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1066  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Survivor 69 Z back on ebay on: February 26, 2014, 11:20:33 AM
That's probably the *most real* survivor that I've seen for sale, and it's a one owner with 32K miles...   *everything* seems kosher to me on that car, so for someone wanting a real Z28 to preserve, it would be hard to beat....
1067  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Muncie 3925660 on: February 25, 2014, 10:59:11 PM
It might even have more than one zipcode.. Smiley    I've worked for smaller operations that had their own zipcode.. Smiley
1068  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Pretty Cool Ole Car on: February 25, 2014, 01:47:37 PM
Government doesn't care, and there is not enough of the public that is actually engaged in politics to stand up and make a difference. IMO the general public, pays very little attention to politics until a presidential race, and even then they are only listening to a 30 second commercial and who looks likable to make their decision.

Sorry, this always strikes a nerve with me. In my short life span I have seen people get dumbed down by TV, and told what to think by its news anchors and talk show hosts.The media is a huge blob of influence now. John Q public just wants his sports, or tv show, un-interrupted. If they can get paid (unemployment, food stamps) to stay at home they will continue to vote for the party that helps them do this.
The honest days work, the pride of making it on your own has turned into "you didn't build that". I guess thats why the vehicle hobby is so great, it is a instant source of pride, each vehicle represents an effort by the owner, a extension of them and a source of pride. There is a sense of pride and freedom in turning wrenches for me.
I wish the rest of the country would find themselves, and get back to being the best workers in the world. Tune out the media and get involved with turning this country around politically.

If you, as a 'thirty something' feel this way, just imagine how it feels to those of us who are twice your age.  We've been watching taht 'dumbing down of the public, and over-governing of our so-called leaders, for twice as long... Sad    If you've ever worked for a 'micro manager', just extrapolate that feeling up by '300 Million' or so (our population) and that's what happening to our society/citizenry.
1069  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: PACE CAR TROUBLES on: February 25, 2014, 11:59:22 AM
That appears to be a situation for 'building a car' around a firewall/dash (subject of another thread)..  Smiley
1070  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Muncie 3925660 on: February 25, 2014, 11:57:39 AM
I thought St Louis was the Corvette assembly plant?

1969 Corvettes were built at St Louis, but their VINs are in the range of:  700001 to 738762.  The VIN sequence of the transmission under discussion was obviously NOT from a Corvette (even though it went into a St Louis assembled '69 vehicle), so it had to be from a different model assembled in St Louis.   We're lucky to have access to the knowledges of people like JohnZ (who worked there and knows what they assembled in addition to Corvettes) and to 1968RSZ28 (who recognized the particular VIN sequence as being from a full size passenger).   Incidentally, I'd suspect that a 4-speed-Muncie-equipped full size in '69 would be a rare vehicle, as the numbers of 4-sp manual equipped Impalas were going down significantly each year after 1964....  Smiley
1071  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Are There Any "Off Limit" Areas in Your Restoration? on: February 24, 2014, 11:08:41 AM
IF I WERE taking my own car somewhere I would clean around the markings well, lay some wax paper over the markings then a piece of heavy canvas maybe 3-5 inches larger, then get the best duct tape and clean with alcohol the metal and canvas backing as you lay the duct tape over the whole area, take a 2nd layer in the opposite direction. and write implicit instructions DO NOT REMOVE!!!!
Not saying it will prevent anything from happening however I would sleep better knowing it was there and IMHO I believe it is your best chance in averting an irreversible mistake!

I've seen duct tape take off paint when it was removed.  Perhaps that would only occur with 'new paint', and not 40-yr-old original paint, but to be safe, I'd suggest a different type of tape to hold on the 'mask'.  Otherwise, I agree with what james is suggesting re the multiple maskings..  Smiley
1072  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Are There Any "Off Limit" Areas in Your Restoration? on: February 23, 2014, 03:51:04 PM
My position is this:  Leave as much 'original' as you can. 
ie. If the 'original factory item' is good and still represents factory production, HOW could anyone 'restore' it to the same condition, look, feel, etc???
The only time I feel justified in 're-doing' something is if the 'function' is impaired, needing rebuilding, or if an item 'condition' is such that it will further deteriorate, in those cases, the item requires work or reconditioning; otherwise, cleaning and preserving is all that is necessary or required.  (but I'm an originallity freak).. Smiley
1073  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Educate Me on: February 23, 2014, 03:44:24 PM
I'm with you Ko-lec-tor..   Smiley
1074  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Cowl Tag Check on: February 19, 2014, 11:26:37 PM
Moving a vin tag, and sheet metal sections with the hidden vin numbers on it from one car to another body that had a different VIN on it originally is a felony in every state in the union.  ...

That's correct, because that is one method employed by auto thieves, to hide the VIN of the car they've stolen...

...Moving a VIN tag, and hidden vins numbers from one car to a replica body like a Dynacorn is OK, as the Dynacorn body is considered a large replacement part, it was never a car before the VINs were transfered to it.  ...

This statement would seem to imply that it's not the 'application of a VIN' to a autobody that is illegal, but the actual removal of a VIN from a factory built auto body that is illegal...?   If so, wouldn't it be an illegal act to remove the VIN from the rusted/damaged car *(ZL1)*  in this example case???   Does this suggest that law enforcement authorities could discern that the body the VIN was applied to was a 'dynacorn' rather than a stolen car body (but we can't??)..

... That said, whats a ZL1 VIN tag on a replacement body with a non original engine and drivetrain worth?  don't know but it shouldn't be much higher than 0.

All it says to me is that the person (owner) at one time had possession of a ZL1 body, before he cut it up (assuming the plate were original)...  not much different than holding the registration slip of a ZL1 (or ??) that you bought/owned at one time, but now don't...
1075  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: General talk about Trans-Am cars, parts, whatever... on: February 19, 2014, 03:43:52 PM
one word...   WOW....   Smiley
1076  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69' Z/28 on eBay... What a Car! on: February 19, 2014, 09:41:00 AM

I really like that car, (PBT) or not.. Smiley    Does anyone know what happened on the first auction?  Did it make reserve? or ??
1077  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Nagging questions about parts and restoration direction on: February 17, 2014, 12:09:25 AM
Since money doesn't sound to tight, and the repro fenders sound like an option: get the repro fenders, and the good originals and fit what you have if you can make them work, run them. If your repro supplier is close by, return it and say it didn't fit close enough. I have bought items that were in stock from good mark, if it didn't fit close enough, (sometimes way off) I had no issue with returning them. I test fit everything NOS, Original, and repro, because 40 years has gone by, and it seems some stuff fits spot on, other stuff even NOS stuff can be off. I bought a "NOS" fender for my 64 C/10, it was the worst fitting piece I had between the 3. The repro fit better, original was a close second,( the original was a bit rough, remember were talking truck). Just want you take the easy road, instead of trying to wrestle with stuff that may fit someone else's ride much better.
One other thing Camaros are not Ferrari's that were assembled by hand, and the fitment from the factory was not precise, like we expect at cars shows today. GM kicked 10s of thousands of cars out the factory doors every week, panel fit was a "its good enough" its within the margin of error type of thing. Today with our own cars we tend to be more picky and want all the gaps to be spot on, when a lot of parts have even more variance we are looking for the opposite. Just something to keep in mind when test fitting, is all.

Bullitt?  Did your car slip out of the factory without the 'B' stamp on the firewall?  Smiley    J/K

Unless I'm mistaken Chevy's body fit (gap) spec was 1/4" +/- 1/16 (ie. 3/16 - 5/16")..  Of course a car looks much better if all the gaps are consistent and not towards the 5/16" end of the spread...  Smiley   Unfortunately, after 40-50 years, there isn't many cars that have escaped 'incidents' (bumps, scrapes, wrecks, body shops, etc), so those factory specs go out the window once the typical 'body shop' has had their fun.
1078  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: 68 350 engine - how to start on: February 14, 2014, 01:35:52 PM
Make sure it doesn't have a marine cam in it?  Smiley

I'd pull the plugs, squirt a little oil in the cylinders..  let the oil soak around the rings for awhile (a day or two) before trying to start.  Make sure you have good fuel, and the carburetor isn't going to leak ?.. ...  a lot depends on 1) Did you install the engine in the boat?  ie. are you familiar with it's running capability prior to going into the boat (since the last time the engine was ran?), and 2) how the engine/boat was stored..  indoors or outdoors ?  in what kind of environment...
1079  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Sinkhole in the Corvette Museum on: February 14, 2014, 12:02:45 PM
Very good!   Makes me feel a bit better.. and I just hope everything goes according to plan.

Thanks for posting that link JohnZ.. Smiley
1080  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Nagging questions about parts and restoration direction on: February 14, 2014, 11:47:31 AM
For all of us 'car lovers' who aren't rich, we have to make compromises.  There's an intrinsic part to every decision we do with a car we've owned for a long time, or one we've coveted for a long time.  Few of us do anything 'purely' for the $$, but at the same time, unless we are rich, we have to consider the costs and return (whether it be $$ return a long time from now, or the enjoyment return as we drive the car)..

1)  It depends on which part you are speaking of.   My own 'opinions' and preferences are:  a) Original to my car, b) factory original to 'someone's car, even if it needs rebuilding/restoring/etc, c) NOS,  d) repro -US built, and e) 'other repro' (as a very last resort).   What I LIKE best is good original parts, even if more dull - ie. less new looking, and in some cases, a 40-50 yr old original part will look better than a 2-3 yr old reproduction part.   Regarding the radiator you have.  Don't you NEED a BB radiator? or are you going to aftermarket AL?? or ??   If you need the part that is original to your car, then don't sell it.   Re your NOS parts...  If they are worth considerably more than a good usable 'original' part, and the used part 'works' with your car, then sell the NOS?   If you are trying to *preserve* your car in as original a condition as possible, then that should answer most of your questions... Smiley.  Panels:  you *may* spend more making the reproduction panel (or even in some cases an NOS part) fit to your car, than repairing the original panel.   My approach is to make as minimal a repair as possible.  if you have 'rust or damage in only one area, then buy a reproduction panel that is larger than your rust/damage, cut it down to make the minimal repair.  If I bought an NOS panel I'd use the entire thing.  PS>   you'll never be able to use any of your 'good parts' unless and until you get your body work completed, so that adds another complexity....
2) I'd not be very interested in a 'used' Reproduction Part (except for a part I don't have and can't afford even in repro?)?  Generally a reproduction part bought this year will be better than the reproduction parts bought 10 yrs ago.   Repro parts are not perfect, but the manufacturers of them generally DO try to improve them based on the feedback they get.  Buying repro should be a last resort (IMO), and buying 'used repro' is a step below that IMO... Smiley
3) I think you can answer this part yourself (as we all can).  It DOES depend on what we want (or need).   What would YOU prefer?  What can you afford?  The bottom line is to FINISH your car, however you can afford it.   The most affordable means to finish a car is to:  1) use your original parts and rebuild them, and 2) do the work yourself (or get a car club buddy who is experienced on that task to assist you, and in return, you can assist him on something he needs that you are more expert in).
Remember that paying someone $50/man-hr or more can eat up a lot of $$ in a hurry.
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