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1261  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 Oil Pressure Gauge Block Sender Fitting on: September 18, 2013, 11:04:06 PM
The plastic oil line was new repro,  I had to cut the plastic oil line to remove the compression nut the compression furl and the brass tube insert. Pushed the plastic line though the fitting and installed the brass tube insert into the end of the plastic tube, screwed the fitting in the female fitting, but still could not get the plastic tube to bite onto the fitting no matter now much I tighten the fitting.

Use a new compression ferrule and a new section of line.
1262  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: First time Camaro gen 1 buyer on: September 18, 2013, 11:02:55 PM
Others have indicated your TT date and the VIN do NOT match up in time... so if the VIN is the original one (ie. .. matches the hidden VINs), then the TT has been changed, but that  TT is basically a 'manufacturer's plate'..   same as that little plate on the back of most refrigerators, computers,e tc..  which identifies the model number, mfg, etc..   your car will run just FINE without a trim plate.. and it has nothing to do with ownership.  It's only critical if you are *showing* the car in original classes, or 'playing the matching numbers' game..  Smiley   

Note:  If it's true what was posted earlier, that your VIN was for a December built car, and your TT was a September date, then it seems beyond possible that they both were on that car from the factory.
What you should do is this:

1)  Check the hidden VINs against the title VIN and the displayed VIN on the car.   if these do not match, DO NOT THINK ABOUT purchasing this car.  you could pay good money for it, and then have another owner claim the car and you LOSE... everything..  car.. $$$$..  money everything.   You should suggest the current owner run the REAL VIN (the hidden VIN) with law enforcement to check if it's stolen (but DO NOT BUY IT).. Smiley

2)  IF the VIN's all match, assuring you that the title is the correct one for this car, and you are buying it from the titled owner, and if you like everything else about the car, then you might want to buy it...  you WILL be the legal owner per the VIN and title.

The TT has NOTHING to do with legal ownership.

PS.  Kurt indicated that he thought the VIN was probably changed, but that would indicate a STOLEN car.   IMO that's less likely that the TT was changed out.  LOTS of people change our the Trim Tag simply to make the car look more desirable (ie. take one from a September car and put it on your Dec car).  It's NOT a good thing, but it's not illegal, although it's unethical and immoral... and it's done to *fool* people (namely buyers).
1263  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 Oil Pressure Gauge Block Sender Fitting on: September 18, 2013, 10:37:16 PM
Assuming you've assembled the fitting correctly on the line, did you *reuse* the same piece of plastic line?  I typically reuse the line, but you may need to cut off the end part (that was cinched in the fitting previously) and use a new portion of the line for sealing.  Otherwise, it's purely in how the fitting is assembled, use a new compression seal, and don't overtighten initially.. put it snug (remember it's a small fitting and a plastic line), start the car to build pressure, and gradually tighten until the leak stops..  If you overtighten you will likely cause a leak.
1264  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: First time Camaro gen 1 buyer on: September 18, 2013, 09:58:25 PM
IMO, if the VIN and the trim tab date do not *align*, then it is much more likely that the Trim plate was changed, than the VIN.  it is against the law to change the VIN plate.   If you check the hidden VIN and it does not match the visible VIN plate, then there are *legal issues* with the car.    If the VINs match the hidden VIN, but the trim plate dates/etc doesn't line up, then it is likely that the trim plate has been changed to reflect a 'more desirable' model or set of options... which isn't illegal, but can drastically affect the value of the car.
1265  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Charlotte Autofair on: September 18, 2013, 09:51:50 PM
Thanks again Phillip!
We're heading out from Alabama at 6:30 am tomorrow morning..   should be there tomorrow afternoon and thru the weekend... 
We're looking forward to seeing the rest of you whom are attending..

(but this weekend we'll be driving a red GMC Sierra crewcab..   AL-47  plates)

Gary W.  / 69Z28-RS
1266  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Leaf spring removal on: September 18, 2013, 10:17:47 AM
Those bolts screw into a 'captive nut'.. which simply clips into the frame bracket.   The clip portion of the captive nut is much thinner metal and can rust away before the nut does.. and when the clip (that holds it in place) is rusted, then the nut (and whatever portion of the clip that remains) just 'spins' when you try to remove the bolt.  As someone said, remove the head of the bolt (without damaging the other parts) using a cut off wheel or hack saw or chisel?).. and go from there..
1267  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: First time Camaro gen 1 buyer on: September 18, 2013, 10:01:46 AM
Mr Byer,

I second what has been said before about getting as many photos as possible of the chassis, underneath, engine compartment etc.. AND talking to the current owner..  how long has he owned it, What work has he done on it, who did he get it from, where from?, etc..   ie. Find out as much as you can, and if you hear 'anything' that doesn't jive .. then be very careful.   If you like the photos, and the price, then take a knowledgable friend with you to serve as your 'consultant'..  Sometimes when we want something so badly we can 'taste it'..  we lose our perspective.. Smiley    The 'consultant/friend' will see the car much more objectively than you will.. Smiley

If you aren't sure about what you are seeing, or what you want, or what is 'correct' or not re an early Camaro, then I second/third what you've been told before re 'take some time on this site and the TC site'..  read all the posts... examine all the photos..   check out local Camaros for sale, find a club and go to club meetings..  etc..  in short.. LEARN all you can about these cars BEFORE you think seriously of purchasing a car.    With the price these cars can sell for, you can get seriously hurt (financially and emotionally) if you pay for a 'good car'.. and get something much less than that!
1268  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Need paintcode for 67 CC ermine white... on: September 18, 2013, 09:11:51 AM
If your source says the 'color' is no longer available in deltron..  check another source (maybe another state), OR check online sources?  I haven't checked for ermine while lately, but it's difficult to believe they can't mix it up...
1269  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: First time Camaro gen 1 buyer on: September 18, 2013, 09:10:04 AM
On my '69, I was able to see the hidden VIN under the cowl panel without removing the panel, by using a bright light and viewing thru the cowl vent slots...   From a 'legality' of ownership perspective, he should at least verify that the VIN he's considering purchase of is actually the original VIN of the car by checking at least one of the hidden VINs.   It appears he's not interested in a 'matching numbers' Camaro, or one with 'special mfg features', but just wanting a nice Camaro to drive.   And the car he's considering admittedly is a 'modified' car.    that said, and if he understands that then the only things he really needs to verify are:
1) Is the VIN correct (this is a legal issue wrt ownership of the car)...??  If this isn't true.. then RUN..
2) Does the car exhibit signs of improper rust or wreck repair? 
3) Does the modified car have the features he desires in a driver Camaro (ie. engine, trans, brakes, interior, etc)?
4) Were the modifications performed to his satisfaction?
5) Does he LIKE the way the car looks and drives for the price ...?

IMO the trim plate only states how Chevrolet built the car initially, and once a car is modified (and if the owner is happy with it), it really matters now at this point in time.
1270  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 Z/28 Power Brake Hose Bracket - Original? on: September 17, 2013, 10:19:39 PM
The bracket labeled 'AAC' appears correct, matches what is on my car....
1271  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Crossram manifold on: September 17, 2013, 09:09:50 AM
I remember the blue maxi, as I have that magazine somewhere in my collection, but I don't recall the 'green meanie'..  Do you have any color photos?  Smiley
1272  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Charlotte Autofair on: September 16, 2013, 09:52:49 PM
It's too bad we don't have our CRG shirts as yet..  *S*  s o we'd all know one another..  Smiley
Maybe we can put a 'CRG' sign around our neck..     Smiley
1273  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1967 Camaro Convertible Vin decode on: September 16, 2013, 11:01:50 AM
Weren't '67 Pace Cars all painted the turquoise color?   Is it possible that this is one of them, or was there a special code as well?
1274  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: First Ford Mustang sold to public story on: September 15, 2013, 08:50:07 PM
Like any 'new' car that comes out, being the *first one* to have one loses it's significance once many are on the road.   THE MOST significant new unit which never loses it's significance is the SNxxx0001.. ie. the 'lowest sn' built for sale to the public. sometimes it's snxxx001 and sometimes it's not.   The first C5 Corvette built which was placed into public hands was Snxxx007, which was given to the NCM, and auctioned off for about a year to see who won it!
1275  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Decode a 1969 protecto plate ... Having difficulty on: September 15, 2013, 12:37:09 PM
from the mirrored P-t-P:
From Protectoplate info:
Sold to Mrs A.W. Kirby on 5 June 1969

VIN:  124679N624455  69 Camaro, 8cyl Convertible, Norwood (OH) assembly  seq num 624455. likely built on Wednesday, 2 April, 1969.
C   = Carter Carburetor

4    =  build month  (April '69)

133  = option codes

Engine code  T0313HB which decodes to a 350ci / 300 hp engine build in Tonawanda on March 13th.   Your engine had a 4 bbl carb    and typically had a Turbohydramatic behind it.
Trans code:  Y9A31  =   Turbo350, built on  January 31, 1969.
Rear end code:  BL 0117 G   (3.07:1, 12 bolt, non posi assembled Jan 17th)..  If the code is BI ... it's a 2.73.
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