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811  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Color Change? on: August 05, 2008, 05:07:10 PM
 Well Mark, Thanks for the occupation info. That being said, Lose the blue and well...you know the rest.  Take care, Scott
812  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Color Change? on: August 05, 2008, 02:16:10 PM
 This could go on forever. I agree with aspects of outlooks stated. Finances and money are relative to the person and NOT that simple.  The cars I have done in the past and made the most $ on are cars that were contracted on an hourly basis, no matter the hinderence. I have told people they can purchase a finished car for thousands less but they(not all) want it done anyway. 1st Gen Addict is right. The hours required to do a car top to bottom and make a  good profit is minimal if working outside these contractual parameters. Rollers are another story. Many  people cannot fabricate or paint but desparately want to build a car. Nor spend the $ to set up shop and acquire such knowledge for one car they want before they die. So they can buy a roller and put it together themselves. If your doing your own car it does not matter because you enjoy it. Even if you sell your own car you got to use it and $ will be returned. It depends how much your time is worth. If one is combining other aspects to the business the loss/leader business practice applies. What are you making on a yearly basis calculating the hours required? One car-one time resto and  quick profit? Rare indeed. I know a local gentleman who is able to locate desireable cars(Janes are out) in various stages of condition at shockingly low prices. And is fortunate enough to have a client/collector pay him hourly for work performed. But that's his profession through and through. I'm a hobbiest now mostly and on occasion will get something cheap, fix it and sell it. It comes easy to me and I can do it fast and right(Is there any other way?) And I'm sure a lot of you out there can as well.    Thank you,  Scott
813  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Color Change? on: August 05, 2008, 06:28:40 AM
 The Board can give you a better definative depreciation figure. However, to what degree do you intend on taking the resto? Will all components be correct? Do you have any docs? Will it at least be an origional color to that year? You have to consider marketability. I do all my own work and my opinion does not represent the preferences of all potential buyers. Personally, I would prefer an origional color on a #'s matching or non #'s matching car. Or if you are building it for yourself. I have a #'s matching 67 Jane with POP that I will die with so I built it my way.  Also a Code 00 that won't be painted anything but, even if for resale. If you are being contracted by a client to shoot it a color of their choice,you may decide to do so. If a car were a Z, SS, COPO, L-30 or any other more desireable car color change would negatively affect the value of the car and it's marketability. Not to mention violate conformity ethics. If you can apply ethics to iron.  Scott 
814  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Grille color on a X44? on: August 04, 2008, 01:17:39 PM
 Thank you. That is now my understanding. That there is nothing different from a base model grille or a COPO Grille. I know COPO's just a drivetrain preference. I just posted the pic for additional reference for the guy re-painting his grill. That grill could have been for a base model as well. Fortunately,I have a neighbor who deals in COPO's and has a greater understanding of these matters like the members on the CRG board.
815  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Grille color on a X44? on: August 04, 2008, 10:29:34 AM
 Here's another COPO silver grille. Neighbor had center only. Silver was on base models too, Right?(Black,COPO and RS being the exception?)
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817  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Grille color on a X44? on: August 03, 2008, 08:59:44 PM
 I Stand corrected. I don't know 69's that well. The L-78 I mentioned has a black grille and it's supposed to so the photo I have does you no good. I got an education from the present owner. COPO's got a silver grille too? Didn't know that California cars had no X codes either. Can't believe no one jumped all over my L-78 mistake.
818  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Grille color on a X44? on: August 03, 2008, 03:51:44 PM
Now I finally know what you meant when you stated just the front portion. I will always prefer human relations on a closer biological basis. I just need to get photo tonight of my friends old L-78 tonight( low mi. origional rust free tin, 4 sp. deluxe, build sheet, bought 16 years ago 85% done for a low price that makes me sick. On its way to northwest now. Saw the road for 25 miles in all that time.
819  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Re: Headers on: August 03, 2008, 10:58:25 AM
 Did he tee it off to follow your vacuum advance advice?  Scott
820  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Grille color on a X44? on: August 03, 2008, 10:51:53 AM
I was talking about the portion between that and the headlamp bezel. Ithought that would be self-explanitory. Neighbor will be home tonight to get pics of L78 code 72. Where's that new lazer pointer I just bought........Scott
821  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Grille color on a X44? on: August 02, 2008, 12:30:27 PM
  Yes. Egg Crate meaning mesh pattern. Yes. Silver all the way to fender, not just the center. As John stated the bright trim remains bright. My neighbor has an L78 (Code72). If he's around I can get a pic if the car has not been shipped yet.  Scott
822  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Steering box rebuild on: August 02, 2008, 08:41:28 AM
 You may try POWER STEERING SERVICES, INC. in Springfield, MO also. A musclecar enthusiast as well. Offers free conversion to quick ratio. Never dealt with him but sounds intruiging. You may find that one you choose are actually doing the rebuilds for the vendors (not necessarily a bad thing). This was the case for MASTER POWER BRAKE.  Scott
823  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Steering box rebuild on: August 01, 2008, 11:37:44 PM
 With patience you can DIY.  Vendors are not doing them in house. After purchasing other rebuilt products from several with unsatifactory workmanship I have instead located local shops with solid reputations to do the rebuilds I don't (Starters and alternators [previous units had been bought "rebuilt" from vendors with used brushes and dry bearings] ). I suggest finding a shop that will do it for you and they may be less expensive as you are getting it done directly. And you get to meet the person turning the wrenches. I have not bought a steering box from a vender so my outlook may be harsh. However, It seems that inferior parts today are not uncommon. Another member can direct you to someone reputable I'm sure. 
824  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Wiring Diagrams on: July 28, 2008, 08:09:20 PM
 Yes MP-50. I just pulled that out. I have the same one. I just looked up their new website which is under construction but they have all products listed and pricing too. The site that Richard suggested has nicer color coded, laminated diagrams. More $ of course but the book you and I have covers all 3 years for $7.    Scott
825  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Sand blast or acid dip? on: July 24, 2008, 03:39:16 PM
 Yes to first question. Same process used for body shells and the like. Cost vs time factor. Does the price include the dip. Will you be doing the prep and paint if you sandblast? Paint and supplies must be added to balance sheet. IMO it's not a major concern regarding the inside if not badly rusted. If you feel so inclined then POR-15 the inside. I have been caught in torrential rainstorms and one frame of mine looks fine after 13,000 miles and over 20 years.(Sandblasted, epoxied and semigloss blacked--no extensive treatment to inside of frame was excecuted) Others besides this look just as good. Variables aside, you'll probably be dead before it looks bad enough to re-do for a driver.  Scott
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