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Originality / Re: paint codes

« on: August 03, 2009, 12:42:43 PM »

What year?

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Restoration / Re: black on tailpan on ss cars

« on: July 28, 2009, 08:03:05 PM »

   For the record I do not possess 45 years of Camaro history nor have the  most knowledgeable restoration data on exactness.  And I respect all those who do. I'm just trying to sort all this out.

   So one claim is the stripes and tailpanel were painted with unflattened lacquer (black stripes here). Which would mean they have identical sheens. Why has no one ever doubted that the stripes were or were not glossy? The stripes and rear panel would maintain the same integrity or degradation throughout the years on any given car. So how is it that the stripes reamain glossy and the tailpanel supposedly does not? Where is a person that pulled the trigger on these cars? I know what comes out of my nozzle.

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Restoration / Re: black on tailpan on ss cars

« on: July 28, 2009, 01:49:12 AM »

My post states I don't claim to know what the factory did. Only what I see. As far as I can tell from those who have greater knowledge than I is they were painted full gloss and they were painted semi-gloss. I have not owned hundreds but a longtime friend  has and sent as many through a crusher has his opinion too. But it really does not matter because after all this I still do not know what's correct.

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Restoration / Re: Firewall Blackout Paint

« on: July 27, 2009, 10:58:24 PM »

Statement was amusing; like jumbo shrimp, civil war, civilized divorce, etc. I never used Blackit--cannot provide info.

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Restoration / Re: black on tailpan on ss cars

« on: July 27, 2009, 10:04:16 PM »

The green L78 I posted pics of is one of the most orig untouched Camaro's I have ever seen. It has a gloss tail panel. There is no way it is the same paint used to paint the firewall. I didn't pay any attention to the rockers to see if they were the same paint. Once again I would like to see a orig paint low mile survivor with Semi or satin or flat on the tailpanel.

That does not look like full gloss to me. Looks like maintained  lacquer with flattening agent. Go buy a pint of straight lacquer and shoot a test panel. And shoot a urethane test panel too. Unbuffed, unflattened black lacquer will be glossier than that L-78 tailpanel. Maintenance will bring the gloss up on semi or satin.

Even if it was an unbuffed/non reflowed black lacquer panel it would be as glossy as the adjacent green from upkeep; which it is not. That yellow Yenko is no doubt glossy. Looks like unbuffed lacquer but I could add f. agent to urethane till I achieved that look also.  I've buffed flattened lacquer as a test and it came out glossy. And if these panels were indeed semi-gloss and not satin there is no doubt that 40 years of upkeep will raise the glossiness yet. I've sprayed all this stuff so I know. But I don't claim to know exactly what the factory did. If you want to experiment buy some black and f. agent. Or buy some PPG 9248 ,9317, 9266, and straight black and have a go at it. I'm going with semi-gloss or satin. Without a f.agent pecentage weight there is no accuracy on the call.

And you can't use decals as a paint comparison. ( In regard to the other post)

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Restoration / Re: black on tailpan on ss cars

« on: July 27, 2009, 05:32:01 PM »

What green L-78? I don't see it in the last 4 pages. Only the yellow Yenko.

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Restoration / Re: black on tailpan on ss cars

« on: July 27, 2009, 04:33:30 PM »

Affimative. If you want to look at it without %'s. It's flat, eggshell, satin, semi, and gloss.

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Restoration / Re: Firewall Blackout Paint

« on: July 27, 2009, 03:35:13 PM »

Thanks John. Always an education. That being said it should be noted that today's urethane shot at full gloss exceeds the gloss level of 40 years ago and would look overrestored. If a test was shot with straight up lacquer vs. urethane th diff. would be apparent.

I should have clarified what "factory" .

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Restoration / Re: Firewall Blackout Paint

« on: July 27, 2009, 10:56:10 AM »

"experienced opinions"?? I gun spray primarily but SEM Trim Black 39143 in aerosol and gun sprayable is one. I also shoot PPG 9266 and 9248, the latter being flatter. Most paints can now be put in aerosol at the supplier. Your origional flat firewall must be the result of deterioration. Eggshell is a step above flat and below satin. Note the H. box cover is full gloss as the factory did it but if shot with urethane full gloss it will be incorrect for obvious reasons. The link listed has finish guidelines but some of the tech. descriptions are incorrect, just Dichromate. I would assume the factory did not maintain exact formula consistency when mixing thousands of gallons of black with flattening agent and the differences would be negligable anyway. Maybe John has more data on that.  http://www.67z28.com/finishes.htm

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Originality / Re: rs rocker black out

« on: July 26, 2009, 02:29:14 PM »

I do not believe that RS rockers were Blacked out, They had Chrome trim instead. The SS's had blackout.

Maybe someone else will confirm

Buddy

Here you go: http://www.camaros.org/exterior.shtml#BlackoutPaint

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Originality / Re: rs rocker black out

« on: July 26, 2009, 02:07:11 PM »

Dave posted good pics in this thread, page 3. Masking precision and consistency was not practiced on these cars. http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=2458.30

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General Discussion / Re: headers or manifolds on my 69 Z28?????

« on: July 21, 2009, 08:40:39 PM »

I have not had to touch a bolt on my stock manifolds in 18K miles now and no leaks. Sure I could probably add HP with headers but I prefer to start and drive. Time is a precious thing for me now.

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Restoration / Re: 60% Gloss Black Paint

« on: July 15, 2009, 01:32:17 AM »

That's a lot of sq. ft. for an aerosol but SEM is a quality aerosol if cost is not an issue.

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Maintenance / Re: Brakes dont quite feel right

« on: July 06, 2009, 01:21:41 AM »

My apologies. I confused you with Reeko's dilemma. But my question is still valid.

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Maintenance / Re: Brakes dont quite feel right

« on: July 05, 2009, 11:18:28 PM »

P. booster working? I presume you now have the proper freeplay as discussed in the other post? Might be best to keep your questions running in the origional post. This provides complete info on other aspects and progression of this ongoing diagnosis and is clear for others to see. --S.