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1261  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Undercoating on inside of quarter panel ??? on: January 09, 2014, 12:31:39 PM
Here's the original undercoating on the inside of the rear quarters in the trunk of my 02D '69 Z/28 - pretty sloppy, doesn't appear that any kind of mask or pattern was used. None of it has flaked or shows any sign of failure under the spatter paint after 45 years.

I agree John... where it appeared from viewing my car that a 'mask' was used , was inside the front inner wheel wells.
1262  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Ziebart... How to remove it? on: January 09, 2014, 12:28:43 PM
Yep, I know how much difficult it is... and this car is still 'whole and assembled' which makes it even worse.  

This car doesn't belong to me, but it's potentially a very valuable car (only 188 LS-6 Corvettes built).  A '71 LS-6 is a 454 engine with aluminum heads, aluminum (low rise) intake, and big Holley carb (rated 425 hp in '71).  This is as close to an L88 Corvette you could buy post-1969 model year.  I think for the owner to maximize the value (should he ever sell it), he needs to get it judged at Bloomington, or at a major NCRS show.. (the mods are wheels, valve covers, front spoiler).. mostly minor items.  The big items are all there..  The car needs a good careful cleaning, and then there's that Ziebart..  Sad  
1263  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 SS RS Convertible on ebay on: January 09, 2014, 09:58:37 AM
What I find humorous:
- Restored to near perfection
And then states
- kept in beautiful and orginial condition its whole life
Well which is it..  lol

I agree..   the seller was in a quandary..  what to write?  So he decided to cover all the bases?  Smiley
but I loved the color combination and options on the car....
1264  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Ziebart... How to remove it? on: January 09, 2014, 09:56:55 AM
Why remove it? It would take a lot of time & effort to remove and personally I don't think it affect the value very much.
However, it can be removed with mineral spirits; just spray or brush it on and let it soak in to soften the coating, then scrape and re-apply as needed.
I've removed old undercoating using that technique...  so this is similar...?
1265  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Ziebart... How to remove it? on: January 09, 2014, 09:05:00 AM
I'm from the south, and don't very often see a Zeibarted cars, but last week I traveled to a state a bit north of here to evaluate/assess an LS-6 '71 Corvette.   Turned out to be a real LS6 car, one owner, PTP, lalways-garaged, 32K miles.. but with a few minor mods, needing a good cleaning, but the worst thing (IMO) was the Ziebarted underside.     This was a solid car that had it applied after 10 years or so (1980?), but the metal was very good... just this black crap all over everything... Sad

I've never tried to remove anything like this, but is it feasible to do?  How much do you think this affects value of such a car?
1266  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: just bought a 67 RS/SS350 survivor on: January 09, 2014, 08:55:16 AM
Sounds like a great find, and beautiful (and rare) color combo...  The black lends itself very nicely to a single stage urethane paint.. which can be cut and polished to appear much like a high-end lacquer paint job, but much more durable. 

Sorry I can't help with SLC painter recommendations...
1267  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: If Anyone is Interested in a 67 Pace Car on: January 09, 2014, 08:51:39 AM
What a deal?

Maybe it's owned by a 'country music star'??  Smiley    adds 2X value you know.. Smiley
Alan Jackson is a possibility, as he owns many nice classic cars.. used to bring them to our car shows.
1268  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 1967 Trans-Am season review on: January 08, 2014, 09:07:32 PM
Thanks Bob.. Smiley

I bet I couldn't handle one of those cans today, certainly not the way I could 35-40 yrs ago.. Smiley   
1269  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Undercoating on inside of quarter panel ??? on: January 08, 2014, 09:04:07 PM
The factory undercoating/sound deadening inside my original inner fenders seems to have been applied in a very specific pattern, almost as if they used a mask.  Does anyone if this is true for sure?  and are masks for those patterns available?
1270  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Floor drain plug direction - face up or down? on: January 08, 2014, 04:57:13 PM
it seems to make sense that they would be stamped with week of productionl.. and that some would be stamped so lightly as to not be visible, or be very hard to read after 40 yrs...?

It would be interesting to note stampings as "H" sure seems to be the first letter used in many. Looking at stamped plugs some for sure seem to have been roll-marked, meaning a mechanical stamper was used which rolls circular to stamp. Used in high volume stamping!
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=2438.0;all
I left my plug that was loose, sit in a solvent last night, and took another look today.   The stamping on it is   'H 3 6'..  my car was build week 38...    (what does the H represent?..  the mfg?)..
1271  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 1967 Trans-Am season review on: January 08, 2014, 04:16:15 PM
Nice pics..  Smiley     Seeing the refueling photo reminded me of being 'refuel man' in a friend's pit crew at a couple of IMSA races at Road Atlanta... Smiley   I can't recall how much fuel one of those cans held (8 gal?) but they was pretty heavy ...  especially after pulling two of them full in a little red wagon from the fueling station.. Smiley
1272  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Subframe markings? on: January 08, 2014, 02:24:58 PM
I was digging thru some photos today of photos I'd made when disassembling my front clip, and I came across and remembered finding a yellow ink stamp on the subframe (I think this was behind one of the frame extensions to the bumper).  
The photo attached shows this marking.   Is this something that occurs on all of them?  Is this maybe part of a stamped part number?   Any comments appreciated...

The yellow letters on my subframe (under the bumper bracket mount location) appear to be a PN... although I cannot read them all.  I went to the Chevrolet P&A today (30A dated 1Oct1970) and found the following under section 7.003  FRAME ASSEMBLY.  

"The left hand side outer member will bear the frame identification with characters stamped ahead of the rear bumper bracker attaching slot.  The top line of this identification will provide the part number of the frame assembly, the name of the manufacturer (abbreviated, ie. Pontiac-Pon, Smith - S, Parish Pressed Steel - PPS).  The bottom line will provide the month, day, year, and shift number."

For that section, only full frame cars were listed, so I'm still looking in the P&A for the 'subframe' section to find the PN, but the notation above reflects *exactly* where these yellow numbers were stamped on my subframe - ie. left hand side, behind/under the rear most bumper bracket mounting slot.   Section 7.010 entitled  MEMBER - EXTERNSION-REINFORCEMENT-WASHER, Frame Cross, Front'  includes
    67-69 Camaro
    68-69 Chevy ................................3954642            1          $120.35       side and cross (note 2_)
         NOTE 2:  When used on 1967-68 models it will be necessary to re-work control arm bumper per instruction sheet and use 1969
          stabilizer shaft  3955782.
... Is the part number above the '69 subframe PN? (3954642)??
actually now I'm thinking that part numeral I can read is probably the 'last line'.. ie.   month, day, year, shift..   seems I can read a ...7309... which could be 7 for july, 30 for day, 9 for year  which corresponds well to my Sept production date.

Has anyone found a 'cleaner/more complete' id number on an original first gen camaro subframe??
1273  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: New Z28 Pricing.... $75K??? on: January 08, 2014, 12:49:52 PM
that will be some crashed corvettes Wink

YEP!!    hopefully the drivers will survive... to learn....
1274  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 69 Muncie Transmission tag (pn?) on: January 08, 2014, 12:48:40 PM
Paul,

Yes, the VIN is stamped along with the application code and the transmission is original, but I didn't know about the tag itself (although most of these were tossed away and back in the '70's when I bought this car, no one would have put one on that didn't belong.  I believe this transmission has never had the side cover off....  car has 75K or so miles (thru 1980..  not driven since).
1275  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / 69 Muncie Transmission tag (pn?) on: January 07, 2014, 11:32:21 PM
The following tag is on the Muncie transmission (M20) in my '69 Z.. which I believe to be totally original.  can someone confirm this is correct for a '69 Muncie M20?  I think the PN reads:   3946797...
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