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1  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Bracket on Driver's Side Trunk Floor on: December 14, 2014, 02:42:03 PM
There is no such exhaust bracket welded to the floor at that location on either 67 I have here, nor was there ever.
2  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: if you could go back and redesign the 67/8 .. or that other one, on: December 12, 2014, 08:53:33 AM
I have seen fairly late model dodge trucks here with the bed side rotted out and you can see a rope looking piece in there that didn't help the problem
 You beat me to that observation, Bill. Same here too on Long Island...many new trucks with wheel opening rot. Looking closely at them I can see no matter how much care the owner does to the truck, that is still rotting from behind the paint and from an inaccessible cavity.
  Mike

Late mode Dodge rear wheelwells have holes that allow water and debris to be trapped and begin rotting the pinchwelds and metal from the inside. Chevy trucks do the same thing by a similar design. Dodge inner rockers have factory taped over holes that provide access for application of rust prevention products and cavity waxes but I've never seen an owner do it. That is why I do so many rocker replacements. Dodge rockers are triple walled and the center wall completely disintegrates. Frame rot is common, shock mounts rotted off are also. All pinchwleds are prone to failure simply by neglect.

Chevy rear wheewells have plastic plugs which provide rust prevention access but again, no one does it. I rebuilt an '05 GMC last year with 62K miles. It needed full rockers , cab corners, and door bottoms. Cab corners are foam fillled which gets soaking wet. No amount of rust prevention can stop it because it's inaccessible. Corner replacement is inevitable. Chevy rockers are also triple walled and the outer wall is very thin. Repro replacement rockers are 16 gauge and superior to GM rockers.

If people took immediate measures upon purchasing a vehicle, many, but not all corrosion problems can be avoided. Salt and calcium chloride destroys daily drivers and work vehicles. It's still cheaper to fix the rot than spend $40K+ on a replacement truck. Some let the rot progress and repair becomes out of their financial reach.
3  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: if you could go back and redesign the 67/8 .. or that other one, on: December 11, 2014, 08:22:54 PM
I have seen fairly late model dodge trucks here with the bed side rotted out and you can see a rope looking piece in there that didn't help the problem

I just did full rockers and bedside repairs on an '04 Ram with 93K miles. That "rope" of which you speak is panel adhesive between the wheelhouse and bedside. That alone idoes not cause rot, many other design factors do. Same is true with any muscle car I've restored. Poor design and lack of proper rust preventative measures taken after purchase. Let's face it, how many people who bought a musclecar intended to keep it forever? They were a dime a dozen, beaten to death and discarded. Junked plenty of them over the years.

There is a blob of foam in the door jamb on first gens that causes rot; no different than the NVH(Noiise, Vibration, Harshness) used on new cars that does the same thing.
4  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: if you could go back and redesign the 67/8 .. or that other one, on: December 11, 2014, 07:43:32 PM
Better rust protection on sheetmetal.

Personally, I've been pretty impressed by the degree of rust protection Chevy applied to the sheet metal parts.   The ONLY areas on my car which had any rust at all was under the battery (inner fender and frame rail) apparently where battery acid leaked onto the metal parts...  that isn't so bad for 45 years  IMO.. Smiley    (Let's wait another 45 years and see how well the 'restored' cars do... Smiley  )

That depends on how and where your car was driven and maintained. What rust protection the factory applied was miinimal at best. Longevity does not ensure profit, obsolescence does. I bought my LOS car in '84. It had minimal rust. A '67 LOS I'm doing now is 99% rust free. Those cars would not be that way if driven in harsh conditions. Anyone who does quality restos is not concerned about repairs failing.
5  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: if you could go back and redesign the 67/8 .. or that other one, on: December 11, 2014, 06:56:30 PM
Better rust protection on sheetmetal.
Nothing has changed. Besides restos, I do a great deal of rot repair on new vehicles. As expected, they are not designed for longevity in certain geographical areas, unless measures are taken right after being driven off the lot.  And even still, some of the body areas are not accessable to deter failure. Many designs and products of new vehicles accelerate corrosion faster than a 60's car. In essence, I am restoring  6-10 year old vehicles by replacing rockers, floors and quarters.
6  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: A Very Rusty Proposition on: December 05, 2014, 12:25:24 PM
A new jig assembled complete undercarriage can be purchased for $4500; just put the top half of a car including jambs and dash top on it. Cowl too if it's savable. If not, replace that too.
7  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Recommed 67 R/S lower mouldings? on: November 29, 2014, 04:26:48 PM
  Can I assume the 90 degree bends on the ends are correct and just the very edges need to be filed to fit?

Thanks for the info,
Mike
You simply have to file the ends so they don't dig into the paint. Same goes for repro rocker spears. Installation is self explanatory and reallly no big deal. The repro clips supplied are not tall enough and extensions must be welded to them. I've had to do this more than once. Again, piece of cake.
8  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Recommed 67 R/S lower mouldings? on: November 29, 2014, 01:25:51 PM
My car had new quarters so I had to drill the holes.
67 RS moldings not the same as 68 and mount differently.
9  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Recommed 67 R/S lower mouldings? on: November 28, 2014, 09:19:07 PM
I should not have to state this but I will nonetheless. You will have to fit the repro moldings and may have to hand file the ends for a proper fit. Fitting parts on a resto is common practice whether it is GM or repro.
10  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Recommed 67 R/S lower mouldings? on: November 28, 2014, 05:53:52 PM
I've used 3 sets of Classic Headquarters and was not disappointed with their repro quality. If you want better buy NOS. Ask the vendor which ones they selll. Not sure if anyone besides CHQ makes them.
11  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: New guy, New project ' 67 on: November 10, 2014, 06:11:17 PM
 The quarter sails are welded to the inner structure so the lead has to go. Your Rotobroach bit is fine, the cheap double ended Balir ones are junk. I primarily use the drill bit style as shown in the link. I don't buy them there, I get them at my jobber. http://www.autobodytoolmart.com/spot-weld-cutters-c-606.aspx?pagenum=2
12  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: New guy, New project ' 67 on: November 10, 2014, 05:34:22 PM
Roof skin removal procedure: Grind the paint off the A pillar and sail panel then melt the lead out. Bulk drop the whole center of the roof skin. Drill the spotwelds front and rear. Grind the drip rail spotwelds using a 3/16" grinding wheel on your cutoff tool and peel out the remnant. If you need new drip rails disregard this step. Some cut off discs stacked will do but you'll need a 3/16" or 1/4" wheel for dressing welds anyway. Note the location of any molding studs. You'll find they are located near arrows in the channel, repro skins don't have arrows.
13  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Tail light gasket recomendations. on: October 25, 2014, 09:50:26 AM
Yep, not knowing at the time that this would be a problem in the future, pieces of my original gaskets are still stuck to my original bezels.

Problems with any repro part should always be anticipated, that's is why all GM parts are reused if possible. Many have been in the same situation as you. Many customers toss GM sheetmetal that needs repair because they think repro tin iis plug and play.
14  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: New guy, New project ' 67 on: October 25, 2014, 09:45:40 AM
because I was told that if you replace the whole Cowl, and move the Trim Tag over to the new one, you need Police/ or State Department official present to witness and document it. 

That only applies to VINs, not TTs. At least in this state because the TT has nothing to do with motor vehicle registration, the VIN does.


But would still loose your partial Vin. #'s.  To me those are important part of the history of the car.

Understood. But there are times when a part is so rotten that complete replacement is required. Document the repair and save the partial if it's not rotten off.
15  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: New guy, New project ' 67 on: October 24, 2014, 05:02:48 PM
because I was told that if you replace the whole Cowl, and move the Trim Tag over to the new one, you need Police/ or State Department official present to witness and document it. 
That only applies to VINs, not TTs. At least in this state because the TT has nothing to do with motor vehicle registration, the VIN does.
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