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1291  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: bell housing on: August 25, 2013, 12:10:47 PM
Attached is a reduced size photo from the ebay auction Charley referenced.   I've extracted it and reduced it's size a little for displaying here.   The residual paint on this bellhousing is consistent with unrestored aluminum bellhousings I've removed from Chevrolets over the years.   The amount of coverage of the factory paint varied but I've personally never found one that indicated complete coverage of the bellhousing from the factory.
1292  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Rally Sport Fenders Correct? on: August 25, 2013, 11:57:37 AM
Yes, agree with John, too little detail to really see anything.    Suggest you take a closer up photo at higher resolution of ONLY one fender front, and post that..  at a file size closer to 150KB...
1293  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: bell housing on: August 24, 2013, 11:38:14 PM
MOST restored cars are what we used to refer to as 'over restored', ie made prettier than when Chevrolet did it... that's especially true when the judging organization(s) rules allow it without point deductions.   When I've judged at national shows in other organizations, we deducted for 'over restored' items or areas.   examples were:   bc/cc paint where lacquer was used originally (and yes, I dont' want to get into another argument/discussion over the reasons for that here).. Smiley,  buffed or polished paint where factory only 'sprayed it and forgot it'..  or gloss paint where factory used semi-gloss or semi-flat...
1294  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Sales receipt VIN only number off on: August 24, 2013, 11:52:43 AM
CRG lists the SS options and prices as such, probably based on 'initial pricing at beginning ofyear?"..   the purchase order was at the end of the year, and typically is a bit more:

SS/350-4bbl   -L48      $200
SS/396-325hp -L34     $250
SS/396-350hp -L35     $350
SS/396-375hp -L78     $470
SS/396-375hp -L78/L89     $868.95
1295  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Original T/A racing photographs, late 60's & early 70's on: August 24, 2013, 10:31:32 AM
James, it for sure is a '67 but they put '68 doors on it, a '68 grille and side marker lights to make it looks like the current year model for the '68 season.
It's been returned to a '67 look and is currently owned and raced by Tony Hart... http://www.historictransam.com/Drivers/TonyHart67Camaro7.html
The white painted car, with the bright rallye green stripes and accents is different, and striking!
1296  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 paint code 52 Garnet Red, need help! on: August 24, 2013, 10:27:42 AM
James,

Smiley  I agree with the first part of that (lacquer painted car should get the *most* points, whether it be 'unrestored' cars (which may have had parts repainted), OR restored cars, with total repaints.   BUT...    I can't remember how many years it's been since I saw a factory 'lacquer' painted Camaro with orange peel; it was probably in the early '70's.. Smiley     Lacquer is so soft compared to today's paints, that it didn't take too many washings, and polishing/waxings, to totally smooth down any orange peel that came out of the factory (Although, GM got credit for having the BEST factory finishes among the major manufacturers and a big part of that was their paint finish, as the lacquer did get a factory buffing (I think), OR the paint process didn't leave them much peel...   Even a new '77 Monte Carlo I ordered in mid '77 did not exhibit noticeable orange peel when new (although it was the worst designed new car I ever purchased).   I suspect the fast drying nature of lacquer minimizes probability of orange peel in the finish, along with it's softness that doesn't take much buffing to eliminate it.
1297  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 paint code 52 Garnet Red, need help! on: August 24, 2013, 09:55:22 AM
I agree with James' statements below, except for using the word 'correct', implying that a paint job on an early Camaro can be 'correct' using base coat / clear coat paints...  it might be the best choice using todays paints (for a metallic color), but it can never be 'correctly' restored with that type of paint. (Also recognizing that the major Camaro organizations that judge restored cars now seem to accept b/c paints without penalty).

With non metallic colors, one can use single stage urethane (as James states) with catalyst, and have just as durable a paint job as b/c urethanes, but be a little bit 'closer' to being 'correct', but still is not the factory original paint type.

That said, I follow the same process as James stated for metallic and non-metallic colors, as metallic don't lend themselves well to single stage paint and the sanding/buffing necessary to make it appear as lacquer.
1298  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Steering Column Sticker on: August 24, 2013, 09:42:46 AM
thanks ZLP.. That's a nice piece of information to store away *S*
1299  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Steering Column Sticker on: August 24, 2013, 12:31:59 AM
they look the same as the more legible one hans...
1300  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Sales receipt VIN only number off on: August 23, 2013, 08:27:22 PM
Dealers would be notified ahead of time when a car was being shipped to them, and have copies of the equipment, etc, so this car could have been 'enroute' via hauler, and had a buyer lined up.   I know that I've asked about specific cars/equipment in the past, and had the sales people check and tell me they would have one like that in a week or two...
1301  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Holes in choke tower of Holleys? WHY? on: August 23, 2013, 02:18:51 PM
additional squirters was the only possible reason that occurred to me, but I couldn't remember having seen that before (or it had been so long I'd forgotten) *G*   Thanks...
1302  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Sales receipt VIN only number off on: August 23, 2013, 02:07:56 PM
$3355 wasn't a bad price out the door for a very nicely equipped '68SS... Smiley  
(Wouldn't we all like to go order one like that today?) *G*

Gary
1303  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Steering Column Sticker on: August 23, 2013, 11:55:43 AM
How would you go about trying to 'salvage' it?  other than to mask if off and 'restore' around it??   can such a sticker be removed and re-applied after the cleanup or  restoration work?
1304  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Holes in choke tower of Holleys? WHY? on: August 23, 2013, 10:44:16 AM
I've noticed a couple of Holley carbs with holes drilled in the choke tower.. such as the carb body in the ad below.   Why do people do this?  What's the purpose?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-GM-Holley-4-Barrel-Carb-Body-List-3910-67-Z-28-Camaro-396-375HP-67-Date/350854798178?rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D16802%26meid%3D773248289862953085%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D7926%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D350854795157%26
1305  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: bell housing on: August 21, 2013, 09:11:45 PM
the photo posted by Scoop was obviously of a restored car, where 'pretty' was the primary goal.   Originally, the factory paid NO attention to 'pretty' when they painted the engine.   The paint around the edges of the bellhousing was 'incidental' only, and not intentional, thus was not completely painted, although, again, there were variations depending on whose hand was holding the paint gun.
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