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1231  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1969 - Orphans / Re: 9N624309 302 shortblock on: December 04, 2013, 10:56:56 AM
that makes sense, JDV..    I'll try that approach next time I have that trouble *S*
1232  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: Oil Pan leaks... ugh.. on: December 03, 2013, 11:48:40 PM
Thanks Jano..  I'm going to follow your suggestion.. 

and yes, I've built a dozen or so over about 38 yrs, but the one I've got dripping on my floor now is one I rebuilt about 10 or 12 yrs ago.. and I thought my old procedure was good, using the cork gaskets, but applying a thin film of silicone on both sides, letting that almost dry, before setting the gasket/pan.. and torqueing..

I bought the one piece rubber Felpro gasket today .. and will follow the included instructions.. and *might* do as someone suggested with a light film of gasket cement on the pan side.   thanks for the suggestions.. but it seems there's no '100% magical cure all' for the old 2 piece main seals.  I'm using an NOS 'trap door' style oil pan from the early 60's (I finally found the correct NOS pickup for use with that pan) and the fits flat and perfect.  This is an .080 overbore 283, '67 Z28 crank and rods, 10:1 pistons, all machined surfaces ground, rotating assembly balanced, and semi blueprinted during assembly with a hydraulic 350 hp cam and rebuilt '60 Corvette heads, intake, and carb.  2.5" rams horn exhausts..  it should run good.. and I don't want it to leak. Smiley 

and I agree with the poster that the rear main seal is the worst area..  probably the joint between the two pieces, and we still have that  issue even with the one piece seal...
1233  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1969 - Orphans / Re: 9N624309 302 shortblock on: December 03, 2013, 11:33:11 PM
My apologies.. I typed it wrong.   THE RELISTED auction has it correct..      684309....
The owner told me that after a lot of effort, it was very clear to him what it was...
1234  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: Oil Pan leaks... ugh.. on: December 03, 2013, 01:37:06 PM
Thanks Fellas..  the 'one piece' gasket sounds like a great idea...   and the local O'reilly's (2 miles away) has one for 29.99...  I'll buy one today.   With this gasket, I'd think if it's all rubber, one doesn't need any other sealers?.. 
1235  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Oil Pan leaks... ugh.. on: December 03, 2013, 12:00:03 PM
Do any of you fellas have a 'surefire' method of preventing oil leaks with Chevy small blocks?  I'm buttoning up a 283 for my '60 Corvette and I really don't want another chevy that 'drips' oil on my floor..  Smiley.    Generally I use a very thin coating of silicone sealer on each side of the cork gasket at install, make sure that the pan rails are 'straight', and only torque to the specified level.. but sooner or later, all of them seem to leak.  Is it because the screws back out?  I've even put locktite on the threads the last few engines I've done....   Sad
I'd welcome any suggestions anyone can make to have a DRY engine.   Do I have to use gorilla snot to do that (ie. yellow 3M super weatherstrip sealer...  which I REaLLY hate to use ..)..

Is a different pan gasket or frt/rear seals called for (as opposed to the std ones which come in the Felpro kits)?
1236  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1968 Camaro rear spoiler part # (short spoiler) on: December 03, 2013, 11:43:24 AM
by 'hardware'..  I assume you mean the washer/rubber/nuts?   but the studs ARE installed in the spoiler from the factory?
Are you talking about a hunk of 1/4"-20 threaded rod, or the original double ended studs with a lag thread on one end, and 1/4-20 on the other with the integral step between them.  The ones I've seen have threaded rod only.

I don't really know what was installed in the '68 spoilers, but I'm familiar with what is in my '69 .. which is a double ended stud, with a wide flat flange in the middle (which serves as a stop when the stud is screwed into the fiberglass spoiler, and serves to prevent the fiberglass from being busted out by too much torque.).  The following photos are from my factory original rear spoiler studs and retainers (late 09C car).
1) first photo shows both  a rear (short), and front (long) stud as used on the rear spoiler (there are 4 of each, and the long ones *may* come be installed in two differing lengths, with the longer ones used on the center two locations).
2) Second photo shows the two different retainers (nuts with encapsulated washers).  The nut with the wider washer also included a 'rubber washer' which served as a seal to prevent water from entering the trunk around the stud - the rear most studs were located behind the trunk area).
3) Third photo is of one of the longer studs after removal from a spoiler.  It isn't very visible in this photo, but this stud has a wide thin flange 'stop' between the two threaded sections).
1237  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: vinyl top, rust spotter guide? on: December 03, 2013, 11:23:34 AM
Feel down around the lower parts of the top, especially near the lower corners of the rear glass.  If there are 'lumps or bumps' in the vinyl top, then that probably indicates rust on the metal under the vinyl.  if it's 'spongy', that would be worse, as it would indicate the metal had deteriorated to the point of having holes and great weakness in the metal of the roof.  If the car is nice otherwise, and the spots of lumps were not large, I'd not worry too much, just know that you'll probably have some repair to do there, but if you are removing the top and repainting (the roof at least), then it shouldn't be too bad!  Smiley
1238  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: The Vince Piggins Camaro on: December 03, 2013, 10:22:37 AM
Surely you wouldn't marry a lady for her Camaro?  would you?   Smiley     Do you think someone beat you to it?  Smiley
J/K...  Smiley
1239  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1969 - Orphans / Re: 9N624309 302 shortblock on: December 02, 2013, 11:18:27 PM
Hello Kurt,

The VIN on this block is actually 9N628309.   Do you have that VIN in your data base?   This auction runs for another day or so.  It would be great to get this engine reunited with the correct body.  It appears to be a totally original engine, with near zero wear... not ran since 1972, and the price seems very decent to me for what is included.   I'm hoping the original car owner is out there so I'm not tempted to buy this engine myself.  Smiley
1240  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Front spoiler support rods on: December 02, 2013, 11:10:51 PM
My car had been in a light front ender before I purchased it in '76, It had a replacement GM valence panel, spoiler in place, but the rods weren't there.   I think it was common that the plastic spoilers were replaced without the rods in body shops, so I don't know how the originals were, but 'phosphated' would seem to match what Chevrolet did usually with such parts.  An OTC NOS part may have gotten black paint, even if factory parts were phosphate only?  Maybe a few folks with original unmolested unrestored cars with factory support rods in place can tell us what they have?  and provide photos?
1241  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1968 Camaro rear spoiler part # (short spoiler) on: December 02, 2013, 09:36:17 AM
by 'hardware'..  I assume you mean the washer/rubber/nuts?   but the studs ARE installed in the spoiler from the factory?
1242  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Rick & His Yenko at Americarna LIVE Car Show on: November 30, 2013, 08:36:13 PM
I'm wondering if those bikes fit in his Yenko trunk?? Smiley
1243  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1968 Camaro rear spoiler part # (short spoiler) on: November 30, 2013, 08:17:11 PM
Are you looking for one?
If you are, GM still sells them.
Paul

Does GM still offer the '69 (later) spoiler and hardware as well?  same design?
1244  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: clips and seal for RH side inner fender brace on: November 29, 2013, 08:33:59 AM
Quote from: Sauron327
I can understand why they won't make a splash bracket or seatback cable.
Of course, but I find it interesting that just about every single part is available as a reproduction for these cars, with the exception of a couple.
Perhaps the demand is low for such parts because 99% of people aren't even aware the car came with them and their absence is not overtly obvious?
1245  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: A Friend Is Looking for a June 69 DZ 302 on: November 29, 2013, 08:31:55 AM
Only two ways I'm aware of:
1)  The VIN IS on the side of the block, but is too difficult to see/read (one of Chevy's worst ideas to choose that rough cast area)..
2)  It had a VIN/stamp on the deck, was machined off, and restamped to correspond to the block's cast date.
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