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Originality / Re: Dipstick Length 68 396/325 Manual

« on: September 15, 2008, 04:29:26 PM »

Can someone tell me the length of the correct dipstick for my 1968 396/325 4-sp Camaro?  And what color should the tip be?  Thanks!

Jacquie,
Do an advance search on BB dipsticks .
I think John Z gives the most accurate description of 69 BB ( yellow tip) and I think that the 68 has the same stick [Verified by both the P&A (parts and &accesory and AIM (assembly manual)].
Bob C

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Originality / Re: correct dipstick and tube BB L78

« on: September 13, 2008, 04:53:18 AM »

John Z,
Looking at my AIM 67 Corvette & 67 Camaro books they do indeed show that the production number 3925520 (stick) & 3870324 (tube) was used on both models.
The 67 Camaro AIM shows 3925520 (stick) w/purple tip & 3870324(tube)..........(these are also the correct service numbers).
The 67 Corvette AIM shows 3925520 (stick) w/? (salmon) tip & 3870324 (tube)...... (are these also the correct service numbers)?
It is strange that to different model production facilities would have the same production numbers with two different color tips.
Do you have a Corvette P&A that you could see if the stick service number is the same as production number?
I thought I had the 67 BB stick and tube figured out but if the Corvette and the Camaro have the same stick with two different colors I will have to re-think my conclusion.
Thanks,
Bob C

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Originality / Re: correct dipstick and tube BB L78

« on: September 12, 2008, 07:05:28 AM »

Steve,
Looks like the original 67 Chevelle pan 3907137 verified buy the 68 P&A (68 Camaro, Chevelle 396..3929257 part# sub.) and again verified buy the 69 P&A (65-69 Chevy, Chevelle, Camaro 396..3958657 part# sub.) shows that the same pan was used on all 67,68,69 Camaro BB's, except for the 69 HD 6qt pan 3879633.
I think we can now assume that dipstick 3925520 w/purple tip is correct for the 67 L35 & L78. The 67 dipstick should look like the 68,69 except shorter & w/purple tip.
The tube 3899640 is correct for the 67 L35 & L78. I know the 67& 69 P&A's say (exc. H/Per) but there are no part numbers to support any other 67 dipstick & tube combination. That would change in 68,69 with the addition of AC for BB's.
Because the 68,69 dipstick 3925599 w/yel tip  did not have the part # on it, as John Z has indicated, I believe the  67 3925520 did not have one ether. GM would probably use the same dies on the 67 and the 68,69 stick but make the 68,69 longer and change to the yel. tip.
Any questions?
Bob C[/b]

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Restoration / Re: 67 BB L78 oil dipstick

« on: September 11, 2008, 06:57:43 PM »

Could I get everyone over the Originality Forum , we are discussing the same topic over there!

Bob C

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Originality / Re: correct dipstick and tube BB L78

« on: September 11, 2008, 06:45:09 PM »

Steve,
So,let's take this one step at a time.
 We have verification in both the 67,69 P&A of the following: Gauge 3925520 was used in the 66-67 Chevelle, Camaro 396 with A&B measurement's of 17 13/32 & 18 1/2 (not verified).
 We have verification in the 67,68,69 AIM (Production #) of the following: Gauge 3925520 was used in the 67 Camaro L35 with a Purple insert.                                 

John Z, can the same production #"s that are used in AIM be used in the P&A  (in this case 3925520)? Do you have a 67L Corvette 3925520 dipstick that you could measure from the full & add marks to the rubber insert (where the tube rests against)?

Now we have to establish what oil pan was used on the 67,68 69"s before we move on to the tube. This should verify if the 3925520 w/purple insert was correct for the 67 L78.

Steve, What does your 67,68 P&A"s show? My 69 P&A (group 1.426) shows 65-69 Chevy, Chevelle,Camaro 396.... 3958657. I think is correct because the sub-frames were basically the same except for the 67E front rails.
If the pans are the same, then the 67 tubes 3899640 for the L35 & L78 should be the same. It should also establish that the  gauge 3925599 w/ yel. insert and tube 3928901 are correct for the 68.69"s BB"s.

Bob C


 

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Restoration / Re: 67 BB L78 oil dipstick

« on: September 10, 2008, 02:32:43 AM »

Update:
Received information from Steve 68 (he has a 68 P&A) that verifies that the original 68,69 dipstick #3925599 with A measurement 19 17/32 and B measurement 20 11/32 is correct. The stick does not have a part # on it only full mark and add mark with "Engine Oil M " It has a yellow plastic insert and this is verified in the 68 AIM L35 A4 page 279.
 John Z made most of this information available in another thread.
I hope to have more information on the 67 BB dipstick soon.
Bob C

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Originality / Re: correct 67 dipstick and tube BB L78

« on: September 10, 2008, 01:56:13 AM »

Steve,
Could you verify the following:
67 P&A 1.516 gauge
65-66 Pass 396,427
66-67 Chevelle, Camaro 396 3925520     A measurement 17 13/32  B measurement 18 1/2
67 P&A 1.516 tube
What does your 67 P&A specify for a 67 Camaro 396 ? The following is what my 69 P&A shows:
65-66 Pass, Chevelle 396,427 3870324
    67 Pass, Chevelle 396/427 exc. H/Per. 3899640
3925520 was substituted with 3959158, is that Oct, 2001?
All your 68 #'s are the same in my 69 P&A.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
Bob C

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Restoration / Re: 67 BB L78 oil dipstick

« on: September 09, 2008, 06:13:47 PM »

I posted it over on pacer car sight one person told me they had a black tip 396/325 horse car ill keep you up to date also the part no# i have on the oil pan were from a 74 part book that should the 67 pan by itself

Phil,
The closer we can get our reference material ( GM P&A. AIM rev. dates) to the build date, the information I believe will be more accurate.
If you find a 67,68 P&A for sale ( and you do not want it) I will buy it.
Bob C

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Restoration / Re: 67 BB L78 oil dipstick

« on: September 08, 2008, 04:34:02 PM »

Phil,
The  rev. 10-1 69 GM 69 P&A (Parts Book) that I am using only shows one oil pan 3958657 (group # 1.426) for 65-69 Chevelle and Camaro. I was hoping that someone would have  a 67-68 P&A that could verify these numbers.
I think the pans are the same because the sub frames (67,68,69 Camaro) are alike except for frame to engine mounts and some minor stampings ( front rad. support rails etc.).
The 67 dipstick and tube are at least 2" shorter than the 68,69. I think the  reason for the redesign in 68.69 was the C60  AC option for BB's
Let me know if you find anything to the contrary.
Bob C

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Restoration / Re: 67 BB L78 oil dipstick

« on: September 07, 2008, 12:21:41 AM »

should have a salmon tip on the end, also check to see if its the same as a 66 67 chevelle bb cars I believe they are. Phil

Phil,
The salmon tips were used on 65-67E Corvettes and the changed to wht. in late 67L. Pan 3958657 was used on 67,68,69 Chevelle & Camaros.
Look at post in Originality to see what I found on the subject.
Waiting to see if anyone can verify the information as correct or not. Just because it's written in a book does not mean it's correct!
Bob C

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Originality / Re: 68 L78 Distributor Cap

« on: September 06, 2008, 11:13:15 PM »

69 Camaro ZL1's
Bob C

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Restoration / Re: 67 BB L78 oil dipstick

« on: September 06, 2008, 02:31:33 PM »

Note.
Changed this post to Originality with new information.
Bob C

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Originality / Re: correct dipstick and tube BB L78

« on: September 05, 2008, 11:21:26 PM »

Update,
Did a little more research between the 69 GM Parts Book and all 3 (67,68,69) assembly manuals (AIM or is that AM) and here is the following results.
67      AIM page 287 L35 A4   Dipstick 3925520 Purple insert.
                                     Tube    3899640
68,69 AIM page 279 L35 A4   Dipstick 3925599 Yel. insert.
                                      Tube   3928901
All numbers confirmed in 69 GM Parts Book (PB).
The 69 PB shows only one pan being used (camaro 3958657) so I conclude that the 67 dipstick is somewhat shorter than the 68, 69. I also have to conclude that the L78 uses the same dipstick & tube as the 67 L35.
Can anyone verify these results with an original 67 .
Are these dipsticks and tubes correct for judging?

Bob C

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Originality / correct dipstick and tube BB L78

« on: September 05, 2008, 03:54:34 PM »

While doing a search, found a reply from John Z. that indicated that there was no part # on the stick only Full & Add marks, "Engine Oil M ". The finish was ( Noblecoating)  and the handle has a yel. plastic insert.Would this description hold  true for the 67 BB L78 ?
The reason I ask, is that the 69 GM parts book shows a different length between the Full & Add marks between the 67 & 68, 69 and a shorter distance between these marks and the rubber insert on the handle.
Does this difference mean there is also a difference in the tube design Or length ?
I notice that there are reproductions (excuse the word) of the 68,69 tubes but haven't seen one for the 67. Is this an indication that there is a difference in the 67 tube?
The 69 parts book has  a specific part # for the 67 dipstick (3902399) and tube (3899640). Does anyone have a 67,68 parts book that could verify?
Just confused.
Bob C

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Restoration / 67 BB L78 oil dipstick

« on: September 03, 2008, 04:54:45 AM »

To all,
Trying to find correct dipstick and tube for 67 BB. Tryed search but only found responce from John Z that it did not have a part #  but had full & add marks also had " Engine Oil M"on the stick. Did that apply to the 67 as 68,69 had different dipsticks ? What was the shape of the handle, was it a round tube and did it have a color coded plastic tip? Anyone have a picture of a original ?
Jerry M. I know you are a small block man but do you have any idea what is correct for a 67 BB L78.