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1276  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 67 convertible 6 cyl 3 speed rare?? on: December 16, 2013, 05:20:42 PM
I'd only be interested if it were unmodified.....
1277  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 67 convertible 6 cyl 3 speed rare?? on: December 15, 2013, 07:03:02 PM
I like it.. Smiley     Wanna sell it?
1278  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z28 Engine Bay Pic's on: December 14, 2013, 02:25:15 PM
I wonder, was there some order the stamping occurred?  Was the car inspected in a certain sequence?

All three inspectors (Body, Paint and Trim Shop) were stationed at the end of the Fisher Trim Shop, just prior to the point where the body was shipped "through the wall" to Chevrolet; they worked independently.

John,  We all really appreciate your information and perspective, and I have a couple of questions concerned these 'marks' (understanding that I owned my car for over 30 yrs and never *saw* them, until getting on this camaro list.. Smiley..
1)  Why do some cars have the P T B on both side and and some only one one?
2)  Why do some cars have multiple stamps on one side of the car?  ie. My car had two T stamps... (one down below the trim tab)..
If you don't know of a specific reason for the above, I'd appreciate your 'best guess'...?

1279  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Looking to get lots of photos for the Home Page for 2014 on: December 13, 2013, 11:13:53 PM
We;ll call that one 'in process'..  Smiley    and I bet you made all your panels on that english wheel I see in the background?  Smiley
1280  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Trim Tag on: December 13, 2013, 10:31:10 AM
    Thanks for the info and I do understand that the body number was not sequential.  I will never get the correct body number without the paper work but still would like to know what was around it. The 2 cars I know built 11C are 6798 cars apart and the body number is 7037 numbers apart and the oldest car or one built first had the larger number which is not in sequence.  I believe I will have a special tag made after I get the car built something like the one you described. Thanks Gary

And rather than 'paying the counterfeiters', you could also make your own tag (from Aluminum or ??) have it engraved or embossed the way you like... paint it .. or not.. and mount it in the TT location in the same holes.   Seeing or knowing a 'fake trim tag', makes me dislike the whole car, whereas seeing a TT made with the love you have for your daughter, would make all of us LIKE it even more than what the car itself is.. Smiley
1281  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Top post vs side post batteries. on: December 13, 2013, 08:43:07 AM
Hello everyone.  My first post here and my first 69 Z-28 a week ago!  This forum has been a great collection of information for a first time owner.  I did some searching on the site and did not seem to find any information on the availability of the top post vs side post batteries on the 69 Z.  Mine has side post cables and a Delco replacement battery.  I don't think this would be the correct cables for the car, but thought I would ask here.


Beginning around June of 1969, Camaros were fitted with side post batteries.  if you have original GM part numbered side post cables be careful with them as they are 'in demand'... Smiley     check the build date on the trim tag, or provide this list with your VIN and we can answer your question with more certainty.
1282  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Age Groups of Our Hobby on: December 12, 2013, 09:52:21 PM
I tell my kids and grandkids that I'll probably have to *turn my cars into food* in my retirement..  Smiley
1283  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Trim Tag on: December 12, 2013, 08:56:08 PM

VIN numbers are sequential..  Body numbers are NOT sequential, and you cannot 'narrow in' on a body number based on production date or anything else, unless you have the original orders where the cars were ordered from GM.
1284  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Mecum z28 on: December 12, 2013, 02:37:21 PM
For whomever was complaining about 'rusty' fifties cars in their area, there are some other possibilities right now.  I haven't seen this particular company's bodies, but it sounds good...  ie.   a 55 150 sedan, maybe with Nomad wheel wells out back?  Smiley
1285  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Mecum z28 on: December 12, 2013, 02:25:40 PM
Very cool projects guys. I have a dart 383 ready for a body. Ohio stuff is too rusty. Thought about putting it in my z but it needs to go in something else. Since I got the GTX I can baby the z and abuse the hemi! It likes abuse, in real how it pulls.
Couple years ago a guy had a Florida 56 for sale he got from a storage unit sale. Great body no motor. And no title. Kinda scared me off.
Janobyte where are you located?

Florida may not have been a 'title state' in 1956...  Alabama didn't become a title state until 1975 model years.  Prior to that, either a bill of sale, or a tag receipt is considered 'proof of ownership', and if sold into a title state, a title in that state can be obtained.
1286  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: gray phosphate on: December 12, 2013, 10:05:24 AM
I have only used 180-190 temps for phosphating. You don't want to start a boil or else you'll start to get crush developing in the pot and that is hard to clean out. I learned that the hard way until a gun restorer showed me that 210 is too close to boiling and after backing it down to 190 things went much better.
You will also want to use a diffuser under the pot to prevent hot spots from developing.

I agree Mike.  If I get close to 200F, I'm happy with the temp.   What do you use as a diffuser?

1287  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Trim Tag on: December 12, 2013, 09:59:35 AM
Unless you have a means to *KNOW* the original body number of your car, you would have to GUESS which body number to put on any FAKE (not reproduction) TAG.   The body numbers are NOT as important as VIN numbers, BUT.. they are still UNIQUE to the body they were installed on.   

IF you buy a fake trim tag, either you or the 'counterfeiter' will have to guess the body number, and there is a very small probability you will guess the correct one, and a very high probability you will select a body number that will duplicate a REAL car out there.

Suggestion:  If you really want to install a tag there (to fill up the rivet holes? or?)..  and if you really want to pay the counterfeiters for a fake trim tag, why not have them make one like this:

       Camaro VIN _____________
       Rebuilt by ______(your name) ________
       FOR my daughter ______(her name)____
       Date ________   Color ______  Trim ___

ie.. Commemorate the occcasion of this build by you for your daughter!!
1288  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: gray phosphate on: December 12, 2013, 09:49:19 AM
I use a small one burner hot plate and a set of various sizes of SS pots I purchased at Walmart.    and the Palmetto chemical.  For small/med amounts of water, the hot plate works fine and heats up within a few min, but I tried once with a 3 gallon pot and I'm not sure I ever got to 200F using the hot plate.   I think it will be better to use a propane heater for larger amounts (and do it outside) - another use for the burner/stand taht I use for my turkey fryer!).. Smiley
The Process is:   1) heat water to 200-210F, 2) add appropriate amount of chemical, mix, then 3) submerge the part(s) - I generally try to circulate the solution or the part while it's in the bath.  4) upon removal, wash/dry parts in WD40 (3 times).   I generally spray down again with WD40 and put the part in a plastic ziplock bag until I'm ready to install.
1289  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Mecum z28 on: December 11, 2013, 09:32:17 AM
I think you are right about the times. People that are spending bucks are either investors or people that want that car they had or wanted back in the day. When the age group that want them are gone or too old the investors will not have a market and I believe they will come down. Years ago you would snubbed for modifying a 55 chevy but now it is commonplace because most of the real 55 guys are just not in the market. The muscle car guys now probably average around 60 years old judging from car show attendance, so time will tell soon enough.

There's some truth to your first statement, to wit all the loriginal or restored model A Fords which have dropped in price and are now being purchased for little or nothing, to be modified high tech... (to again bring big $$$)...

but as for your 55 Chevy example, I don't agree..     '55 Chevy's have been *modified* almost from day 1.. and yes, beginning in the '70's a lot of them were 'restored'... and currently there is a strong market for both original/ restored '55 Chevys and modified ones.  I suspect the '55-57 Chevy situation will be replicated in the first gen camaro market in years to come.
1290  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Assembly Manual look up on: December 10, 2013, 03:36:27 PM
Try M20  sheet A1    (if your pages are hand numbered around pg 322?)
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