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1276  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Charlotte Autofair on: September 18, 2013, 09:51:50 PM
Thanks again Phillip!
We're heading out from Alabama at 6:30 am tomorrow morning..   should be there tomorrow afternoon and thru the weekend... 
We're looking forward to seeing the rest of you whom are attending..

(but this weekend we'll be driving a red GMC Sierra crewcab..   AL-47  plates)

Gary W.  / 69Z28-RS
1277  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Leaf spring removal on: September 18, 2013, 10:17:47 AM
Those bolts screw into a 'captive nut'.. which simply clips into the frame bracket.   The clip portion of the captive nut is much thinner metal and can rust away before the nut does.. and when the clip (that holds it in place) is rusted, then the nut (and whatever portion of the clip that remains) just 'spins' when you try to remove the bolt.  As someone said, remove the head of the bolt (without damaging the other parts) using a cut off wheel or hack saw or chisel?).. and go from there..
1278  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: First time Camaro gen 1 buyer on: September 18, 2013, 10:01:46 AM
Mr Byer,

I second what has been said before about getting as many photos as possible of the chassis, underneath, engine compartment etc.. AND talking to the current owner..  how long has he owned it, What work has he done on it, who did he get it from, where from?, etc..   ie. Find out as much as you can, and if you hear 'anything' that doesn't jive .. then be very careful.   If you like the photos, and the price, then take a knowledgable friend with you to serve as your 'consultant'..  Sometimes when we want something so badly we can 'taste it'..  we lose our perspective.. Smiley    The 'consultant/friend' will see the car much more objectively than you will.. Smiley

If you aren't sure about what you are seeing, or what you want, or what is 'correct' or not re an early Camaro, then I second/third what you've been told before re 'take some time on this site and the TC site'..  read all the posts... examine all the photos..   check out local Camaros for sale, find a club and go to club meetings..  etc..  in short.. LEARN all you can about these cars BEFORE you think seriously of purchasing a car.    With the price these cars can sell for, you can get seriously hurt (financially and emotionally) if you pay for a 'good car'.. and get something much less than that!
1279  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Need paintcode for 67 CC ermine white... on: September 18, 2013, 09:11:51 AM
If your source says the 'color' is no longer available in deltron..  check another source (maybe another state), OR check online sources?  I haven't checked for ermine while lately, but it's difficult to believe they can't mix it up...
1280  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: First time Camaro gen 1 buyer on: September 18, 2013, 09:10:04 AM
On my '69, I was able to see the hidden VIN under the cowl panel without removing the panel, by using a bright light and viewing thru the cowl vent slots...   From a 'legality' of ownership perspective, he should at least verify that the VIN he's considering purchase of is actually the original VIN of the car by checking at least one of the hidden VINs.   It appears he's not interested in a 'matching numbers' Camaro, or one with 'special mfg features', but just wanting a nice Camaro to drive.   And the car he's considering admittedly is a 'modified' car.    that said, and if he understands that then the only things he really needs to verify are:
1) Is the VIN correct (this is a legal issue wrt ownership of the car)...??  If this isn't true.. then RUN..
2) Does the car exhibit signs of improper rust or wreck repair? 
3) Does the modified car have the features he desires in a driver Camaro (ie. engine, trans, brakes, interior, etc)?
4) Were the modifications performed to his satisfaction?
5) Does he LIKE the way the car looks and drives for the price ...?

IMO the trim plate only states how Chevrolet built the car initially, and once a car is modified (and if the owner is happy with it), it really matters now at this point in time.
1281  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 Z/28 Power Brake Hose Bracket - Original? on: September 17, 2013, 10:19:39 PM
The bracket labeled 'AAC' appears correct, matches what is on my car....
1282  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Crossram manifold on: September 17, 2013, 09:09:50 AM
I remember the blue maxi, as I have that magazine somewhere in my collection, but I don't recall the 'green meanie'..  Do you have any color photos?  Smiley
1283  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Charlotte Autofair on: September 16, 2013, 09:52:49 PM
It's too bad we don't have our CRG shirts as yet..  *S*  s o we'd all know one another..  Smiley
Maybe we can put a 'CRG' sign around our neck..     Smiley
1284  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1967 Camaro Convertible Vin decode on: September 16, 2013, 11:01:50 AM
Weren't '67 Pace Cars all painted the turquoise color?   Is it possible that this is one of them, or was there a special code as well?
1285  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: First Ford Mustang sold to public story on: September 15, 2013, 08:50:07 PM
Like any 'new' car that comes out, being the *first one* to have one loses it's significance once many are on the road.   THE MOST significant new unit which never loses it's significance is the SNxxx0001.. ie. the 'lowest sn' built for sale to the public. sometimes it's snxxx001 and sometimes it's not.   The first C5 Corvette built which was placed into public hands was Snxxx007, which was given to the NCM, and auctioned off for about a year to see who won it!
1286  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Decode a 1969 protecto plate ... Having difficulty on: September 15, 2013, 12:37:09 PM
from the mirrored P-t-P:
From Protectoplate info:
Sold to Mrs A.W. Kirby on 5 June 1969

VIN:  124679N624455  69 Camaro, 8cyl Convertible, Norwood (OH) assembly  seq num 624455. likely built on Wednesday, 2 April, 1969.
 
C   = Carter Carburetor

4    =  build month  (April '69)

133  = option codes

Engine code  T0313HB which decodes to a 350ci / 300 hp engine build in Tonawanda on March 13th.   Your engine had a 4 bbl carb    and typically had a Turbohydramatic behind it.
Trans code:  Y9A31  =   Turbo350, built on  January 31, 1969.
Rear end code:  BL 0117 G   (3.07:1, 12 bolt, non posi assembled Jan 17th)..  If the code is BI ... it's a 2.73.
1287  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Did all 69Z28 cowl induction breathers have a flat bottom ? on: September 15, 2013, 11:25:46 AM
Yes, mine was a single piece of metal, stamped out, and has all the typical deformations from such an operation, but the 'seam' on the bottom of yours I thought was a joint?  a welded joint?   If not, then what is it?
1288  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Decode a 1969 protecto plate ... Having difficulty on: September 14, 2013, 10:31:00 PM
I think you misinterpreted at least one of the numerals, and possibly more.  Best way to 'mirror' is to take a photo and then mirror the resulting image.. should allow you to read it correctly.    The PP provides your VIN number, and the stampings on your engine, trans, and rear end ( believe) at least..
1289  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Did all 69Z28 cowl induction breathers have a flat bottom ? on: September 14, 2013, 10:27:16 PM
Thanks Steve,  That should give everyone a good comparison between 'flat bottom' and 'seamed bottom'.
Question:  is the seam on yours welded all the way around?  or ?
1290  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 69' Z28 on eBay in DB ? on: September 13, 2013, 11:30:10 PM
Yes, I thought it was blue as well...  it may be mostly the lights, but it does look like someone added a little blue to the silver mix.  *G*.. OR maybe the clear coat helps with that too?
and Thanks re the corvette.   I've only had that one 23 years... I repainted it lacquer about 16 yrs ago..
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