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1  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: RE: My Computer on: January 31, 2010, 08:41:47 PM
I'm sure your friend John M. will have your stuff figured out soon and you'll be back to business as usual.

And the good news in this thread is that you still intend to make the CA race. Grin  Good luck out there.
2  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: If you bought a car based on certification......... on: January 23, 2010, 11:46:53 AM a well known guy who certifies a certain type of Camaro.......and it turns out that the car is not all it seems........what would you do  Huh

You can see from my limited number of posts that I'm not a "frequent flyer" here.  I check in from time to time.  After reading this thread though, I feel compelled to offer some thoughts.  And please understand that my comments are offered as my opinion(s), offered as a gentleman, not intended as disdain towards others, etc.

This post started as a question, asking "..... what would you do" and has morphed into several topics ranging from re-bodying of cars, inspection practices, etc.  Frankly, I can't believe the moderator(s) have let the thread continue as it has.  Nonetheless, here are my comments:

- Answering the initial question posted by the author, "what would you do", I would accept the responsibility of making a huge buyer's mistake by purchasing a car sight unseen (author's words) first.  I would also accept the responsibility of another buyer's mistake by not inspecting the car immediately upon delivery.  Then, I would determine whether the car has been mis-represented by the seller, if I had any issues/recourse with any mis-representations by the seller and ultimately, whether I wanted to keep the car, or not.  I would  set out on a course of action based on the decision I came to, keeping in mind that I dealt with the seller, not any previous inspectors, appriaisers, etc.

- In regards to the other off-topic content in this thread, I offer the following:
     - Author states "I was not really concerned about the condition of the car".  Why are you so concerned now?
     - Author states "..... bought it sight unseen because it had been certified....."  Another mistake if you didn't hire the certifier, giving him explicit
       direction(s), or know what direction was given to the certifier by the one that did hire him.
     - Author states that the previous owner says he didn't know of the "problem" with the car and author calls BS.  I don't consider myself a Camaro
       expert, but I have owned many cars in my lifetime, worked on many cars, etc.  I have a keen eye for things mechanical.  Yet, my eye for
       bodywork related things is not so good.  I have many times been shown bodywork related things on cars I've owned by others, things that I
       couldn't see, didn't look for, etc.  The previous owner might be telling the truth.
     - IMO, post author has no issue with car inspector/appraiser Jerry MacNeish.  It appears that Jerry was not hired by the author, thus he has no
       entitlement to any comment, input, whatever from Jerry.  His issue(s) should be with the seller of the car.

- In regards to the other off-topic content in this thread, specifically relating to Jerry MacNeish, I offer the following:
     - Jerry's client was the seller of this car, who's concern was whether the car was a real Z/28 and whether it had the original engine.  It appears from
       information presented that those concerns were addressed and answered.
     - IMO, Jerry has given the current owner of this car much more time/attention/diaglogue than he is entitled to.
     - Others have posted in this thread regarding the contributions offered by Jerry MacNeish to our hobby.  I couldn't agree more.
       - Jerry offers, thru his books, at miminal price, a lifetime of Camaro specific education.  Many, many people have educated themselves and
         improved/expanded our hobby by using his publications alone.  IMO, they are cheap at four times what he charges now.  He is not greedy, but
         could be.
       - I have hired Jerry as a Camaro inspector/appraiser, as have many of my friends and associates.  It is my opinion that one always gets more than
         they pay for.  
           - He allows car owner's/presenters to be a part of his inspection/appraisal process, when he really doesn't have to.  
           - He provides education during the inspection/appraisal process, when he really doesn't have to.  
       - IMO, the price one pays for a Jerry MacNeish certification/inspection/appraisal is a value.  I'm of the opinion that having Jerry's endorsement (of a
         real car) adds value to your car equal to at least twice what you pay him to do it, probably more.  Again, he could be greedy and ask for more.  
         He does not.
       - As others have pointed out, Jerry routinely offers "free" advice to those of us who frequent these forums, car shows, events, whatever.  Look at
         the time on many of his posts around.  You know they're done after a long day at the shop, many calls, lots of travel, etc.  He doesn't have to
         answer our questions, or provide excellent/informative comment, but he does.  IMO, this comes from a person interested in perpetuating our
         hobby, not one interested in just personal gain.
       - I would recommend Jerry MacNeish to anyone in need of his services.  You will find him extremely competent, and extremely professional.  And,
         as busy as he is, his detailed, inclusive report will be on your desk within a few days of his visit.  My recommendation if you do consider hiring  
         Jerry, be specific in what your expectations are from him.  He will let you know if he can/can't meet those expectations.  

Again, I am not a frequent poster here.  Thanks for allowing me to wax eloquent on this topic and thanks to CRG and others for what you do for our hobby.


Butch Everett
3  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Home Depot Cruise Night, Eldersburg, MD on: April 28, 2009, 06:26:35 AM
Will try and set the NHRA national record for D/Stock in Richmond, VA next week.  Have to go better than a 10.54.  The car went 10.64 on the second outing last year.


Wife doesn't like wheelies huh?   Cheesy  Good luck w/the record.  I'm sure the wheelie machine has another tenth + in her.
4  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67 & 68 STD INTERIOR VINYL THE SAME? on: March 16, 2009, 06:09:25 AM
Thanks Paul & Jerry.  I thought there was a subtle difference, just didn't know what it was.  I'll keep looking for a nice set of '67 originals.  Take care, Butch
5  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / 67 & 68 STD INTERIOR VINYL THE SAME? on: March 15, 2009, 07:29:35 AM
I searched the topics and didn't see this one so I'll ask.  Are the oem standard interior seat covers the same for 67 and 68 Camaro, same vinyl, same grain, etc?  I'm looking for a nice set of 67 std. covers, can't find them, but there are 68 covers available.  Thanks
6  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1967 - Orphans / 7N208800 ENGINE ON TEAM CAMARO on: March 08, 2009, 06:49:40 PM
7  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: cowl plenum breather on: April 08, 2008, 06:58:31 PM
I looked into Nelson Rudisill's (NKR) repro cowl plenums a couple of years ago.  Back then, the major differences in his air cleaner as compared to an original were in the air cleaner lid and in the material used in the duct.  In my opinion, a 1st gen Camaro Z/28 "expert" can easily tell the difference between one of his repros and an original.  But, probably 95% of Camaro owners can't tell the difference between an original and a repro.  I happen to be lucky enough to own an original 67 Z with an original cowl plenum air cleaner, but that's only because I got into this stuff way back when the stuff was affordable.  If I was just getting in to this stuff today, I'd have no problem buying the repro cowl plenum air cleaner for a nice car.  After all, even if you have the money, there's just not a lot of original units to buy anyway!!  Just my two cents.
8  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: ether use on: January 21, 2008, 07:47:22 AM
Man, I don't think a can of ether should be in the same shop as a Camaro!  Throw that stuff away and find the real cause of your starting woes.  A properly tuned car with good, fresh fuel will never need ether.  Not dissing on you, I just don't like using ether.
9  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 cowl induction rarity on: January 12, 2008, 11:00:53 AM
How can we know if we have an original hood or not? Huh

The orginal hoods had "notch" on the side edges of the hood up near the hoods meet the windshield.  The Repro hoods do not have that little notched out area and are smooth on the side edges. 
Can someone post a pic of this notch?  Thanks.
10  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: color of 67 rally wheels on: January 11, 2008, 06:47:03 PM
Is that Krylon # good for 68 and 69 cars too?  Thanks guys.
11  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: DZ302 on eBay on: January 11, 2008, 09:49:02 AM

I saw this a couple of days ago and asked him for the VIN or date code. His answer:

"I just added more pics to the ad. There isn't a vin because the block was a factory replacement.
I hope this helps. Thanks"


There's enough room for a VIN between the D and Z stamp  Grin
12  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 70 ls6 camaro in muscle car review on: January 08, 2008, 11:56:03 AM
I have no dog in this fight, nor have I seen the article referred to about the alledged 70 LS6 Camaro.  I do see that several pages in my 70 Camaro assembly manual are dedicated to RPO LS6.  There must have been some activity concerning this option?
13  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: crayon marks behind rear seat on: November 23, 2007, 09:03:25 AM
05D X-33 Fathom Green/Dark Green interior with DG-3 bulkhead mark.
X-44 project with Dark Green interior with DG-4 bulkhead mark.
Pics attached
14  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1968 - Orphans / Re: 18N482289 - VO627MO Engine possibly found on: September 14, 2007, 05:44:23 PM
Will do Paul.  I don't know if this is the real deal or not but I'm trying to find out.
15  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1968 - Orphans / 8N482289 - VO627MO Engine possibly found on: September 14, 2007, 11:17:22 AM
I'm talking to a guy who say's he knows a guy with this engine.  We'll see.
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