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1261  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Research Topics & Reports / Re: 69 owners with "Pebble-grained" steering wheels (not shrouds) please check in on: September 24, 2013, 07:57:50 AM
VIN difference:    672580 - 672384 = 196 cars difference on the line...

Based on the 21 work days in August '69, and the number of cars produced during Aug, the avg daily rate was 435/day.. assuming a single 8 hr shift that month, 196/435 ~ 3.6 hrs difference on the line...

1262  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Re: 1967 Camaro v6 engine on: September 23, 2013, 10:23:49 PM

Do you have the weights of the 230/250 ci 6 cyl engine?   I've been under the impression the weight was very similar to a small block V8 of the same era..?
1263  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1969 Z/28 firewall crayon marks, question? on: September 23, 2013, 10:17:04 PM

The cars/bodies were 'notated' by 'sequence number' on the production line.   This sequence number which might have gone from 001 thru 999 for example, went in sequence, then began again.  The sequence string was long enough that two cars with the same number would never be on the line at the same time.  The sequence number only had relevance for that car and for that day that it was in production.   That number is irrespective of VIN number or body number or any other number. 

(I think I've seen similar sequence numbers written in large numerals in magic marker on the build sheets in the Corvette assembly plant...)
1264  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: date codes on T3 lamps? on: September 23, 2013, 09:12:30 PM
Thanks Phillip!  Smiley  I'll save that data as well..
(My eyes need LOTS of light also now.. so I try to minimize my night time driving)..

I paid $30 for a pair, which included the SS retention rings, and rusty buckets..   I also needed one retention ring.. Smiley

1265  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / date codes on T3 lamps? on: September 23, 2013, 08:02:56 PM
I bought a couple of T3 headlamp assemblies (to get the bulbs) this weekend, supposedly from a '69 Chevrolet.   When I got home and cleaned them up and inspected them, I note that they have a 'code' on the top front which appears to be a 'date code'.   I don't recall ever reading anything about the date codes, as there is a great deal of 'mis information' in general re the various T3 lamps.   Can someone enlighten me on this subject?   Are lamp bulb date codes 'judged' by the ACA?
1266  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Re: 1967 Camaro v6 engine on: September 23, 2013, 07:58:40 PM
Probably a lot (to most?) of the 6 cyl Camaros have been converted to V8's over the intervening 45 or so years...  by itself, it's nothing to worry about (although NOT original), but I'd also want to know what else he changed to the V8 item (springs?, trans?, rear end?, etc).   The trim tag shows you how it was built originally, but after 45 years one has to play detective to see what has been changed, and how well it was done...
1267  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original 1969 standard grille on: September 23, 2013, 07:56:00 PM
Hey Lloyd, your bracket on the grill emblem looks to be installed wrong. Shouldn't it be flipped around? Was it this way on the RS grills?
I think Lloyd's emblem retainer is flipped and rotated, as it should be 'square' with the grill, and with the 'lips' registered around the grill bars.
1268  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Rotisserie on: September 23, 2013, 01:46:59 PM

Here's one for sale on Craig's List.. Nashville, TN area..  $600
1269  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Rotisserie on: September 23, 2013, 12:22:57 PM
you could make your own, build what you need for your car, and practice up on the welding at the same time.. Smiley
1270  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / 69 Camaro and Firebird bucket seats? on: September 23, 2013, 07:46:50 AM
Except for the upholstery/covering, are there any differences between '69 Camaro and Firebird bucket seats?
1271  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1969 Z/28 firewall crayon marks, question? on: September 22, 2013, 09:59:21 PM
When I removed my front clip, I found the number '18' hand written on the side of the cowl 'shoulder' under the driver side fender.  I've no idea what that means, but I cleaned the crud off the area without removing the number written ON the painted surface... see photo.
1272  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Charlotte Autofair on: September 22, 2013, 01:31:03 AM
Phillip, Steve, and I all hooked up this afternoon for a few minutes, finally!    AND..  we were all wearing our CRG shirts...  I guess this could be called the first *assembly* of CRG members all decked out alike..  Smiley
1273  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Charlotte Autofair on: September 20, 2013, 07:59:19 PM

I looked in several places for you today..  information booths, main HNR tent, and finally the car corral (section 1?) where I wa told you'd be this afternoon, never found you, but made a few new friends looking for you.. Smiley

Man, that venue (charlotte motor speedway) is HUGE.. and once the sun came out this afternoon, it got bigger and hotter.   I had to get a cart ride out to the truck when we left this afternoon..   thought I was gonna need fluids via IV.. Smiley

1274  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 Oil Pressure Gauge Block Sender Fitting on: September 18, 2013, 11:04:06 PM
The plastic oil line was new repro,  I had to cut the plastic oil line to remove the compression nut the compression furl and the brass tube insert. Pushed the plastic line though the fitting and installed the brass tube insert into the end of the plastic tube, screwed the fitting in the female fitting, but still could not get the plastic tube to bite onto the fitting no matter now much I tighten the fitting.

Use a new compression ferrule and a new section of line.
1275  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: First time Camaro gen 1 buyer on: September 18, 2013, 11:02:55 PM
Others have indicated your TT date and the VIN do NOT match up in time... so if the VIN is the original one (ie. .. matches the hidden VINs), then the TT has been changed, but that  TT is basically a 'manufacturer's plate'..   same as that little plate on the back of most refrigerators, computers,e tc..  which identifies the model number, mfg, etc..   your car will run just FINE without a trim plate.. and it has nothing to do with ownership.  It's only critical if you are *showing* the car in original classes, or 'playing the matching numbers' game..  Smiley   

Note:  If it's true what was posted earlier, that your VIN was for a December built car, and your TT was a September date, then it seems beyond possible that they both were on that car from the factory.
What you should do is this:

1)  Check the hidden VINs against the title VIN and the displayed VIN on the car.   if these do not match, DO NOT THINK ABOUT purchasing this car.  you could pay good money for it, and then have another owner claim the car and you LOSE... everything..  car.. $$$$..  money everything.   You should suggest the current owner run the REAL VIN (the hidden VIN) with law enforcement to check if it's stolen (but DO NOT BUY IT).. Smiley

2)  IF the VIN's all match, assuring you that the title is the correct one for this car, and you are buying it from the titled owner, and if you like everything else about the car, then you might want to buy it...  you WILL be the legal owner per the VIN and title.

The TT has NOTHING to do with legal ownership.

PS.  Kurt indicated that he thought the VIN was probably changed, but that would indicate a STOLEN car.   IMO that's less likely that the TT was changed out.  LOTS of people change our the Trim Tag simply to make the car look more desirable (ie. take one from a September car and put it on your Dec car).  It's NOT a good thing, but it's not illegal, although it's unethical and immoral... and it's done to *fool* people (namely buyers).
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