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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Were 69 SS also made in CA plant?
« on: April 14, 2018, 02:16:19 AM »
UPDATE:  I have identified the car is a Z28 Camaro, not an SS.  The 3rd owner swears it was not a Z28, but the documentation previous to him proves it was.  Some of the things that threw me off besides him was the Big block radiator, which I found out was made in June, 1970;  the clips for two fuel lines- which was on big blocks and the Z28.  Erroneously ruling out the Z28, the only other model would have been an SS. 

So, the original owners family has provided me with a wealth of information saying it was a Z28, that the original owner ordered.  A newspaper article dated in June of 1971 in Eagle Grove, Iowa tells the original owners name, and that it was a Z28 as well.

The second owner was a car dealer in Iowa, who I am guessing did not know that the 69 Z28 Camaros made in California did not have X codes on the trim tag, and therefor was sure it was not a Z28.  BUT- the rear end numbers and leaf springs are so very close to the manufacturing date  it would be all but impossible to find one to match the manufacturing date of this specific Camaro.

I talked with the second owner's mechanic and body man who converted this Z28 into an SCCA race car, and he explained the damage to the car was sheet metal, and the complete driveline survived the crash and was used to race with.  This included the rear end, which had less than 23,000 miles on it.  The rear end was rebuilt in the late 1970's and 4.11 gears installed in it along with new clutches.  The Camaro only raced a couple events after that and those non original parts are still in it.


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Decoding/Numbers / Re: need 1969 Los Angeles Z28 expert...
« on: April 14, 2018, 02:00:53 AM »
But the rear differential ..say was one. 
What's the axle code?
3.   REAR AXLE- (original) assembled January 20, 1969: All Z28 had 12 bolt rear ends.
12 bolt, 8.875”
Stamp codes on tube= BU 0120G1
                                                 E
Decodes as BU- originally a 3:73 gear (BV was a 4:10), with posi, 12 bolt for 1969.
01= January, 20= 20th day, G= Detroit Gear and Axle plant, 1= 1st shift, E= Eaton posi unit.  BU was the normal rear end ratio recommended for the Z28.  Doug Walker had the gears changed to 4:10 after he bought it.

Axle Housing casting(original) cast Jan 3, 1969:  The photos of the housing show the following casted in numbers:
•   Test numbers- 12345 
•   Test numbers- 67890
•   Part # 3894860NF= 12 bolt casting #.
•   GM58= GM Model number of differential
•   CON1= casting foundry conveyor #.
•   Date:  A39= decoded as a= January.  3= 3rd day of month.  9= 1969 year cast.
Axle posi-traction unit (internal) is original but had new clutches in it. 
Axle Gears (internal):  Not original:  The axle has 4:10 gears in it by manually counting turns. The clutches in the posi-unit were replaced in 1982 by a performance shop in Ankeny, and Laverty changed the axle gears from 3:73 to the current 4:10 in it now.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: need 1969 Los Angeles Z28 expert...
« on: April 14, 2018, 01:57:45 AM »
Dan, are there more clues than just the rear axle housing stamp? I suggested Jerry M as I thought from the wording of your question there was more evidence on the car or in the documentation to assess it.....
Now based on Gary's comment above, I had a look at your older posts and it sounds as though you found evidence during disassembly that the car was originally a 396 with C60?
   Yes, years ago, I posted we figured out it was a 396.  The co-owner of the Camaro told me the guy he bought it from told him it was not a Z28.  Taking his word for it, the only other combination would have had to of been a 396 SS Camaro.  That was then.  But, when I found photos of when it was a street car and wrecked, it had a Z28 badge on the driver's front fender.  I had known it was made in Van Nuys, but had no idea why it ended up in Iowa.  The article in the paper told the original owner's name, and that it was a Z28.   Then I contacted the first owner's family after finding their names in his obituary.  One by one, they all said it was a Z28.  So how does an Iowa Dealer think it is NOT a Z28?  I can only guess the trim tax does not have an X code on it, so he thought it was NOT a Z28.  The Co- owner still swears it is not one.  So I was hoping for someone I could get to clear this up.  I have copies of the newspaper article, names, contact info, notes on what they said, and part numbers off the Camaro.  I have the complete owner history now, all 4 owners.  But if you guys can't help, that is OK.  Just trying to do the right thing, and thought I could get someone to help me.  I wish I could correct my old posts, but water under the bridge.  I know a lot more now.
Thanks, Dan

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: need 1969 Los Angeles Z28 expert...
« on: April 13, 2018, 02:48:35 PM »
Racerdan, You have a pm.
But the rear differential ..say was one. 
What's the axle code?


12 bolt, 8.875”
Stamp codes on tube= BU 0120G1
                                                 E
Decodes as BU- originally a 3:73 gear (BV was a 4:10), with posi, 12 bolt for 1969.
01= January, 20= 20th day, G= Detroit Gear and Axle plant, 1= 1st shift, E= Eaton posi unit.  BU was the normal rear end ratio recommended for the Z28.  Doug Walker had the gears changed to 4:10 after he bought it.

Axle Housing casting(original) cast Jan 3, 1969:  The photos of the housing show the following casted in numbers:
•   Test numbers- 12345 
•   Test numbers- 67890
•   Part # 3894860NF= 12 bolt casting #.
•   GM58= GM Model number of differential
•   CON1= casting foundry conveyor #.
•   Date:  A39= decoded as a= January.  3= 3rd day of month.  9= 1969 year cast.


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Decoding/Numbers / Re: need 1969 Los Angeles Z28 expert...
« on: April 13, 2018, 02:46:36 PM »
Hi Dan (racerdan)...  :)

Didn't you used to be pretty involved with 'C3 Corvettes', have a 'Spirit of America' paint scheme,  and involved with the NCM??  :)    if so, fancy meeting you here!

Gary


 
Who, ME?  Hahahahaha!  Hi Gary!  Yep, still alive, playing with cars.  Still have 2 Corvette, including my Stars and Stripes showcar!

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Decoding/Numbers / need 1969 Los Angeles Z28 expert...
« on: April 13, 2018, 03:15:30 AM »
I am looking for a respected Z28 Camaro authority to verify and authenticate a 1969 Z28 made in Van Nuys, Ca plant.  I have a complete trail with names, phone numbers, etc of those who knew the car, a history of all of the owners from new.  This is a documented Vintage SCCA Road Race car, that the third owner I bought it from was told was not a Z28.  But the rear differential and original owner's family say was one.  Of course it does not have the X code on the trim tag.  It was made Feb 3, 1969, shipped to Paso Robles, CA.

I have photos of the original rear end numbers, stampings (and access to it out of the car).  I have the documentation and done the hard work, now need someone to make expert decision and provide proof it was originally a Z28 besides me.

Who would I go to for this?  The car is in Des Moines, IA.

Thanks for any help guys!

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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Intent of the 1st-Gen Trans-Am Camaro Forum
« on: January 09, 2018, 11:23:30 PM »
Is there a spot to post about original SCCA A Sedan racing of First Gen Camaros?  We finally finished ours, completed our documentation back to the GM plant in Van Nuys, with log books, etc. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fK3bHOMJ7o

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: ???? Transmission ???
« on: March 03, 2010, 03:36:36 AM »
You are in luck!  

If a manual, you can find out if it had a Muncie or a Saginaw by where the hole in the firewall was cut to feed the speedo cable to your dash.  If it was an auto, you can find out by looking at the tunnel area.  

Check this web page out, it covers it in detail:

http://www.camaros.org/options.shtml

Racer Dan

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Were 69 SS also made in CA plant?
« on: February 04, 2010, 02:29:48 AM »
The car has front disc brakes, rear drum. 

Trim Tag:
ST69= 1969 Model Year
12437= Camaro, V-8 Engine, Coupe.
VN235379= Body made at Van Nuys, CA plant, sequence # 235379 (sequence number of body is not supposed to be the same as the VIN sequence number.)
TR- 711= Trim number, black standard bucket seat interior
72 72= paint code top/bottom- Hugger Orange
01D= Date code 4th week of January (matches vin and date codes on other orginal parts like rear end.
V144= Build date of body- V= 22nd day of month, car #144 for that day.


The quadrajet was only put on the L34 and L35 396 cars, I think.  The VIN ends with 520387, made about the 4th day of February, I think.

Is there any way to tell if the car came with a 325 versus a 350 hp 396?

Thanks again!

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Were 69 SS also made in CA plant?
« on: February 03, 2010, 07:53:12 AM »
For clarification, the speedo hole is above the accelerator pedal, for a muncie trans.  Not sure how to edit my above post.  The radiator is # 3018624, made for COPO and 396 manual cars.  End codes on tank match OO, and has the curved neck, typical of BB air cars and COPO cars.

VIN is not on list of COPO cars, and car was made Feb 4, 1969.

HELP, PLEASE!

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Need reproduction VIN
« on: February 03, 2010, 07:26:08 AM »
Does anyone have the saddle the VIN sits in on a 69?  I understand the vin is a plate, and the saddle or holder holds the VIN plate tight against the dash.  This saddle has two holes in it for the rivets. 

I think it is the same with Chevelles and others, but not sure.  If you have one, please email me at Dan73Vette@AOL with the cost.  It does not have to be perfect.... 

Thanks!

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Decoding/Numbers / Were 69 SS also made in CA plant?
« on: February 03, 2010, 07:18:48 AM »
Struggling with a 69 that has:

Van Nuys trim tag
12 bolt original rear end with 373 gears, drum brakes- with cooling vent holes in side of drum
two line fuel line- one small, one large
Big block air radiator
hole for speedo on drivers side of steering wheel shaft hole.
brake proportioning valve under drivers side frame
engine missing
Heater box missing
Trim tag does not id it as a X-22, etc.  It is blank at this spot
Black door sills
Original rear panel replaced

Questions:
1.  Did they any make SS Camaros in California in 69?
2.  Is this a L34 or L35 car, since it has two fuel lines, one small, one large?

Appreciate any help!  Thanks!

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Need reproduction VIN
« on: January 02, 2010, 11:04:04 PM »
Good point, but that is why documentation is so important if you are sellign a real car, especially a rare one.  I have been in the Corvette world for years, and they have a lot of phonies, too. 

The buyer needs to make sure he is well educated, and if buying a rare car for premium mone,y he has to have an expert look at it. 

In my case, plum L78 is right, I have the documents, and own the car, have the vin on the cowl, the rest is documented with papers and photos, orginal parts, etc. 

If I was faking a 6 cyl car to a V8, my title would obviously expose that.  I can't get it faked, the State has it on file!

But in my case, the value of the car will be in the finished product and its log books proving its race history, not in the original product since the restoration is to its race condition.

Thanks for all the feedback, guys!!!

Racer Dan   

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Decoding/Numbers / Need reproduction VIN
« on: December 31, 2009, 09:06:27 PM »
I am i n the process of replacing the top metal dash on our 69 Vintage Race Car.  The one in the car is damaged, and cut away where the vin orginally was (probably from previous impact, as windshield frame area is damaged there, too).

I have the title, and the vin on the cowl does match the title.  The trim tag also matches up with the build date of that vin, so i am 100% confidant that the title is for the car. 

Is there a company that will make a replacement VIN if we have the proper documentation?  Contact numbers?  Approximate cost?  I need the rivits, too.

Fell free to email me directly at Dan73Vette@AOL.com if you prefer.

Thanks,

Racer Dan 

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Decode help- steer box/ pitman arm
« on: December 31, 2009, 09:00:37 PM »
Thanks, Jon.  Now I know i can get rid of it!

RD

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