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1231  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1969 California trim tag code mo 44 ? on: October 24, 2013, 02:17:25 PM
I'm just trying to make sense of all the numbers...

At 57/hr, they would have had to work more than 8 hr shifts daily to meet the production achieved, as shown in the table below.   (8x57=456, 9 x 57 = 513, 10 x 57=570, 11 x 57 = 627, 12 x 57 = 684, etc...)   

Were they always working two shifts over the entire prod year?  Adding or stopping shifts would seem difficult to do based on manpower?

They worked two 8-hour shifts. 16 hours x 57 per hour = 912 per day.

Adding or dropping shifts was a manpower training and quality nightmare due to seniority-driven "shift-bumping" - it wasn't done.
Thanks John,

Was the difference in the 912/day, and what they actually achieved, made up in firebird production??  or ??
1232  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z on: October 24, 2013, 08:46:14 AM
They would  'delay' initiating the build, not pull them off during build to 'wait' for the part.     they would not START the build until all the parts were available (but I'm sure there were exceptions to this, as there are with everything).   Anytime the line (or the normal process) is interrupted, it costs $$money...
1233  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Re: Where to buy plush carpet, not loopweave? Molded trunk carpet? on: October 23, 2013, 11:46:40 PM
ACC sells carpet in plush as well, and *may* be able to do your trunk carpet too..?
1234  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: goodyear polyglas tires on: October 22, 2013, 12:11:44 PM
How bad does your car wander on this rubber???
that's one of the 'characteristics' of bias belted tires...      Fun huh?  Smiley
I don't have bias belted on my Camaro, but I have other cars (older) with bias belted, and when I changed from Michelin radial X's to the repro bias belted on my '57 Bel Air.  it was like a different car.  I don't drive it nearly as much anymore..  I'd recommend a nice radial tire if you are going to drive your car.. The advent of radial tires was maybe more significant than modern brakes on the 'handling/safety' of cars..
biasbelts track grooves in the road, and if there's no grooves, they will find 'something' to track on .. Smiley
1235  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1969 California trim tag code mo 44 ? on: October 21, 2013, 11:13:36 PM
Thanks William for the extra information.  I had built myself a spread sheet using the end of month figures but using the actual last day of the month.  I will attempt to improve that using the information you've just provided.  Smiley
1236  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original Hurst Shifter or Not on: October 21, 2013, 11:08:46 PM
I do not agree that we are 'back to square one'.  I believe we've confirmed that Mr Serio is correct (NO DATE CODE, per se), BUT.. we've also learned empirically that the ID code/SN has a month/year encoded into the SN...  which serves the same purpose for us. Smiley
A 'date code' is a marking put on a part purely to record the actual date (time/shift/etc) without any other purpose.    The Hurst ID/Serial number code has multiple pieces of information in it, some of which we do not know, but we've pretty conclusively shown that there is a month and year encoded as part of this SN.   But I doubt they did it just so we could demonstrate originality to a car 44 years later..  Smiley
1237  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor" on: October 21, 2013, 11:00:50 PM
Yes, very nice original car; take care of her and preserve her *G*..
1238  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Replace sagging leaf springs on: October 21, 2013, 09:54:29 PM
there are shops that can supposedly 're-arch' leaf springs, but since I haven't had it performed I cannot recommend it, as I am not certain everyone who does it knows what they are doing.. Smiley
1239  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1969 California trim tag code mo 44 ? on: October 21, 2013, 02:20:18 PM
I'm just trying to make sense of all the numbers...

At 57/hr, they would have had to work more than 8 hr shifts daily to meet the production achieved, as shown in the table below.   (8x57=456, 9 x 57 = 513, 10 x 57=570, 11 x 57 = 627, 12 x 57 = 684, etc...)  

Were they always working two shifts over the entire prod year?  Adding or stopping shifts would seem difficult to do based on manpower?
The impact of adding Firebird production can hardly be noticed....?
 
Norwood Plant         
Month End   work days   Daily avg
   ramping up..?
30-Sep-68   20   607   
31-Oct-68   23   791   
30-Nov-68   20   1076   
31-Dec-68   21   863   adjusting to meet demand?
31-Jan-69   22   897   
28-Feb-69   20   872   
31-Mar-69   21   782   
30-Apr-69   22   615   adding firebird prod?
31-May-69   21   629   
30-Jun-69   21   652   
31-Jul-69   22   232   ??
31-Aug-69   21   435   
30-Sep-69   21   684   back to demand rate?
31-Oct-69   23   666   
10-Nov-69   19   210   69 prod ending
1240  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1968 camaro clone on: October 21, 2013, 11:59:41 AM
Most of those look 'good', except for the one with exposed coils.. Smiley      How pretty can an engine be when it has to be covered over with painted plastic to make it look OK??    Smiley
.. or maybe I'm just too 'old school'...  Smiley   (Small block chevys forever, babee....!  )
1241  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1968 camaro clone on: October 21, 2013, 11:00:51 AM
LS engines are great..  super power, much better gas mileage, esp when you install the appropriate O/D trans with it, but don't you wish the LS engines were not so UGLY?  Smiley
1242  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Z10 on: October 21, 2013, 10:58:03 AM
Man, if you can see a missing VIN plate from those pix, then you are an 'eagle eye'..  *G*   
I think what was meant is since no Vin is provided, it makes it hard to compare with Trim Tag body build # and date aligning. My first thought is if someone is so knowledgeable about the Z10 option, why can't he verify if the drivetrain is # matching? Seems that he leaves out just enough info to make me want to question car.i am not saying it is fake, because there is not enough info, but as knowledgeable as the owner seems...just saying.

Yes, I suspect that's what he meant.. and I misinterpreted..  Smiley   Thanks..
1243  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Z10 on: October 21, 2013, 08:20:21 AM
Man, if you can see a missing VIN plate from those pix, then you are an 'eagle eye'..  *G*   
1244  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Sand blasting... Chassis on: October 20, 2013, 10:53:01 PM
Once you've sanded, scraped, etc.  as well as you can to remove loose rust, Dupont MetalPrep (or similar, such as Jasco) etc can be used to prep the metal for primer and paint...  This is an phosphoric acid which will convert light remaining rust to a different oxide which will accept paint.
1245  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: goodyear polyglas tires on: October 20, 2013, 05:05:48 PM
that's one of the 'characteristics' of bias belted tires...      Fun huh?  Smiley
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