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1336  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Z 302 pulley finishes on: June 29, 2013, 05:21:40 PM
That was back in the 'Quality Circle' days... Smiley
1337  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Z 302 pulley finishes on: June 28, 2013, 09:41:35 AM
you're right John.. Smiley
- experienced engineers generally begin with past designs, look at what's been done before, and verify that it's good w/o problems and doesn't need changes
- 'younger', less experienced engineers sometimes like to ignore past designs and history, and do everything 'anew'... 

That said, do you have similar GM requirements spec information for '69 pulleys, in particular the smog pulley?
1338  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: heater control restoration? on: June 27, 2013, 05:23:35 PM
thanks.. Smiley
I'd been very hesitant to try disassembling for fear or ruining it..   
so now, armed with your 'it can be done'..  I will go ahead and do it!  Smiley
1339  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Z 302 pulley finishes on: June 27, 2013, 03:19:55 PM
Thanks John,

It's probably safe to assume that this spec didn't change much between '67 and '69...?   Smiley
1340  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / heater control restoration? on: June 27, 2013, 09:27:54 AM
Is it possible to disassemble an original heater control such as the one *(already disassembled)* in this ebay ad

... and get it back together correctly with original components?    This is not mine, but my original one has some of the 'shrinkage' in the lettered black backing.   What's necessary or available to replace that black ?paper? part?   Do the control knobs just 'pull off'? and will they push back on and stay?  I'm very hesitant to disassemble my good original part unless I now it can be reassembled properly.
1341  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Dusk Blue Z on ebay 06/20/13 on: June 27, 2013, 07:51:43 AM
Well, it's back... starting ask price of $65K now...

Insert Quote
"How about the hood insulation pad retainers? Aren't those wrong? Has the green tip dipstick been confirmed to be ok?"

Those appear to be the Chevrolet OTC items that were available in the mid '70's.
1342  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Not a big Fan of Decals.....but on: June 25, 2013, 09:58:02 PM
thanks MyRed'67..  I saved the link..  Smiley
1343  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Not a big Fan of Decals.....but on: June 24, 2013, 11:21:28 PM
and I know where I was on 17Sept1969 when mine was being built also..  Keesler AFB (Biloxi, MS)..  Smiley
Instructing other young airmen on maintenance of airborne communications/navigation equipment (on F4 phantoms)..
but I don't have a decal..
1344  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Why Are Some Blocks Stamped and Some Not on: June 24, 2013, 11:10:35 AM
I suppose a better way to have said what I was trying to say, is that based on some of the characters of the stamped code being 'different' than those same characters in my own stamping, I was skeptical.   In particular, I didn't like the bottom of the 'Z'.   There was also a difference in the D and the 2 in those stamps.   that said, my opinion does NOT mean they are absolutely wrong, it just means I'd have to see a lot more evidence for those blocks and the cars they were in to be 'sure' that they were original stamps.   Maybe Flint engine had a variety of stamps/fonts that I'm unfamiliar with??   Maybe some others who have photographs of many 'known' good stamps can shed better light on those?   What it boils down to is that anything that 'appears' out of the norm of our experiences are met with initial skepticism.    I experienced a few examples of that this weekend at the Nationals, where I was initially skeptical, but on more complete examination of all the associated date, I changed my mind..  Smiley
1345  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Late '69 small block upper Alternator bracket on: June 24, 2013, 10:52:40 AM
Here is the link from Team Camaro that caused me to 'weld up' the larger hole in my original (late) '69 upper Alternator bracket.... Sad

Should remind all of us that there are few if any 'absolutes' when it comes to what a manufacturer did to produce vehicles for sale...
1346  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Parts meet at Frederick? on: June 24, 2013, 09:41:45 AM
Thanks Steve,

After talking with several owners of late 69s at Frederick, there didn't seem to be much doubt, and I confirmed it with my car on my arrival back home.
You have one or more late cars yourself, and you've judged many, so what is your take on the alternator bracket issue?

Maybe we can convince Kurt with more evidence.. Smiley    Were you at Frederick this weekend?   if so, I'm sorry I missed meeting you!

Kurt:  My apologies for screwing up your name on my last post... Kirk
1347  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1969 Z/28 to Rallysport Z/28 on: June 23, 2013, 09:32:11 PM
Simply put, the RS 'stuff' which is required to make the headlamp covers work is a PITA...  Smiley
Be happy your car has the trim without the headaches..  Smiley
1348  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Late 69 parts: was 'Parts meet at Frederick? on: June 23, 2013, 09:27:20 PM
Hi Kirk,

There were several late Camaros/Z28s owners at the show (from my 9C to a couple of 11A's).. and all of these cars seemed to share the characteristics I mentioned.
1)  I've never removed the strikers from my doors, nor even thought about the fasteners holding them before, but I *thought* I recalled 'torx' screws.  When I got home this afternoon, I went down and checked and took pix (attached).

2)  The extra hole in the alternator bracket:   this one HURTS me to repeat it.   After my car sat from 1980 to around 2009, when I began reading team Camaro and CRG .. and renewing my interest and checking parts from my car, I gathered up the parts I'd removed from my car over the years it sat, and my alternator bracket did not 'match' the 'correct' '69 part *(per the standard theory in TC or CRG), so guess what..  I welded up the extra hole and filled it in... Sad

Hopefully no one else with an original car, will NOT modify a part believed to be original just because you are told or you read something different....  Lesson learned here!!

1349  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Parts meet at Frederick? on: June 22, 2013, 08:34:07 PM
I'm sorry I missed you yesterday, Chick..  I actually met someone today that knew you, and knew you weren't there today.   I did get to meet quite a few great folks with super cars, and had some great conversations, and learned and shared information..   Which is the best part of such shows.   
1) I found many more 'late' '69 Z28s that had 'dripper valvecovers'..  so it seems about 10:1 that the factory did begin using dripper valve covers sometime in the late summer..  no idea on the actual date, but some go back to late August '69.
2) I learned that late camaros used 'torx' bolts to hold in the door latch striker, rather than the 'hex/allen' used on earlier cars.
3) I learned that the late Camaros used the '70 type upper alternator bracket, with an additional larger hole in it.
4) I found out where the date codes are on the fenders and quarters, so I can now check those dates on my car.. Smiley
5) I found that few restored Z28s with cowl hoods had date codes on them (confirming that not many Z28's originally came wtih cowl hood option).
6) I got to see and inspect the car and paperwork for  the 'X11' coded Rallye green Z28..  I initially was skeptical upon reading that, but after talking with the owner, seeing their  paperwork, and seeing his original (pre restoration) photos, I now am a believer, but I'd give anything to know how that happened; I believe it will be a very interesting story once it's ascertained how that happened.  PS>  He and his wife are great people whom I really enjoyed talking with at the show! and their car is gorgeous.. Smiley   Note:  their car also has an 'M' cast code block!
7) I met many more neat people with neat cars... too many to mention...

I can't wait to go back next year, in spite of the 14 hrs it took us on Thursday to get to Frederick..
1350  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Survivor on: June 22, 2013, 06:41:30 AM
Just remember that there are *degrees* of survivor, just as there are 'grades' on a restored car..  Most organizations judging 'survivor' cars are heavily weighted on 'originality', with fewer points on condition.  If it's not original part, you get *zero*.. it has to be an original part to get 'condition' points for that part.   The goal is to maintain some good candidates in as original a condition as possible, as that is where the best information resides as to 'how the factory did it'.. or what the factory did.

The *percentages of unrestored original' in the major areas (paint, interior, mechanical) is simply the 'ticket' to the ball, that gets you into that class for the detailed judging.  Just think if that wasn't true!   Once anything had been changed on a car, there would be no reason for an owner to preserve the rest of it... without such guidelines and allowances, we would soon have ONLY modified or restored cars... and what would you use to get *real* information?
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