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1  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: FOUND: The Actual 1969 Camaro RS/SS Conv. NASCAR Pace Car for Bristol in 1969! on: September 18, 2014, 10:18:11 PM
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He also wants to know if anyone can help him acquire a pretty rare option that originally came with his car.  He states that he has, "been trying to locate the fiber optic wire for the front turn lights to the fenders, no one in the after market offers that item.  Do you know of any outfit that might have that item!!! please let me know."

There is nothing to the fiber optic 'system' except for the indicators and the fiber optic itself (a coated glass fiber light conveyer)..  If he only needs the fiber optic line itself (if his is missing or broken in half), then a corvette supplier would be the best source, as all Corvettes built in several years between '68-9 and 1971 Corvettes had them.  Many people think they are more complicated than they are.     A response to a similar question on the Corvette Forum addressed this issue very well, which I will repeat here:
"There is nothing mechanical or electrical about fiber optics. They are very simple. Just fiber strands that transmit light very easily, from the light source to the individual lenses in the console. The purpose of these items was to show the driver if there was an external light bulb that was not functioning.

 Here are a few of the common reasons why a fiber optic does not work. Check to see if the bulb is burnt out. If the lights were removed to have the car repainted, it is not uncommon for the fiber optic end to get painted over and not allow light to travel to the console. The fiber cable could be broken as a result of a previous accident. Check inside the console to see if the fiber optic cable is connected to the console lenses. When I first got my car, I found some of the cables just not connected to the console lense.

 Anyway, this is very basic technology and it is not like trying to run down an electrical problem. As was previously stated, if you have a problem it is pretty easy to just re-run new fiber cable and re-tape it into the harness. IMO. "

ie.. to have them work, the fiber optic line must 1) be present, 2) be clean on the ends, and 3) be installed in the fittings of the console and lamp source.
2  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Original Horns #289 & 290 with odd dates or not ? on: September 17, 2014, 06:26:15 PM
Your discussion and photos of the horns got me off my butt to go look at mine.. Smiley   I removed them a couple of years ago, when disassembling the front clip for clean up, and didn't *see* any numbers, although they appeared to be original...  so down to the basement I went, finally found the right box..  dug out the horns and with a little cleaning, identified mine as #289 (date 9H3), and #290 (date 9H3).   I think that date would be 3 August 69 ;  my car is an O9C (18Sep69)...   I got photos also which be added to my already large photo file.. Smiley

Gary W
3  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Hours of body part install on: September 17, 2014, 05:48:55 PM
$11,500 for a complete body shell from Real Deal Steal.. doesn't sound like too bad a deal... all new metal..  ready for Kerr's parts removed from the rust bucket.... If a decent original body shell cannot be found... (which I agree would be the best alternative for him)...
4  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Hours of body part install on: September 17, 2014, 07:36:50 AM
I think those hour estimates are way too low, based on what I see; in 1967, a 'panel replacement' was based on collision damage, not rust.   Removing, preparing the adjoining surfaces, etc when rust (esp heavy rust as Kerr's car) is very time consuming comparied to simply cutting off a damaged panel and replacing with straight metal.   Any good shop will provide their costs/invoices showing hours; surely someone here who has had rusty panels replaced can provide some 'real world' hourly estimates.   Another good thing to do would be to *ask the fella providing the $/hr estimate, for his 'hours estimate'.   If he can't provide at least a rough estimate of the time, it indicates to me that he's never done this same type of job before.

Kerr:  175 hrs is a bit over 4 man weeks; or 2 guys for 2 weeks.  Do you think all your rusty panels could be removed and adjacent panels derusted and preserved, new panels adjusted, welded in and prepared for paint in 2 weeks by 2 guys?   I really don't think so based on what I see get accomplished in such shops.
5  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: May 1968 trim tag irregularities on: September 16, 2014, 10:05:31 PM
There is a problem with may & june production number # because may numbers show twice as many build as any other month on Norwood cars. Have a 06a car with that starts with 449---. Have a one owner 06b car that starts with 453---.
Well, there's asterisks next to the data and this statement is in bold on the page: "The data for some months (especially May and June 68 at Norwood) deviate significantly from actual build dates,....."

If Kurt thinks the Data from NCRS is confusing, I would suggest you have it rechecked by NCRS for accuracy, mistakes are often times easy to make reading microfiche digitization's.

Roy, I sent a detailed email re my incorrect report, and I never heard anything...  no response at all..   Seems the 'new folks' doing that job are not as conscientious as you...
6  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Ebay gas cap on: September 16, 2014, 09:29:25 AM
Thats the trouble with buying NOS parts.  NOS parts are not production parts, 90% of the time they are functionally equivalent parts that might fit 3 or 4 different car lines but are factory correct for none of them.

My terminology for that kind of part is NOR or NOSR, for New, Old-Stock, Replacement....   
7  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Fuel pumps on: September 15, 2014, 11:36:50 AM
That's a good question, I approached it last year with no luck. Was looking for the GPM on a stock/replacement pump.

You won't find a GPM rating chart - the number on the pump is primarily for the pump configuration, essentially the bottom half; where are the inlet and outlet, which way do they point, are they clamped or threaded joints, etc. Shop Manual calls for the same volume for the same time for all pumps.

John:  You said 'primarily' for configuration; Does that mean that if there's a PN difference, that there's some difference in the I/O configuration alignment, orientation, or fitting size/type?  OR is there something else to know about this?   
8  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: September 15, 2014, 09:58:59 AM
I've been doing this stuff for over 40 yrs, and the techniques I have used were the ways I learned around age 20, they 'worked', and I never had reason to 'find a way to do it better'... Smiley, BUT I want to thank John for attaching Lars' paper.  It is EXCELLENT.. and I learned a couple of things that I will use next time I do this job!!

If a 'new Chevy guy' learns and follows the methods described... he should never encounter any insurmountable issues with distributor timing on an old Chevy V8... Smiley

Danny:   READ and HEED Lars' paper...

Thanks again JOHNZ!!  Smiley
9  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: September 13, 2014, 07:37:40 AM
OUTSTANDING, Danny...    you can believe that we are all smiling hugely for you.. Smiley
10  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Earliest vin by the oil filter. on: September 12, 2014, 11:50:52 PM
My 12A L78 original block is stamped on the pad; the 12B L78 spare block I own is stamped above the oil filter. In between those two build weeks, I would guess. Dunno if it would differ between small or big blocks - I severely doubt it.

By the way, the location of the cast date codes on these two "272" blocks differs as well - one is above the pan rail on the side of the block, one is above the bellhousing flange at the upper rear of the block. Just thought I'd throw that in -

Regards,
Steve 

Is your spare block from a Camaro, Steve??
11  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z/28 X77 garage/barn find on: September 12, 2014, 05:51:01 PM
typically those kind of numbers are a date code..might be week of the year (although the 55 example says NO to that), most probably is the Julian date...  or possibly a mold number?

The PN is the 7 digit code..  FK might indicate the manufacturer, and the following number the date code or mold number.
If they're Julian dated then I'd be happy with that.  The 46 would be Feb 15 (Sat) and 55 would be Feb 24 (Mon)  I could live with that.  Smiley
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The dates might be good, but IMO, your bumpers need replacing...  Smiley  PS.   I've been told when you need to do necessary safety related updated to your car, put the original parts in a bag and keep them.... Smiley
12  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: September 12, 2014, 05:49:09 PM
Danny,  remember that a little lead goes a long way (for octane)..  I'd think no more than 3 gallons of 116 octane leaded along with 10-12 gallons of unleaded, would bring your full tank to above 100 Octane...
13  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Earliest vin by the oil filter. on: September 12, 2014, 01:33:58 PM
I'd like to see that too..  I haven't seen an *original* stamp on that cast surface that was ground down first...  of course anything is possible.   It would also be good to see all the other evidences that the engine is original to the car.. ie.   casting/assembly dates, casting numbers, transmission stamping, etc...
14  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z/28 X77 garage/barn find on: September 12, 2014, 08:59:58 AM
typically those kind of numbers are a date code..might be week of the year (although the 55 example says NO to that), most probably is the Julian date...  or possibly a mold number?

The PN is the 7 digit code..  FK might indicate the manufacturer, and the following number the date code or mold number.
15  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z/28 X77 garage/barn find on: September 12, 2014, 08:43:03 AM
Your lwr control arm bumper seems to be original (although very deteriorated) ..  same PN as mine...  the '46' in your case, '1' in mine...  would seem to be some type of date coding...?   below photo is my original..  PN 3928362 FK
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