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466  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Verification of parts used in 67 AIM ( C60 E1) on: October 31, 2008, 10:03:33 PM

Did #4 3883844 Gasket make it into production?
Did #2 3843404 Seal make it into production or was it incorporated into the wiring harness plug?
Please use 67 AIM C60 E1 for reference.
467  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Carb return spring for 67 L78 on: October 13, 2008, 11:50:04 PM
Does anyone know the color of the 67 L78 carb return spring?
One end goes the carb arm  but where does the other end go ( to the coil bracket or the valve cover). A picture would be great!!!!!
Does anyone have a picture of the 67 BB accelerator lever at the firewall and what was the finish?

468  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: space saver tire on: October 13, 2008, 11:13:22 PM
You are correct, the AIM shows the space saver tire installation but it never went into production on the 67. The same thing happened to the front spoiler (extension)  shown on D80 A1 page 237 of the 67 AIM and the rear extension on Z28 B2 page 438.
469  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: GM BBC Oil pan did it ever come with..... on: September 21, 2008, 09:45:59 PM
The pan on the top is the six qt,bottom pan is standard and also shot of 6qt pan by itself.

470  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: GM BBC Oil pan did it ever come with..... on: September 16, 2008, 01:26:15 PM
Good morning  Big Iron aka  Bob C... Could I send a few pics of this pan to your E-mail addy as my land line is toooo slow, but, I can send under G-Mail with no problem.  I just might have this semi-circular tray you are talkin' about...  Thanks!  Ted
Sure Ted,
I will try to find some pictures of the deep pan in my files and post them there for those that are interested. The pictures will be scanned so they will not be as good as digital.
Bob C
471  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: GM BBC Oil pan did it ever come with..... on: September 15, 2008, 12:58:54 PM
John Z. is absolutely correct that GM (Chevrolet) never made a (production) cut and wielded pan. However Chev. did make a cut and wielded deep sump pan you could buy over the the counter, used with the following parts:

#3879633... 6qt...deep wielded sump...plug on driver side.

#3879640...semi circular windage tray (Corvette discontinued late 70)    I think #3967854 is the later flat version.

#3964255...HD ZL1 pump w/pickup and screen...for deep pan.

This was a drag race pan and not intended for the street. It was used buy the factory teams ( Oh! forgot, Chev. wasn't in racing) and anyone that need a good deep pan for a reasonable price.

Bob C
472  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Dipstick Length 68 396/325 Manual on: September 15, 2008, 11:29:26 AM
Can someone tell me the length of the correct dipstick for my 1968 396/325 4-sp Camaro?  And what color should the tip be?  Thanks!
Do an advance search on BB dipsticks .
I think John Z gives the most accurate description of 69 BB ( yellow tip) and I think that the 68 has the same stick [Verified by both the P&A (parts and &accesory and AIM (assembly manual)].
Bob C
473  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: correct dipstick and tube BB L78 on: September 12, 2008, 11:53:18 PM
John Z,
Looking at my AIM 67 Corvette & 67 Camaro books they do indeed show that the production number 3925520 (stick) & 3870324 (tube) was used on both models.
The 67 Camaro AIM shows 3925520 (stick) w/purple tip & 3870324(tube)..........(these are also the correct service numbers).
The 67 Corvette AIM shows 3925520 (stick) w/?Huh (salmon) tip & 3870324 (tube)...... (are these also the correct service numbers)HuhHuh?
It is strange that to different model production facilities would have the same production numbers with two different color tips.
Do you have a Corvette P&A that you could see if the stick service number is the same as production number?
I thought I had the 67 BB stick and tube figured out but if the Corvette and the Camaro have the same stick with two different colors I will have to re-think my conclusion.
Bob C
474  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: correct dipstick and tube BB L78 on: September 12, 2008, 02:05:28 AM
Looks like the original 67 Chevelle pan 3907137 verified buy the 68 P&A (68 Camaro, Chevelle 396..3929257 part# sub.) and again verified buy the 69 P&A (65-69 Chevy, Chevelle, Camaro 396..3958657 part# sub.) shows that the same pan was used on all 67,68,69 Camaro BB's, except for the 69 HD 6qt pan 3879633.
I think we can now assume that dipstick 3925520 w/purple tip is correct for the 67 L35 & L78. The 67 dipstick should look like the 68,69 except shorter & w/purple tip.
The tube 3899640 is correct for the 67 L35 & L78. I know the 67& 69 P&A's say (exc. H/Per) but there are no part numbers to support any other 67 dipstick & tube combination. That would change in 68,69 with the addition of AC for BB's.
Because the 68,69 dipstick 3925599 w/yel tip  did not have the part # on it, as John Z has indicated, I believe the  67 3925520 did not have one ether. GM would probably use the same dies on the 67 and the 68,69 stick but make the 68,69 longer and change to the yel. tip.
Any questions?
Bob C[/b]
475  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 67 BB L78 oil dipstick on: September 11, 2008, 01:57:43 PM
Could I get everyone over the Originality Forum , we are discussing the same topic over there!

Bob C
476  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: correct dipstick and tube BB L78 on: September 11, 2008, 01:45:09 PM
So,let's take this one step at a time.
 We have verification in both the 67,69 P&A of the following: Gauge 3925520 was used in the 66-67 Chevelle, Camaro 396 with A&B measurement's of 17 13/32 & 18 1/2 (not verified).
 We have verification in the 67,68,69 AIM (Production #) of the following: Gauge 3925520 was used in the 67 Camaro L35 with a Purple insert.                                 

John Z, can the same production #"s that are used in AIM be used in the P&A  (in this case 3925520)? Do you have a 67L Corvette 3925520 dipstick that you could measure from the full & add marks to the rubber insert (where the tube rests against)?

Now we have to establish what oil pan was used on the 67,68 69"s before we move on to the tube. This should verify if the 3925520 w/purple insert was correct for the 67 L78.

Steve, What does your 67,68 P&A"s show? My 69 P&A (group 1.426) shows 65-69 Chevy, Chevelle,Camaro 396.... 3958657. I think is correct because the sub-frames were basically the same except for the 67E front rails.
If the pans are the same, then the 67 tubes 3899640 for the L35 & L78 should be the same. It should also establish that the  gauge 3925599 w/ yel. insert and tube 3928901 are correct for the 68.69"s BB"s.

Bob C

477  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 67 BB L78 oil dipstick on: September 09, 2008, 09:32:43 PM
Received information from Steve 68 (he has a 68 P&A) that verifies that the original 68,69 dipstick #3925599 with A measurement 19 17/32 and B measurement 20 11/32 is correct. The stick does not have a part # on it only full mark and add mark with "Engine Oil M " It has a yellow plastic insert and this is verified in the 68 AIM L35 A4 page 279.
 John Z made most of this information available in another thread.
I hope to have more information on the 67 BB dipstick soon.
Bob C
478  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: correct 67 dipstick and tube BB L78 on: September 09, 2008, 08:56:13 PM
Could you verify the following:
67 P&A 1.516 gauge
65-66 Pass 396,427
66-67 Chevelle, Camaro 396 3925520     A measurement 17 13/32  B measurement 18 1/2
67 P&A 1.516 tube
What does your 67 P&A specify for a 67 Camaro 396 ? The following is what my 69 P&A shows:
65-66 Pass, Chevelle 396,427 3870324
    67 Pass, Chevelle 396/427 exc. H/Per. 3899640
3925520 was substituted with 3959158, is that Oct, 2001?
All your 68 #'s are the same in my 69 P&A.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
Bob C

479  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 67 BB L78 oil dipstick on: September 09, 2008, 01:13:47 PM
I posted it over on pacer car sight one person told me they had a black tip 396/325 horse car ill keep you up to date also the part no# i have on the oil pan were from a 74 part book that should the 67 pan by itself
The closer we can get our reference material ( GM P&A. AIM rev. dates) to the build date, the information I believe will be more accurate.
If you find a 67,68 P&A for sale ( and you do not want it) I will buy it.
Bob C
480  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 67 BB L78 oil dipstick on: September 08, 2008, 11:34:02 AM
The  rev. 10-1 69 GM 69 P&A (Parts Book) that I am using only shows one oil pan 3958657 (group # 1.426) for 65-69 Chevelle and Camaro. I was hoping that someone would have  a 67-68 P&A that could verify these numbers.
I think the pans are the same because the sub frames (67,68,69 Camaro) are alike except for frame to engine mounts and some minor stampings ( front rad. support rails etc.).
The 67 dipstick and tube are at least 2" shorter than the 68,69. I think the  reason for the redesign in 68.69 was the C60  AC option for BB's
Let me know if you find anything to the contrary.
Bob C
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