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16  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Order of assembly when painting car on: March 15, 2014, 05:51:49 AM
  I recommend drilling a few small diameter pilot holes through the floor/top of sub frame for proper realignment ( very small, like I said you would utilize these as a guide to get you back exactly were you were before disassembly) cuts the diagonals(cross measurements)out--keep it simple.

How do you know the subframe is aligned before disassembly if you don't measure it? Subframe R&R is easy; just read the tape measure.
17  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Order of assembly when painting car on: March 14, 2014, 06:31:46 AM
The shop should discuss all the options with you. Before you proceed with that, ask to see photos of their work from bare metal to paint. Photos don't always show flaws. If you know what straight panels look like, make sure they can deliver them and the type of panel alignment and gaps desired. Gaps exceeding that of what assembly line panels provide are costly. What some customers think is good others may not. Some shops will provide wavy panels, inferior paint and poor alignment, others will not.

18  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: widow felts nos vs. A.Mrkt. on: March 10, 2014, 09:06:20 AM
PUI vs GM felt comparison beginning at post #35 in this thread: http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=212160&page=3
19  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Perventing rust in the 1/4 panels of my 69 camaro on: February 28, 2014, 07:38:18 PM
Rust Fighter I is just a cavity wax with wicking properties, not a paint or converter. Paints like SEM Rust Shield can be applied first, then followed with cavity wax. The condition of pinchwelds, amount of rust between them and ipotential to pop out is the concern. A solid, pampered car should not rot before you do.
20  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Perventing rust in the 1/4 panels of my 69 camaro on: February 27, 2014, 06:25:54 PM
Go to your local jobber and buy cavity waxes/internal coatings and an application wand. SEM, 3M(Rust Fighter I) and Transtar all have them, Wurth is another good product. I don't use POR products on any job. If you navigate the aforementioned company sites, all the info is available.
21  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Are There Any "Off Limit" Areas in Your Restoration? on: February 24, 2014, 11:08:33 AM
I guess it will be a semi-preserved car. I don't want the underside painted either. Is there a preservative or clear that will protect underside and inner panels from corrosion and rust?
With the floorpan and rear frame rail rot I've seen on your car, how are you not going to paint the belly? Blasting is a requirement for proper repair. Cavity waxes are available from multiple companies. Other post paint rust prevention measures should also be taken. Your bodyshop should know all this.
22  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Nagging questions about parts and restoration direction on: February 24, 2014, 11:02:42 AM
This being the case how were replacements indexed (inner supports to fneder crest line etc.) ?

There are alignment holes in the supports and fenders. The same applies to other models.
23  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Galvanizing a Fuel Tank on: February 23, 2014, 06:48:07 AM
Spectra tanks are Ni Terne coated.

I believe the reproduction tanks (such as those made by Spectra) have a gal finish, but not sure of the process used;
24  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Trunk Spring installation on: February 22, 2014, 08:27:09 PM
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=215838&highlight=trunk
25  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: '68 D91 stripe vs 396 Emblems on: February 20, 2014, 08:12:10 PM
Gap between wide and thin stripe is incorrect and too large.

67 not original paint.

26  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: '68 D91 stripe vs 396 Emblems on: February 19, 2014, 08:32:11 PM
as my car is a late 67 build....  
How late? Are you sure it did not have a D90 on it? The emblem should be centered in the stripe. Your D91 would not be located differently from the AIM dimensions for the emblem to be centered. The stripe would be too far back. Even though you told the shop what to do, they should have stopped when they checked the emblem for placement.
27  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Nagging questions about parts and restoration direction on: February 17, 2014, 07:27:12 AM
That's not what I meant. You mentioned a 64 C/10 panel. You can't compare a different make and model repro or factory body part when evaluating Camaro parts. If a Goodmark quarter fits a Chevelle nicely it does not mean Goodmark is good choice for a Camaro resto. On the last job I did, the atrocious Goodmark fenders and doors supplied by the customer were discarded and replaced with AMD and GM. I've used enouigh repro and GM sheetmetal parts to know that some repro tin is garbage and requires extensive labor and mods to make them fit. Same goes for late stamped NOS fenders that have wrinkles, overly round radii, and poor alignment and edge definition. This is not my hobby, it's my profession.


"Stick to comparing Camaro sheetmental parts and dismiss all other makes and models; what applies to those has little to do with these. Your bodyshop should know all this. If they do not start looking for another one."

While I agree you want to go to a body shop that likes consistent panel fitment, I don't see a quality shop taking a customers 69 Camaro and saying "well this is a 69 Camaro we have to really make the car fit together good now", that would be suspect to me. My 69 Camaro hasn't been apart since it left the assembly line, and I can tell you first hand even with all the assembly line parts it is doesn't look as nice as some of the "show" cars I have seen. From the few different makes and models I have, the reproduction Vs. original Vs. NOS is the same across the line for panel fitment. The Camaro isn't exclusive in that category.
28  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Nagging questions about parts and restoration direction on: February 16, 2014, 05:47:10 PM
Kolektor.
 #1. Are these early or late stamped NOS? It makes a difference. Even early stamped is no guarantee. Best bet is usually assembly line take offs even if they need work. You have the NOS fenders so mock those up. If they align very well, need no mods for a factory fit, and the edge and radii crispness are nice, those may be the good choice.  How much labor do you think you'll be giving a shop to make those 4 repro fenders fit if you sell one NOS fender, providing that NOS fender fits well? You say you are particular so be prepared to pay. What gaps do you want? Factory or better?
 
You are paying a shop, so all labor to make an imperfect panel fit is T&M. Even the best fitting GM panel is extra T&M if you want show gaps. Repro panel production varies and what's successful for one job or productiuon run may not be for another. Nobody I know makes a really nice quality, good fitting repro decklid; they run narrow. Find an original otherwise its back to T&M. Show gaps on decklids whether GM or not will require work. A shop is not going to know what labor is required to meet your objectives until they hang a panel on the car.

Stick to comparing Camaro sheetmental parts and dismiss all other makes and models; what applies to those has little to do with these. Your bodyshop should know all this. If they do not start looking for another one.
29  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Tulip Panel Complete on: February 10, 2014, 12:20:20 PM
That's not a tulip panel, it's called a saddlebag or outer cowl side panel. The tulip panel is located between the decklid and rear window, also referred to as the rear deck filler panel or decklid filler panel.
30  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Seam sealer on: February 08, 2014, 06:31:19 PM
Fast & Firm is garbage, gets brittle and cracks. That's what shops used eons ago before urethane sealers entered the profession. If you do not have a gun for 2 part sealer, Lord Fusor 800EZ is a quality product and tools nicely.
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