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31  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Hours of body part install on: September 17, 2014, 10:50:49 AM
   A dynacorn body is not plug and play. They require mods for parts fit and panel alignment. So you'll have to add an hourly rate to the body purchase price. You are better off buying a project car that someone has started or a better shell. Entire structure assemblies can also be purchsed and all you have to do is drop on the top half.  

   Crash book prices apply to 1967 and are for GM panels on a new car back then. Repro installation base prices can increase depending on mods required.
A shop should provide a price range. Any shop that gives a set price is bound to become a problem when diving into a pile of rot. From what I recall from the photos of your car, it's pretty much toast. I tell customers to look at AMD's price guide to see what an average price can be. And these are not set in stone.

   The level of quality you want greatly influences cost.

   I would strongly suggest getting references, looking at work performed by the shop and talking to their customers. I had a car shipped to me for a roof skin and tailpanel installation. New quarters were just installed by another shop but over rotten driprails and roof skin. So I had to cut the quarters off off and scrap them. The shop sold him Gmark doors and fenders that were junk. Those I replaced with GM parts.
After replacing all exterior panels on the car the customer could not afford to have me take the job to final paint. So the car was shipped 9 hours back to its home. After he had it painted the car was shipped back to me and I had to redo some of their work. More needs to be corrected but finances won't allow it. Save a penny, waste a dollar.

  Do your research.
32  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: She's Painted! on: September 14, 2014, 06:48:17 PM
Yes, I usually shoot 2-3 coats, (White stripes 3, 2 for black) typically leave the tape in place or re-mask the edges and cut any imperfections/rough polish with the tape there so I won't accidentally take the edge down too far. With 3 coats after un-taping the taped edges feel "tall" which I slightly cut with 2000.
As an aside... I often tape edges and creased crowns/breaklines when polishing vehicles. 

Depends on paint company, coverage, knowledge of product and spraying technique. 1.5 - 2 coats of Concept black or white for stripes and I'm done. If you over reduce it a tad and keep the mil thickness down it leaves a minimal edge. I pull my tape as soon as the paint is out of dust. All you want is coverage, not thickness. Once the stripes are tickled and buffed the edge is still there but not like that of a non buffed buried stripe.
33  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: She's Painted! on: September 08, 2014, 09:42:28 PM
Stripes buried under the clear?
34  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: She's Painted! on: September 08, 2014, 06:24:37 PM
It does look nice. No offense but I think you should have them redo the firewall blackout. It appears they use 3M Soft Sdge Foam Masking Tape. It would not have looked like that from the factory. I'd make sure the dash top has a suede finish also. If you are going all out on a correct resto it makes sense to pay attention to factory correct details. If you are not, then the details don't matter.
35  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: She's Painted! on: September 03, 2014, 06:12:26 AM
Looks nice. Is that a hard tape line on the firewall blackout? If so it should be softened. Many photos here for reference.
36  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: custom striped Z I saw this weekend on: August 27, 2014, 08:17:13 PM
That car need era correct wheels like Cragars sized accordingly front and rear, with proper tires to go with the endless line, and ladder bars. Then it will be a suitable candidate for
37  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: New body? on: July 29, 2014, 09:36:54 PM
I'd call a Dynacorn rep to verify the near perfect gaps claimed is true and can be guaranteed in writing, and all components will fit like GM. I have had customers pay for flawless gaps and it is not cheap. I have yet to see GM or repro panels fit with flawless show gaps. In the link is a car done by Jayson. If the quality of a repro part or body has vastly improved I'd like to know about it. Otherwise I would not still be buying assembly line take off parts. I 've had repro panels vary in quality tremendously. And late stamped GM are often no prize. Buy a D.Corn body and still have to pay a tech to fix all the flaws is not going to cost less than a rebuild; not unless one is satisfied with hackwork. Not to mention all parts and components should fit just like factory also; which is a common complaint in repro tin.  Note the amount of hours involved in the link. Jayson's work can be seen at Refinish Network on other restos.

Quality is in the eye of the beholder. I've seen cars that are butchered and the owner thinks they're flawless. When repro bodies can be guaranteed to be just like GM or better, I'll stop rebuilding a GM body. It sure would be a lot easier and cheaper. No brainer to just scuff, paint and reassemble. Or just raise the repro shell price to $20K with no flaws and make it easier.

I priced out an entire dynacorn body for a 69 a few years ago, and it was around $13k for an entire new body, including delivery to my door.  It included every new panel of sheetmetal, and was guaranteed by the seller to have the doors and trunk lid prefit with supposedly near perfect gaps before being sent out.  Not sure how much this has gone up, but I know that the seller I spoke with was willing to deal a little, and the advertised price was not set in stone.  Bear in mind, this was a few years ago, and they were trying to get this things out there for all of us to see.

Just a thought.

38  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: any of you ever sued over a car you bought on: July 25, 2014, 12:32:57 AM
Perhaps the dealer that sold it to him, bought it without knowing the extent of the damage as well. Could it be possible it has changed hands a couple times since being "fixed" up?
Is there a statute of limitations when fraud is committed?

That makes three dealers who can't evaluate a car. How is it some can properly inspect a car's body and others cannot? Maybe that's why some of those who cannot call those who can.
39  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: any of you ever sued over a car you bought on: July 24, 2014, 08:58:03 PM
Quotes from the other thread about this car

"Yes i got the car from a dealer,  i dont think they knew the car had the problems,  and the way it was all hidden there was no way to to know.  besdides the roof,  i guess the car has been fixed correctley over time,  the body work was straight as can be, and gaps where good, also all the pannels sounded the same,"

"I am a dealer and he was a delaer but ive never had a issue like this."

The hackwork on this car was not hidden to the uneducated eye. One look at this indicates a low dollar problem car. I've seen this time and time again. People with no experience buy a POS and pay too much because they have no bodywork experience and fail to have a car inspected by someone who does.
40  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: any of you ever sued over a car you bought on: July 22, 2014, 08:16:03 PM
The wording in this sentence suggests KERR paid more than $4K for this car: "I feel like i paid a lot of money for a $4K car".

There are numerous other threads on T. Camaro and other sites where uneducated buyers purchased junk. I've priced jobs for clients that became unaffordable because they had no clue what they were looking at upon purchase.
41  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: any of you ever sued over a car you bought on: July 22, 2014, 04:04:04 PM
I read your other thread about this car and am curious why you did not have someone with bodywork experience inspect it. Riveted quarters should have been noticed upon inspection, as well as the lower fender butchery. The paint is horrendous and gaps are awful. In the first pic, the leading edge of the vinyl top is a clear indication of a nightmare. All that is enough to make me walk unless the car is dirt cheap; not to mention the red flag of a dealer sale. That car was worth nowhere near the $4K you think is was. Good luck on the lawsuit.

If you are considering a Dynacorn body be aware that they are not plug and play. Extensive work is required to make them acceptable unless they have improved quality tremendously. Read Jayson's #14 reply. I know him from Refinish Network.
42  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Lacquer question on: June 14, 2014, 05:30:42 PM
You can use urethane BC followed by clear. TCP Global sells lacquer but I don't buy there so minimum qty is unknown. I can still buy lacquer here.
I have extra LeMans Blue from a job you can have for the price of postage. I'll just do a pour off into a touch up bottle. The same can be done with primer unless you have some. Your local bodyshop with a mixing system can mix a tenth of a pint too; if you know one that would do you the favor. Jobbers have a 1/2 pint minimum.

Is you paint original and if not is it cleared? Don't over buff the area after touch up if uncleared or you could screw up the metallic.
43  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67 & 68 BumbleBee Stripe on: June 08, 2014, 11:13:10 AM
From a design standpoint and in my opinion the underscored stripe looks incomplete and lacks consistency. I also do not like the longer, earlier version of the stripe. Viewed from any angle except perpendicular to the car's side, it appears awkward. The short stripe follows the contour of the fender which appears consistent.
44  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Original versus New Sheet Metal on: May 10, 2014, 07:17:10 AM
Without a visual I cannot tell what a fair amount of work is. Your repro SS hood's crown will require work to fit the fenders, and its front detail may not look like a GM hood. The notch at the rear corners will also not be the same, if it has one at all. The sides may not be straight and mods may be required for gap consistency. I strongly suggest reparing salvageable original panels or replacing with GM assembly line take offs. If you search diligently you will find them.

NOS fenders are not always that great, especially late stampings. I recently installed a late stamped pair and each required a day to correct problems. The repro Goodmark RS valance supplied with the last car was tossed in favor of a GM used one that needed some work. Most Goodmark panels are garbage. If you need repro quarters buy AMD.
45  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: How to Fix Loose or Sagging Side Door Mirrors on: April 29, 2014, 10:19:27 PM
Anybody have a pic of mirror with glass out.
How about checkin' out the link in the first post?
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