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General Discussion / Re: Pair of ZL1 COPO's... at Auction.. :)
« on: January 24, 2018, 05:07:43 PM »
the buyer most likely had a big capital gains tax to pay and now since he reinvested the money in a collector car he skips the capital gains taxes for now.  it is like the charity auctions all the money over the list price they pay is tax deductible.

For that to happen, it needs to be a 'like kind' exchange...  ie.  the capital gain he's deferring tax on would have to have come from selling *another collector car' for the tax to be deferred based on buying another collector car...  in other words, he can't defer tax on a capital gain made in the stock market by purchase of a collector car...

General Discussion / Re: Dealer number
« on: January 24, 2018, 05:02:24 PM »
I obtained a LOT of information re 'Dealer names/codes' and zone numbers from questioning a long time friend of mine who has worked in 4 or 5 of the north alabama dealerships in the PARTS Department over 40+ yrs.   It seems the *parts guys* know more about these changes than anyone else in the dealerships as all the parts that come in to them have the zone/dealer number included.  I 'suspect' that GM uses/used the zone/dealer number for shipping/billing of everything shipped to that dealer (cars and parts as well).   For the Huntsville Alabama dealership (that has changed owners/dealer names a half dozen times since then, the *dealer number changed each time.   For all the north Alabama dealerships, the ZONE number also changed several times due to the *warehouse location* changing over the years (It's been in Birmingham, Atlanta, Mississippi, and now is in Texas I think).

So the point of my 'story' here is to find an OLDer long time parts department manager or employee, they *might* be able to recall the history of the zone/dealer numbers for your dealership of interest.

I noticed that also.  My suspicion is that it wasn't listed in the 'engine options', because the 302 was not an engine option; instead it was *part* of the Z28 performance option (including many other parts and requirements beyond the engine).

General Discussion / Re: Dealer number
« on: January 24, 2018, 02:27:30 PM »
The information I gathered in my area for several years in the late 60's, early 70's would suggest that the 'dealer number' would change if there was a change in ownership (or name) of the dealership.

General Discussion / Re: Anybody buy from
« on: January 19, 2018, 01:53:03 PM »
I have a matching pair of 1955 Alabama plates, never used, still in the plastic bags.  I bought them at a swap meet in the mid-70's...  I have no idea what the state(s) did, or were supposed to do, with unsold plates back then or now, but at that time Alabama's plates were made in the state prisons by prisoners.  But they stopped that some time back... (I suppose 'working' inmates came to be considered 'inhumane'?)

Garage Talk / Re: MCACN 2017
« on: January 18, 2018, 04:41:08 PM »
The very low quantity (602) for '67 Z28's made that one a little bigger deal than the higher volume later ones... but it never hurts to try... :)

Mild Modifications / Re: Tri-Power 427 fit under 69 SS hood?
« on: January 18, 2018, 04:39:40 PM »
Good post, and interesting topic and project you have going there!  :)    I, for one, would love to see some photos of what you are doing as you progress... and the YouTube videos you referenced would be a good addition... (I've always just rebuilt per the Service/Overhaul manuals...).

Originality / Re: 69 Z28 carb fuel line bracket.
« on: January 18, 2018, 04:37:07 PM »
Anybody commenting on the 26 buck repop? My car does not have one but I like the looks. Would it have came on the L78 as well?

It's not clear to me that the bracket does very much??  maybe it supports the rear of the fuel line/distribution block, but it doesn't seem to be much weight on the fitting above regardless.... maybe they were getting complaints of that rear fitting 'leaking' fuel??

Originality / Re: 69 Z28 carb fuel line bracket.
« on: January 18, 2018, 03:42:19 PM »
the earliest I've seen anyone report on in our CRG discussions is around May or June '69...  even though the drawing shows it for late '68...   JohnZ responded to that (seeming) discrepancy in one of his posts on those threads, stating that the change didn't go into production at the drawing approvals, but at another point (and I can't recall the exact words he used so I won't try).. :)

Garage Talk / Re: Englishtown ends drag racing....
« on: January 17, 2018, 05:04:25 PM »
I've no idea either, but noise abatement (and local homes/etc), is the main reason many dragstrips have closed...

Garage Talk / Englishtown ends drag racing....
« on: January 17, 2018, 02:51:56 PM »
I've never been there, but I've heard so much about it over the years from many people.  I think there are a few here on CRG who have mentioned racing there...

General Discussion / Re: A First Generation Camaro LEGACY ?
« on: January 16, 2018, 05:20:20 PM »
Darryl wrote:  (in part)...
"...  this is a HOBBY.  If you allow it; it will become a job and will no longer be enjoyable.  Think you had the right idea in a previous post about being out in the driveway sanding on the tri-five with the kids.  That is where it really counts. "

I agree 100% ...    :)     

Originality / Re: 67 Convertible SS/RS horn.
« on: January 16, 2018, 04:37:45 PM »
Thanks for the replays.   I've read the CRG article on horns and it doesn't specifically say if the single horn is a high note or a low note.   I will pull my horn off and try the WD-40 trick.   

Does anybody know why GM only put one horn on RS Convertables?   

Thnx,  ~~joe

I was going to suggest for you to go back and READ the section referenced again.  I just did and it makes perfect sense to me (and answers your question)...  The first sentence stated "As standard equipment, all 1967-1969 Camaros had two aluminum diecast horns made by Delco-Remy."   AND it provides information (PN's, stamping, etc) which lets you identify WHICH horn you have.  DO the work man!  (PS.  and please post a followup and let us know what you find out).. :)

General Discussion / Re: A First Generation Camaro LEGACY ?
« on: January 16, 2018, 04:21:44 PM »
Figure out what you want to include in the database/archive/registry...  Which could include nothing but the VIN and the owners name (and major options/color/trim/etc...possibly)?  Or it might be more, but as you try to include MORE, your problems increase and the owner's hesitancy to provide the data increase as well.

I have a 42 MByte file I've been developing for the past 10 yrs.  Initially it only included the major items:  VIN, info from the cowl plate, data from the engine, trans, etc.. and some historical information as to when I purchased it, who from, and the state of the car when I purchased it.  After I found/registered on CRG, each time a new 'topic' came up, I'd check my car and make notes and/or photos of that part on my car.   As a result of my desire to keep the car original, and thru my involvement with those on CRG, I've now included photos and notes on essentially everything we've discussed (from my car).  I keep the photos included in the *printable* file small enough to fit in a 1/4 page but make sure the 'info' is obvious (on my computer, I keep the large highest resolution files in case I need to refer to them).  When I rebuilt my brakes, I took photos of the calipers, dates, etc.. wheel cylinders, the original rear brake shoes/hardware (which I retained).  When I replaced the soft parts (rubber brake lines) I retained and photographed the originals (due to Steve Shauger's suggestion to do so).   I would not pass along ALL of the information I've gathered to such a registry; it would only be passed to the 'next owner' if I'm alive when that happens.. :)

BUT.. I would pass along relevant information (dates, codes,etc) to such a registry if we arrive at a reasonable level of information that the folks here on CRG are agreed to.  In fact, over the last 10 yrs, I have included info and photos of the parts from my car in CRG threads when it was useful to answer a question or help another CRG member.

I don't know if this helps you, or not, but FWIW, this is what I've done on a personal level.

General Discussion / Re: A First Generation Camaro LEGACY ?
« on: January 16, 2018, 04:15:35 AM »
The data produced by the report Jerry produces is *owned* by the person who contracted him to do it (normally the owner of the car), UNLESS Jerry has some clause in his 'contract' with them that states that 'Jerry now owns the contents of the report on the owners car'.   ie.  If you contract with someone to do a service for you, providing acess to/information from something you own, ownership of that information does NOT pass to the service provider.   Without requesting/receiving right to pass along that data from the owner, Jerry could not provide you all his data even if he wanted to do that.

Austin:  IMO... You're getting TOO far reaching with your aspirations.   Any information provided to you should come from the owner(s) of the vehicles, and once that was provided, you or some expert could 'assess' that information.   Back up a bit, go back to your original goal statement..  to develop a *limited* data base to serve as a 'First Gen' Camaro Registry.  it's always going to be limited to data on the cars submitted to you by their owners.   It's going to be limited due to a number of reasons:  1) How many HUNDREDS of thousands of first gen Camaros were built??  2)  It's been more than 50 yrs since they were produced and many are GONE, or trashed..  3) Many owners just consider them 'old cars' and couldn't care about your 'registry'.   We who are on CRG (and maybe Team Camaro) are the MOST interested re Camaros.. and compare our numbers to those total numbers of cars to get what I'm trying to say.   1967 Z28s are probably the only model/yr that had a small enough quantity to *maybe* generate a decent registry, and even that is nearly impossible to ever get a full listing.

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