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1  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Anyone done this? on: January 22, 2015, 08:44:01 PM
How was the car being represented? Not unusual for an an overflow to be adapted to a car. What about that fuel filter? So many things wrong with cars at these puffed up auctions. Many who have no clue about body and paint are buying hacked together butchery. Same as most cars sold on the internet. It's at an auction so the quality must be superb.
2  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1st gen camaro shop recommendations? on: January 18, 2015, 04:34:27 PM
Yes Paul, I'm in CT.
3  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1st gen camaro shop recommendations? on: January 18, 2015, 03:30:30 PM
I do this for a living and can tell you those are base prices for basic panel replacement. All costs increase at an hourly rate to achieve proper gaps and make panel corrections. Like Chick said, a true evaluation cannot be provided until the car is down to bare metal.
4  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1st gen camaro shop recommendations? on: January 17, 2015, 05:50:03 PM
I know someone who had to have work redone by Graverobbers and I saw the work. They did a collision cut on the quarters instead of replacing entire panels. Quarters were installed over a rotten roof skin and rotten driprails. Molding pins were welded on wrong and moldings would never have fit correctly. The Goodmark doors and fenders they supplied were awful and were tossed. Goodmark quarters were removed and a new roof skin, driprails, 2 quarters and tailpanel were replaced with AMD tin.
5  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Found this in a box outside in the rain on: January 10, 2015, 08:58:55 PM
As I stated, prices vary depending on the vendor. This was left out when you quoted me. Keep digging and you willl find more price differences. Or just use your local contacts and grab parts from parts cars in the area.

6  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Found this in a box outside in the rain on: January 10, 2015, 04:43:21 PM
Solenoid wire clip is $25 repro. There's a different style clip for 67 that's $15. Brace is $10 repro. Prices vary with vendors.
7  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Re: Firmer Shock Absorber? on: January 04, 2015, 07:54:07 PM
KYB Gas-A-Justs give a very hard, uncomfortable ride. Not bad if the road travelled is tabletop flawless and no irreguler, bumpy backroads are driven. KYB also makes factory replacements that provide a soft, comfortable ride.
8  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: car that lost its barn! on: December 25, 2014, 02:36:11 PM
Tarps rapidly accelerate corrosion and more so when a car is parked on soft ground.

Sad that cars sit like this when a tarp would have done alot
9  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 67 Camaro Rear Seat - RS on: December 23, 2014, 12:30:48 PM
RS option has nothing to do with seat width. Standard and deluxe interior rear seat widths are different on a '67. Deluxe, fold down and convertible are narrower.
10  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 67 rag exhaust replacement on: December 22, 2014, 08:08:49 PM
Did Gardner resolve their problems brought up in an older thread? I've have not heard of any installation complaints about D&R's system yet.
11  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Bracket on Driver's Side Trunk Floor on: December 14, 2014, 02:42:03 PM
There is no such exhaust bracket welded to the floor at that location on either 67 I have here, nor was there ever.
12  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: if you could go back and redesign the 67/8 .. or that other one, on: December 12, 2014, 08:53:33 AM
I have seen fairly late model dodge trucks here with the bed side rotted out and you can see a rope looking piece in there that didn't help the problem
 You beat me to that observation, Bill. Same here too on Long Island...many new trucks with wheel opening rot. Looking closely at them I can see no matter how much care the owner does to the truck, that is still rotting from behind the paint and from an inaccessible cavity.
  Mike

Late mode Dodge rear wheelwells have holes that allow water and debris to be trapped and begin rotting the pinchwelds and metal from the inside. Chevy trucks do the same thing by a similar design. Dodge inner rockers have factory taped over holes that provide access for application of rust prevention products and cavity waxes but I've never seen an owner do it. That is why I do so many rocker replacements. Dodge rockers are triple walled and the center wall completely disintegrates. Frame rot is common, shock mounts rotted off are also. All pinchwleds are prone to failure simply by neglect.

Chevy rear wheewells have plastic plugs which provide rust prevention access but again, no one does it. I rebuilt an '05 GMC last year with 62K miles. It needed full rockers , cab corners, and door bottoms. Cab corners are foam fillled which gets soaking wet. No amount of rust prevention can stop it because it's inaccessible. Corner replacement is inevitable. Chevy rockers are also triple walled and the outer wall is very thin. Repro replacement rockers are 16 gauge and superior to GM rockers.

If people took immediate measures upon purchasing a vehicle, many, but not all corrosion problems can be avoided. Salt and calcium chloride destroys daily drivers and work vehicles. It's still cheaper to fix the rot than spend $40K+ on a replacement truck. Some let the rot progress and repair becomes out of their financial reach.
13  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: if you could go back and redesign the 67/8 .. or that other one, on: December 11, 2014, 08:22:54 PM
I have seen fairly late model dodge trucks here with the bed side rotted out and you can see a rope looking piece in there that didn't help the problem

I just did full rockers and bedside repairs on an '04 Ram with 93K miles. That "rope" of which you speak is panel adhesive between the wheelhouse and bedside. That alone idoes not cause rot, many other design factors do. Same is true with any muscle car I've restored. Poor design and lack of proper rust preventative measures taken after purchase. Let's face it, how many people who bought a musclecar intended to keep it forever? They were a dime a dozen, beaten to death and discarded. Junked plenty of them over the years.

There is a blob of foam in the door jamb on first gens that causes rot; no different than the NVH(Noiise, Vibration, Harshness) used on new cars that does the same thing.
14  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: if you could go back and redesign the 67/8 .. or that other one, on: December 11, 2014, 07:43:32 PM
Better rust protection on sheetmetal.

Personally, I've been pretty impressed by the degree of rust protection Chevy applied to the sheet metal parts.   The ONLY areas on my car which had any rust at all was under the battery (inner fender and frame rail) apparently where battery acid leaked onto the metal parts...  that isn't so bad for 45 years  IMO.. Smiley    (Let's wait another 45 years and see how well the 'restored' cars do... Smiley  )

That depends on how and where your car was driven and maintained. What rust protection the factory applied was miinimal at best. Longevity does not ensure profit, obsolescence does. I bought my LOS car in '84. It had minimal rust. A '67 LOS I'm doing now is 99% rust free. Those cars would not be that way if driven in harsh conditions. Anyone who does quality restos is not concerned about repairs failing.
15  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: if you could go back and redesign the 67/8 .. or that other one, on: December 11, 2014, 06:56:30 PM
Better rust protection on sheetmetal.
Nothing has changed. Besides restos, I do a great deal of rot repair on new vehicles. As expected, they are not designed for longevity in certain geographical areas, unless measures are taken right after being driven off the lot.  And even still, some of the body areas are not accessable to deter failure. Many designs and products of new vehicles accelerate corrosion faster than a 60's car. In essence, I am restoring  6-10 year old vehicles by replacing rockers, floors and quarters.
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