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1  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Why I am worried about Body Work Guys in General on: March 29, 2015, 07:33:55 PM
That place does not do restorations, they just flip cars. One of their cars was the topic of discussion with photos at Team Camaro. Typical for a classic car dealer. I've seen local cars before and after they landed at a dealer and know what's under the paint.



Vince, the car is listed on eBay (in-case you're interested)...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro/131469409831?_trksid=p2060778.c100276.m3476&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%




3D1%26asc%3D20140725133649%26meid%3De3ddd405f76f410baaa4545fa9cf2047%26pid%3D100276%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D221725446142

 Wink

Paul
2  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Why I am worried about Body Work Guys in General on: March 29, 2015, 07:13:23 PM
I have customers who understand the time and money required to do the job right. I've also had one that was trying to save a buck and had the car finished and painted elsewhere after I did the all metal replacement and modifications for fit and gapping. The car then got shipped back to me and I had to repaint parts of it that were done poorly by the other shop. Unfortunately the entire car should be reshot but he cannot afford it. Save a nickel, waste a dollar.

Documenting a build with photos is standard procedure for some. Owners two or more states away can't pop in and they are provided progress photos of the build. I do the same with in or out of state jobs for reasons previously mentioned by X33RS. And if the owner ever sells their car, the buyer can see the build from bare metal to paint.

I know of a shop that bangs out cars to sell at Barret Jackson. Cave and pave jobs. The owner told a customer there was more filler in one fender than in an entire car. But it's B.J. so it must be a quality.
3  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Fender Skirt Splash Apron Kit on: March 27, 2015, 12:32:11 PM
I have some original fender skirts with staples placed hurriedly and sloppily. Some missing and some with the staples half off the inner fender. AIM may show exactly where they went, but workers were not overly concerned with this detail. No different than original quarters and tail panel I have that are badly aligned and poorly welded., other areas not welded at all.
4  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 CAMARO PARTS WHAT ARE THEY WORTH? on: March 21, 2015, 07:33:41 AM
Unless the top of the car was almost completely disintegrated, that may have been a mistake. A fully assembled bottom chassis can be purchased for $3900. Just put the top half of the donor car on it which is an easy job.

I sent him an email asking what happened to the body hull...  "What happened to the body hull?  It almost looks like you have everything off it laying there?"

His response:  "Body, after I sand blasted it, was all rusted out. Sent it to the scrap yard. Kept most everything else plus I bought a lot of new parts. Jeff"

So that appears (as it looked in the photo).. that he had all other parts to the car....  a great buy for someone nearby..  IMO....

5  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 CAMARO PARTS WHAT ARE THEY WORTH? on: March 20, 2015, 04:34:56 PM
That's a nice bulk purchase for someone building a car or inventory for future jobs. GM fenders even with lower rot are worth 200 each. Any of that GM metal is valuable, not to mention any other parts. I have a job to do and that would be a perfect buy. The seller would have been better off selling the rotten carcass with all the parts; he would have gotten more than 3K.
6  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: New guy, New project ' 67 on: March 05, 2015, 05:49:42 PM
The cost to make and maintain the dies to consistently duplicate assembly line sheet metal would be very high. And then every part would be expected to be nearly perfect .Most shops know what to expect of repro panels.  Not to mention many of these panels are being installed on previously done cars with repro parts so they would not line up anyway. Go buy a late stamped NOS fender and you will have a day labor minimum to fix the results of worn out dies.
7  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: New guy, New project ' 67 on: March 05, 2015, 04:03:17 PM
If you are going through that hassle you may as well graft in the run numbers in the decklid area. You'll need to fit the quarter window U-seal and mod that area accordingly, also the window felt ledge and mounting clip slots. The other possible differences between AMD and a GM quarter are in that AMD thread. Sometimes they weld the bumper reinforcement on backwards too.
8  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: New guy, New project ' 67 on: February 22, 2015, 01:56:04 PM
I just installed another tulip (deck filler) panel which was a CHL part with molding pins included. Perfect fit unlike others I've done. You can glue the tulip to the gutter. It's not only faster and stronger but seals also.
9  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z28 Value on: February 02, 2015, 01:34:20 PM
Fixing that hole is not a big deal, no need to tear the entire firewall apart to do so. Might as well do it when you redo the booster and MC. Line around tag is obviously a mis-tape. Best to overtape and cut tight with an X-acto. I like the 'Cuda more.
10  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Anyone done this? on: January 22, 2015, 08:44:01 PM
How was the car being represented? Not unusual for an an overflow to be adapted to a car. What about that fuel filter? So many things wrong with cars at these puffed up auctions. Many who have no clue about body and paint are buying hacked together butchery. Same as most cars sold on the internet. It's at an auction so the quality must be superb.
11  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1st gen camaro shop recommendations? on: January 18, 2015, 04:34:27 PM
Yes Paul, I'm in CT.
12  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1st gen camaro shop recommendations? on: January 18, 2015, 03:30:30 PM
I do this for a living and can tell you those are base prices for basic panel replacement. All costs increase at an hourly rate to achieve proper gaps and make panel corrections. Like Chick said, a true evaluation cannot be provided until the car is down to bare metal.
13  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1st gen camaro shop recommendations? on: January 17, 2015, 05:50:03 PM
I know someone who had to have work redone by Graverobbers and I saw the work. They did a collision cut on the quarters instead of replacing entire panels. Quarters were installed over a rotten roof skin and rotten driprails. Molding pins were welded on wrong and moldings would never have fit correctly. The Goodmark doors and fenders they supplied were awful and were tossed. Goodmark quarters were removed and a new roof skin, driprails, 2 quarters and tailpanel were replaced with AMD tin.
14  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Found this in a box outside in the rain on: January 10, 2015, 08:58:55 PM
As I stated, prices vary depending on the vendor. This was left out when you quoted me. Keep digging and you willl find more price differences. Or just use your local contacts and grab parts from parts cars in the area.

15  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Found this in a box outside in the rain on: January 10, 2015, 04:43:21 PM
Solenoid wire clip is $25 repro. There's a different style clip for 67 that's $15. Brace is $10 repro. Prices vary with vendors.
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