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31  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 68 inner quarter pinch weld / door gap on: April 15, 2014, 06:39:24 PM
How about a photo of your problem area?
32  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Horn Button Assembly 67 Camaro on: April 12, 2014, 06:30:50 PM
The part is hard to see in the link sent, but look closely and you will see it around the metal spring plate.
Click on the magmifying glass in the corner for enlargement.
33  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Treating inside of rocker rails & the snow is gone! on: April 12, 2014, 10:52:17 AM
I just don't subscribe to a one size fits alll repair.
I cater to each area , and replace as needed. It may not be as profitable as what you are accustomed to, but it doesn't cut unnecessarily into a nice car where unwarranted. It is on a as needed basis only. BUT if cutting every time gives you the warm fuzzies than ok.
That is what cutting out that small piece out is doing, catering to the area. Every job is different. I don't replace entire sections or panels if it's not needed. Using mig wire alone in the rot holes as you suggested is not going to repair that area. The metal is rotten and thin, there is a piece missing and those holes larger than pinholes.
You are correct, one size does not fit all. Each job gets evaluated and repaired accordingly. This is not about profiting or doing more than is required at the customer's expense.
Tubes are galvanized
Never seen that before! Only parts I thought were gal on these cars were the headliner attachment strips, floorpan plugs and the wiring loom cover/carpet support at the door openings.
Rockers are galvanized, so are the door jamb supports.
34  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Treating inside of rocker rails & the snow is gone! on: April 11, 2014, 08:09:14 PM
The area shown needs to be cut out. No mig wire hole filling techniques are going to properly fix the half rotten hole or the adjacent pitted and thin areas. I deal with rot repair and panel replacement on a weekly basis. When pinchwelds and lapped panels are swollen and rotten, shortcutting is not the best approach to a lasting repair.
35  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Treating inside of rocker rails & the snow is gone! on: April 11, 2014, 07:10:38 PM
I disagree. It's a very simple and quick process to cut out a small rusted rectanglar portion and replace it with a new piece of metal. Filling the hole in the areas shown with mig wire is not a correct repair. Certain holes can be done in such a manner, but not those. The plastic plug hole itself is partially missing, so that area needs a proper repair.  Correct procedures don't do more damage, they ensure a lasting repair.
If the owner's car is never going to see water again and rarely sees the road then perhaps he can just leave it the way it is. He may be under the dirt before the rusted areas becomes a major concern.
36  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Treating inside of rocker rails & the snow is gone! on: April 11, 2014, 06:27:13 PM
I go through this on every resto. Remove the plugs and the drain flaps. There is also a plug under the carpet. Attach a wand to a blow nozzle and clean the cavity. If media blasting this is also standard procedure. During a resto the sheetmetal flap at the leading edge of the rocker can also be opened to provide additional wand access. After cleanng apply a cavity wax, but do so post paint, not pre paint. They are made by numerous companies such as SEM, 3M, Wurth, Transtar, etc. Buy an an application wand that affixes to a Schutz gun. A corrosion paint like SEM Rust Shield can also be applied prior to the cavity wax. These post paint procedures apply to all cavities in the car.

67rs327,
That rot on your wheelhouse needs to be repaired. The correct way is to cut out the rotten metal and replace, not just fill the holes with mig wire. It rotted because there are two adjoined pieces of metal there and that's where cars first rot out. After cutting that out, the rocker cavity will be more easily cleaned. There's no telling what else may need repair. If that is rotten, it's a sure bet other areas are as well.
37  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Horn Button Assembly 67 Camaro on: April 11, 2014, 04:55:45 PM
There is no plastic insulator. Where does it go and what does it look like?
See the ring in the following link? It isolates the spring steel disc. http://www.ss396.com/camaro/IHC-KITX.html
38  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Horn Button Assembly 67 Camaro on: April 11, 2014, 12:15:03 PM
Is the ivory plastic insulator ring installed under the steel disc?? I can't tell from that photo.
39  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: '67 Roofrail Weather Strip Channels on: April 09, 2014, 08:39:08 AM
Use single sided adhesive thin foam tape, not the double faced(D/F) tape in that Heartbeat link. Vendors will describe anything as being correct and people will buy it. In their description they don't know the difference between width and thickness either. The weatherstrip channel is adjusted to the windows after window installation, Heartbeat's 3M D/F tape won't allow any adjustment. Foam tape can be purchased at any hardware store, 3M D/F tape at any jobber.
40  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: rain drip bright molding on: April 07, 2014, 06:44:04 PM
Hi Darrell,  I'm guessing those are stainless as well? Is there a point where you can polish them to a substrate level and discolor them?  I'm haveing an issue where it appears that I'm down a little too far, and getting a copper tint.... They are factory originals....
You may have sanded or buffed through the flash chrome.

I have a car that was shipped to me for assembly which was supplied with repro drip rail moldings from D&R. From what I recall they were not as bad as anticipated. When I pull them out again I'll double check. LH NOS molding can be purchased at GM Parts Direct.
41  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Rust on galvanized parts on: March 21, 2014, 06:33:19 AM
The headliner tack strip appears to just have glue on it. If the retainer needs to be removed, the clips must be extracted correctly or they will be ruined. POR(Paint Over Rust) is not the best method to stop rust, removal is. Bare, non galvy metal can be etch or epoxy primed and topcoated if you run your car, and it's not afraid to be exposed to water. The tracks should be left unpainted and treated as James did. There are other coatings besides POR if one must cheat. POR and Eastwood have targeted the hobbiest with little knowledge of the industry. Local jobbers have other products one can use. There's even POR's competitor which is Master Series. Permatex has a rust treatment, Mar-Hyde has One Step. SEM, which provides professional products to the industry has corrosion treatments.
42  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: widow felts nos vs. A.Mrkt. on: March 20, 2014, 09:06:34 AM
Ko-lek-tor, I have been looking for the manufacturer name of the better felts, I think it was "Re-pro Parts" but can't verify it yet. If I find it I will let you know.
The company is Repops. I have not used them yet but some have had success. I'm sure more threads can be found at TC, these are just two I recall from Rick and Roger. All one has to do is ask a vendor what their retuirn policy is. If you don't like them just send them back. I've done it numerous times.
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=265033&highlight=repops

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=217520&highlight=repop+window+felts
43  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: widow felts nos vs. A.Mrkt. on: March 19, 2014, 05:12:49 AM
I had more issues with the more narrow rubber strip along the bead.  It was only about 60% as wide as the original...   Sad
That width difference is shown in the link I provided on the previous page. The retainer location on the felts or the quarter may result in the rubber strip being sucked below the quarter ledge.
44  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: widow felts nos vs. A.Mrkt. on: March 16, 2014, 04:43:05 PM
Recently purchased PUI felts shown have sharp ends as James stated. PUI felts bought 10 years ago are the same. Quarter window felt shapes vary and may not match the window ledge contour very well.
 
45  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Order of assembly when painting car on: March 15, 2014, 05:51:49 AM
  I recommend drilling a few small diameter pilot holes through the floor/top of sub frame for proper realignment ( very small, like I said you would utilize these as a guide to get you back exactly were you were before disassembly) cuts the diagonals(cross measurements)out--keep it simple.

How do you know the subframe is aligned before disassembly if you don't measure it? Subframe R&R is easy; just read the tape measure.
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