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1  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: New guy, New project ' 67 on: October 01, 2014, 04:32:31 PM
It's not a nightmare. You would have more time in buttwelding and skimming that skin seam than throwing on a full qrt. Out of box AMD qrts are not that bad. Chances are the deklid radii and lid to qrt sides will be off. If you want gaps better than factory then mods are required. Rebuild your door hinges and align them to the old quarters. If you don't want to do the hinges, send them to Willie. 8 and 9 hinges are a no-brainer but I send my 67 hiunges to Willie because he does and excellent job for the money, bettter than any rebuild kit you can buy.

http://www.hoodhingerepair.com/
I still really really dont want to have to deal with the nightmare of setting up all the gaps, wish I could find a sail panel.

2  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: New guy, New project ' 67 on: October 01, 2014, 10:40:50 AM
Call them, maybe they'll cover it or meet you half way. From what vendor were they purchased? Better to lose a hundred bucks and do the job the right, easier and faster way.
3  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: New guy, New project ' 67 on: October 01, 2014, 10:32:16 AM
I've seen the photos at T. Camaro of your driprails. Since you need a roof skin too I'd suggest asking the shipper for a return label and have them send full AMD quarters. Use panel adhesive for the entire roof skin perimeter except the A-pillars and sails, they are to be welded solid.
4  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: Hurst Shifter Adjusting Blocks/Rods on: October 01, 2014, 10:24:15 AM
I grab my torch right away for anything that is stubborn enough to require long term penetrant soaking. Why wait days when a job can be done in minutes?
5  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: New guy, New project ' 67 on: September 30, 2014, 07:44:22 PM
Ive order quarter skins,

In my opinion and as someone with a couple decades of experience, full quarters are easier and a superior repair compared to skins. I'd suggest AMD qrts unless you prefer early stamped NOS tin. Here is a thread on AMD quarters with comparisons to GM and other repro tin. http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=212160&highlight=67+amd+quarter+panels
6  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Hours of body part install on: September 24, 2014, 09:58:50 PM

When I looked at the car there where only two questionable things.   
I've seen the photos of the car and there were many indications the car was a POS. It is best to have someone with auto body knowledge inspect a car prior to purchase.
7  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Got Rust? on: September 23, 2014, 06:26:53 AM
A new complete convertible bottom chassis assembly can be purchased for $4200. Just put the top of this car on it. A coupe bottom is $3900.
8  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Hours of body part install on: September 17, 2014, 10:50:49 AM
   A dynacorn body is not plug and play. They require mods for parts fit and panel alignment. So you'll have to add an hourly rate to the body purchase price. You are better off buying a project car that someone has started or a better shell. Entire structure assemblies can also be purchsed and all you have to do is drop on the top half.  

   Crash book prices apply to 1967 and are for GM panels on a new car back then. Repro installation base prices can increase depending on mods required.
A shop should provide a price range. Any shop that gives a set price is bound to become a problem when diving into a pile of rot. From what I recall from the photos of your car, it's pretty much toast. I tell customers to look at AMD's price guide to see what an average price can be. And these are not set in stone. http://amdinstallation.com/prices.html

   The level of quality you want greatly influences cost.

   I would strongly suggest getting references, looking at work performed by the shop and talking to their customers. I had a car shipped to me for a roof skin and tailpanel installation. New quarters were just installed by another shop but over rotten driprails and roof skin. So I had to cut the quarters off off and scrap them. The shop sold him Gmark doors and fenders that were junk. Those I replaced with GM parts.
After replacing all exterior panels on the car the customer could not afford to have me take the job to final paint. So the car was shipped 9 hours back to its home. After he had it painted the car was shipped back to me and I had to redo some of their work. More needs to be corrected but finances won't allow it. Save a penny, waste a dollar.

  Do your research.
9  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: She's Painted! on: September 14, 2014, 06:48:17 PM
Yes, I usually shoot 2-3 coats, (White stripes 3, 2 for black) typically leave the tape in place or re-mask the edges and cut any imperfections/rough polish with the tape there so I won't accidentally take the edge down too far. With 3 coats after un-taping the taped edges feel "tall" which I slightly cut with 2000.
As an aside... I often tape edges and creased crowns/breaklines when polishing vehicles. 
 

Depends on paint company, coverage, knowledge of product and spraying technique. 1.5 - 2 coats of Concept black or white for stripes and I'm done. If you over reduce it a tad and keep the mil thickness down it leaves a minimal edge. I pull my tape as soon as the paint is out of dust. All you want is coverage, not thickness. Once the stripes are tickled and buffed the edge is still there but not like that of a non buffed buried stripe.
10  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: She's Painted! on: September 08, 2014, 09:42:28 PM
Stripes buried under the clear?
11  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: She's Painted! on: September 08, 2014, 06:24:37 PM
It does look nice. No offense but I think you should have them redo the firewall blackout. It appears they use 3M Soft Sdge Foam Masking Tape. It would not have looked like that from the factory. I'd make sure the dash top has a suede finish also. If you are going all out on a correct resto it makes sense to pay attention to factory correct details. If you are not, then the details don't matter.
12  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: She's Painted! on: September 03, 2014, 06:12:26 AM
Looks nice. Is that a hard tape line on the firewall blackout? If so it should be softened. Many photos here for reference.
13  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: custom striped Z I saw this weekend on: August 27, 2014, 08:17:13 PM
That car need era correct wheels like Cragars sized accordingly front and rear, with proper tires to go with the endless line, and ladder bars. Then it will be a suitable candidate for http://70sstreetmachines.tumblr.com/linkage
14  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: New body? on: July 29, 2014, 09:36:54 PM
I'd call a Dynacorn rep to verify the near perfect gaps claimed is true and can be guaranteed in writing, and all components will fit like GM. I have had customers pay for flawless gaps and it is not cheap. I have yet to see GM or repro panels fit with flawless show gaps. In the link is a car done by Jayson. If the quality of a repro part or body has vastly improved I'd like to know about it. Otherwise I would not still be buying assembly line take off parts. I 've had repro panels vary in quality tremendously. And late stamped GM are often no prize. Buy a D.Corn body and still have to pay a tech to fix all the flaws is not going to cost less than a rebuild; not unless one is satisfied with hackwork. Not to mention all parts and components should fit just like factory also; which is a common complaint in repro tin.  Note the amount of hours involved in the link. Jayson's work can be seen at Refinish Network on other restos.

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=167739

Quality is in the eye of the beholder. I've seen cars that are butchered and the owner thinks they're flawless. When repro bodies can be guaranteed to be just like GM or better, I'll stop rebuilding a GM body. It sure would be a lot easier and cheaper. No brainer to just scuff, paint and reassemble. Or just raise the repro shell price to $20K with no flaws and make it easier.
 

I priced out an entire dynacorn body for a 69 a few years ago, and it was around $13k for an entire new body, including delivery to my door.  It included every new panel of sheetmetal, and was guaranteed by the seller to have the doors and trunk lid prefit with supposedly near perfect gaps before being sent out.  Not sure how much this has gone up, but I know that the seller I spoke with was willing to deal a little, and the advertised price was not set in stone.  Bear in mind, this was a few years ago, and they were trying to get this things out there for all of us to see.

Just a thought.


15  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: any of you ever sued over a car you bought on: July 25, 2014, 12:32:57 AM
Perhaps the dealer that sold it to him, bought it without knowing the extent of the damage as well. Could it be possible it has changed hands a couple times since being "fixed" up?
Is there a statute of limitations when fraud is committed?

That makes three dealers who can't evaluate a car. How is it some can properly inspect a car's body and others cannot? Maybe that's why some of those who cannot call those who can.
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