read said my Z28 should have come with.   a week or so ago, I saw a dipstick/tube laying with a pile of 'crap' (in storage in my garage), but noticed it didn't have the green tip, but it triggered my old memory a bit.   This one had a flattened tip on the handle and no green tip, see photos,  so I've been searching for information on original '69 Z28 dipsticks.
I came across a great thread and post on Yenko.net regarding '69 Z28 dip sticks..  link below for anyone wanting some great data!!

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=416817#Post416817

This thread and post with labeled photos, seems to totally address the question of '69 Z28 dip sticks.. Smiley
AND.. I find that I do have my original dip stick..  which makes it even more great!  
1344  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Zl-2 Cowl Hood Production on: January 31, 2013, 08:43:37 AM
Is there a 'code' stamped somewhere on the air cleaner?  First I've heard of that.. or are you referring to a 'paper sticker/label'??
1345  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / 'EY' coil springs.. update on: January 30, 2013, 10:50:53 PM
A few months ago, I was dismantling my front suspensioni for rebuilding, intending to just clean and replace ball joints/bushings/rubber...  but ALAS.. I found one loop of one of my springs was broken (the bottom loop.. still lying in the bottom of the cup).   When I got them out, i also found both springs still had their original 'EY' factory tapes on them, so at least I knew what I needed.   I spent a couple of weeks looking ..  ordered what was supposed to be the original replacement (MOOG) ..  tried two different spring numbers recommended here and in TC..   but neither of them even *looked* like the springs I removed (wrong number of coils, different wire dia etc).    When I requested help, Steve Shauger recommended I contact Coil Spring Specialties (Lenexa, KS).. so I did.   They do custom springs for just about any application.   I sent them my one good original spring, and we had many discussions on the phone and via email over a couple of months.   My concerns were that the replacements...
1)  had the same number of coil loops (Cool
2)  had as close as possible to the same wire thickness and free length (equivalent)
3)  Had at least the equivalent spring rate (new 340 lbs/in vs 320 measured on the old one)
4)  Sat no higher than my origiinal spring when static loaded in the car - yet to be checked.

Today, I finally received the springs via Fedex.   Cost me $209, plus shipping my spring out there, which is more than twice the cost of the *replacement MOOG numbers* via Autozone/Advance/etc, BUT...   the springs LOOK like my original spring.   See photos of the two new springs flanking the original spring!    The only remaining things to do is to assemble the front suspension, reinstall ALL the parts I've removed for cleaning..  Smiley... and check the ride height!    I'll let you fellas know how it works out.   In the meantime, if anyone else wants to duplicate the original EY spring, Coil Spring Specialities has the data now from measuring my spring and producing my new springs.. so it should be lots easier/faster and cheaper for them to pop a couple off for you.   OR you can wait to see how mine work out.. Smiley

PS.  I asked them not to paint the springs, so they are bare steel right now.   Should I clear coat them?  or ??

Gary
1346  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 1969 SS350 muncie 4 speed tunnel hole template on: January 30, 2013, 10:36:02 PM
No problem Lynn..  I've gotten so much help and information from the members of this site, the least I can do is try to help someone else when I can.   I hope it all works out for you!   Gary
1347  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: L89 Camaro At Mecum, Not So.... on: January 30, 2013, 09:56:31 PM
If it has a different engine code, then I'd call it a different engine...  The one in the Mecum auctioni sounds to be a 'replacement L78' (not the oen the factory installed, with added aluminum heads... making it into a 'defacto' L89, but not a factory L89.   The *code* tells the entire story, and the SN on the block identifies the car it came from the factory with.... like all the engines.
... so it's a different day.  but with lots of *resellers/fakers*..  it's the same old sh*t...
1348  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 1969 SS350 muncie 4 speed tunnel hole template on: January 30, 2013, 01:25:24 PM
Lynn,

I had much difficulty posting pictures of my cutout and template here in CRG.. maybe I don't understand what the image limit it..  I thought it was up to 4 images, each no greater than 150KB?   Anyway, I finally sent you photos of my floor, from below and above, and a photo of a template I made per your specs.. Smiley ..  in email..

Gary
1349  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: L89 Camaro At Mecum, Not So.... on: January 29, 2013, 12:34:22 PM
Haven't I heard before that the L78 was the engine, and the 'aluminum heads' were just an additional option on the Camaros?
1350  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Ignition coil numbers on: January 29, 2013, 12:32:59 PM
Thanks for the comments:
I did a little digging last night, and found some old posts (one good one by John Z) which basically said that 'cowl induction cars go the 1115270 coil (assembly).    which makes sense given the installlation requirements that the bracket would be different.  both 302, with cowl, and L48 (Z11) at least used the same 270 'assembly'.   also found references that 'high performance' cars used the 270 coil..  so there's some discrepancy, or illogic, or something that still contains some confusion, mostly re the use of the coil/bracket assembly as one PN.   Strange...  Smiley    so I need to make sure I have a coil with the 270 embossed on the side to put in my cowl-based bracket..  Smiley
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