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1246  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Yahoo article about a Camaro ZL1 totaled on: January 11, 2014, 08:21:04 AM
I don't think there's any such thing as a 'comparable' used car, to one that you saved/scraped for, bought new, and cared for like a member of the family over 10,000 miles...  I don't think I'd *ever* be satisfied with someone else's 'used' car...  they should let him order a new ZL-1 (or Z28?) with any options/colors he wants, and hope he doesn't sue them...
1247  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Yahoo article about a Camaro ZL1 totaled on: January 10, 2014, 11:17:08 PM
According to that article, taht ZL1 was/is owned by John Hooper, who is an early author of a Camaro book.. I've got one of them lying around somewhere..  OK..  Here it is: 

"The 1969 Camaro Reference book..  from 'A' to 'Z'...  "   copyright 1991. 

That was one of the first books I saw for the '69 Camaro...
1248  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: This is a nice original 69 Z28 on: January 10, 2014, 11:05:18 PM
your car appears amazingly well done.. over and under...   *S*   
1249  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Trim tag. What say you on: January 10, 2014, 05:42:35 PM
Here it is..tried to attach image..
Here is a picture of my 11C NOR car's TT,
Should the body number be that different?

Assuming body numbers assigned in sequence with the car order,  then your car would have been ordered considerably in advance of the other order (ie. 26,000 cars or a month to month and a half of production), yet built the same week.   At that time of year, first quarter of production of a new model, we can assume orders were coming in more heavily than later in the year.   I think it's difficult to say if the body numbers would have been that different or not..?  Was your car ordered with one or more low production options which might have delayed production?  OR the other car could have been a 'customer ordered car', which moves up in the production sequence.
1250  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: If Anyone is Interested in a 67 Pace Car on: January 10, 2014, 08:13:33 AM
IMO... Camaros, and other such cars from the sixties, and even the mid-fifties Chevys etc, will always be in demand, as long as we can still obtain the necessary items (fuel? laws?) etc.. to drive them.  I've always been a bit worried by having so many old cars that are reliant on proper fuel to drive; in fact, I parked my Camaro in 1980 because of insufficient octane fuel to run my 12:1 engine...
PS>  The fifties and sixties, into the early 70's, were the 'golden age' as far as automobile design was concerned... Smiley..     I suppose I should rewrite that to 'modern or common golden age', given the beauty of some of the Art Deco 30's designs.. Smiley
1251  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: If Anyone is Interested in a 67 Pace Car on: January 09, 2014, 11:13:50 PM
These are not the cars the "younger crowd" grew up with so they don't have the want or need for them the way we did, or do.  I'm 55, and my high school car was a 68 Camaro, it was only 6 years old when i got it (from a bone yard) and theres been a Camaro of one kind or the other in the yard or driveway since then.  People tend to stick with the cars of their youth when they are having that mid life crisis or just want to relive the old times and these cars are getting further away from the people who have the spare cash laying around to buy them.  Thats not going to change.

That's true..  but my daughters, sons in law, and even young grandkids.. when asked which of my cars they want ..  always pick the Camaro..  Smiley    Maybe it's the Hugger Orange that draws them?   (*Of course, they are *assuming* they would inherit it, not pay for it.. )   Smiley     and that goes back to the cost issue as pointed out by sixt9x33rs...  Even my 9 yr old granddaughter likes it, wants it, and always wants to help work on it..  Smiley
1252  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Trim tag. What say you on: January 09, 2014, 11:07:50 PM
They must have made some other changes to their plates when they added X codes then...  that plate is different in several respects from my late Norwood data plate.

....  OR that one is a repro...
1253  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Ziebart... How to remove it? on: January 09, 2014, 08:50:54 PM
Why would someone Ziebart a fiberglass car? ....
The frame is metal as is the suspension pieces, .. everything underneath got a heavy dose.. including the differential and transmission, etc...   I'd never undercoat a car after it was driven, and they did this when it was 10 yrs old... and the metal appears to have been in great condition at the time.
1254  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Ziebart... How to remove it? on: January 09, 2014, 03:28:21 PM
If that '71 LS6 were my car, I'd never have had it done, and if I bought it later, I'd be spending my spare time cleaning it off.   

I was trying to determine if I should recommend to the owner that he get it cleaned off (I doubt he's the sort of person to do it himself).  I think it's a detriment to any future sale, and to having the car judged at a high level. Otherwise, beyond the Ziebart and the minor mods, the car is very well preserved, but not *clean*..  cleaning most of it is not difficult, but the Ziebart is another matter.   The interior (if it were detailed) is probably a 2+, and the original paint could be a 1 or 1- with some detailing.
1255  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Canadian Emissions / Smog on: January 09, 2014, 02:31:55 PM
big block auto, original exhaust manifolds had plugs where the tubes would have been

I would suspect  that the exhaust manifolds were installed much later; perhaps after having had the originals discarded for headers earlier?   Or were big block cars with automatics delivered wtih plugged exhaust manifolds?
1256  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Canadian Emissions / Smog on: January 09, 2014, 01:23:55 PM
Was wondering if any Canadian members might be able to help with a question.  Spoke to the original owner of my car and was told that it was sold from the dealer without the smog set-up. The first owner did not take the smog off the car.  Does anyone else know if Canadian dealers might have taken the smog system off cars when sold ?  thanks
Is your car automatic or manual trans?
1257  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Undercoating on inside of quarter panel ??? on: January 09, 2014, 12:31:39 PM
Here's the original undercoating on the inside of the rear quarters in the trunk of my 02D '69 Z/28 - pretty sloppy, doesn't appear that any kind of mask or pattern was used. None of it has flaked or shows any sign of failure under the spatter paint after 45 years.

I agree John... where it appeared from viewing my car that a 'mask' was used , was inside the front inner wheel wells.
1258  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Ziebart... How to remove it? on: January 09, 2014, 12:28:43 PM
Yep, I know how much difficult it is... and this car is still 'whole and assembled' which makes it even worse.  

This car doesn't belong to me, but it's potentially a very valuable car (only 188 LS-6 Corvettes built).  A '71 LS-6 is a 454 engine with aluminum heads, aluminum (low rise) intake, and big Holley carb (rated 425 hp in '71).  This is as close to an L88 Corvette you could buy post-1969 model year.  I think for the owner to maximize the value (should he ever sell it), he needs to get it judged at Bloomington, or at a major NCRS show.. (the mods are wheels, valve covers, front spoiler).. mostly minor items.  The big items are all there..  The car needs a good careful cleaning, and then there's that Ziebart..  Sad  
1259  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 SS RS Convertible on ebay on: January 09, 2014, 09:58:37 AM
What I find humorous:
- Restored to near perfection
And then states
- kept in beautiful and orginial condition its whole life
Well which is it..  lol

I agree..   the seller was in a quandary..  what to write?  So he decided to cover all the bases?  Smiley
but I loved the color combination and options on the car....
1260  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Ziebart... How to remove it? on: January 09, 2014, 09:56:55 AM
Why remove it? It would take a lot of time & effort to remove and personally I don't think it affect the value very much.
However, it can be removed with mineral spirits; just spray or brush it on and let it soak in to soften the coating, then scrape and re-apply as needed.
I've removed old undercoating using that technique...  so this is similar...?
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