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766  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: VIN sequence is off by two weeks on: July 25, 2007, 11:27:43 AM
Since the VIN is about 1000 (up to 2000) cars past the last April of 69 VIN (N637101) This 04L car was started in April, probably on the 30th, and finished on May 2nd or 3rd.
767  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: VIN sequence is off by two weeks on: July 23, 2007, 06:07:56 PM
Since theres an 06E week in June, one can surmise that 06A is May 29th thru June 2nd, 06B is June 5th thru June 9th.  OR this may be one of those odd months where the build week DID change when the calendar changed, ie 05E is May 29th thru the 31st and 06A is June 1st and 2nd.  Or maybe your car was pushed up in production a week after the tag had been issued, for some odd reason. The build weeks were not set in stone, sometimes they were shorter than a week sometimes they were longer than a week.
768  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: VIN sequence is off by two weeks on: July 23, 2007, 11:23:02 AM
For the most part production was 2 shifts a day, Monday thru Friday.  There may have been some Saturdays worked to clear backlogs, or when there were heavy orders, but they are pretty rare.  Don't think the plants ever worked a Sunday, as thats double time and a half OT.

Its more likely the dealership itself was not open on Sunday so they could not receive the car, or maybe thats just the way the delivery worked out.
769  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: VIN sequence is off by two weeks on: July 23, 2007, 05:43:47 AM

1) If a build month ends on a Wednesday ( let's say April 30th, 1969 for this example ), that would be a 04E build date.  The following month starts on the next day,  Thursday in this example.  Would Thursday & Friday count as 05A?  What if there was only one day ( Friday ) left in the week that starts the new month?  Does Friday count as 05A?


Typically, build weeks started on a Monday and remained the same all the way thru Friday(or Saturday if they were working).  So if the month ended on a Monday and it was an E week, the build dates stayed the same for that whole week.  The A week would start the following Monday which would be the 6th calenadar day of the month.
770  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Decode Help on: July 20, 2007, 06:02:43 AM
Looks fine.
771  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 69 RS/SS 396/L78 Camaro on: July 16, 2007, 08:34:28 PM
Theres at least a couple of thousand of them out there.  I've got an 04L pacecar but its a 350/TH350 car. No one has figured out the significance (if any) of the L date code.  The tags should have been 04D.  Old speculation is that the D stamp was broken so they used L, but why wouldn't they have used E instead?
772  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Not Camaro but maybe the ultimate Barn find. on: July 13, 2007, 07:05:27 PM
From Todd Cotter Contributing Editor to Road and Track magazine.

Manuel Menezes Morais shot the photos, but he was sworn to secrecy about the cars' location and the owner's name. However, he was able to obtain permission from the elusive owner to give me the following information:

The owner of the cars was a car dealer in the 1970s and 1980s, and decided to save the more interesting cars that came through his doors. When the barn was full, he padlocked and "soldered" the doors shut. (Perhaps welding was too permanent.)

Web sites varied on the number of cars: 58, 100, and 180 were speculated. According to Morais, there are 180 cars in the barn.

And, aw shucks, none of the cars is for sale.

Clara was able to determine that the cars are located somewhere in the area of Sintra, near Lisbon.

I asked Morais if he could ask the owner if he had a favorite car. "He has lots of good cars in very good condition," he says, "but he loves the Lancia Aurelia B24. He has two."

773  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: bad for our hobby? on: July 03, 2007, 11:07:44 AM
That bill was pushed thru by a member of this site (and, and as well).  Now we need to get similar bills submitted in each of the other 49 states.
774  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Production Dating a vehicle by VIN on: June 27, 2007, 05:57:06 AM
637106 is the last VIN in April as reported by GM.  That would have been the last car out the door at the end of the second shift, on April 30th, 1969.  They made roughly 13,200 Camaros during the month of May, this is arrived at by subtracting the end of April numbers from the end of May numbers.  A car with a VIN of 638606 would have already been in production as of April 30th since it took about 2 days to go from a firewall with a trim tag, to a completed rear body half.  Probably started its assembly on the Fisher side of the plant on the April 29th, and came over to GMs side of the plant on May 1st and rolled out the back door of GM on Monday May 5th, maybe very late in the day on May 2nd.
775  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Paint for Hockey Stick Stripe and Rear of S.S. on: June 13, 2007, 05:13:49 AM
So can we finally make a definative call and say that the rockers and tail panel paint was semi gloss black?
776  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Paint for Hockey Stick Stripe and Rear of S.S. on: June 12, 2007, 11:18:29 AM
semi gloss is about 70-80% gloss. satin might be 30% gloss, and of course flat black is 0% gloss.

Tail panel is much higher gloss than 30%, infact i beleive it is just tuxedo black which would be gloss.  Fisher painted the tail panel and rocker panel paint on their side of the plant.  How many shades of black would they have had in their in line paint booth?  The inline repair booth (at Norwood) was where all the big block tail panels, rockers and striping work was done.  Do you think they were painting black stripes (gloss) on cars and then switching the paint over to paint the rocker and rear panels a semi gloss black?
777  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Rear Stripes - again on: June 09, 2007, 10:01:32 PM
Theres only one mask.  The treatment at the back end of the car was the only difference, on spoiler equipped cars (indicated by the holes in the trunklid) they just taped off the last 3" or therabouts of the trunklid.  All masks were positioned off the rear window, vinyl top molding, or convertible top trim and were always the same, 5/8" off the bottom of each or these reference points.

I really don't see how the factory could have mispositioned your stripes, they were doing at least 50 Z28's a day so it's not like it was something they weren't familiar with, and the paint and trim inspectors would have caught it and had it repaired.
778  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: wiper cct diagram on: June 05, 2007, 08:07:23 PM
Here you go.  Remeber, the wiper motor is always hot, and it grounds through the switch to the dash.
779  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Engine coding question for Van Nuys '69 Z28 on: June 04, 2007, 06:57:35 PM
It took about 3 days for the car to go from a pile of sheetmetal parts to a rolling chassis ready to accept the engine and transmission.  The 11D week probably ran from Monday 11/25 to Friday 11/29.  So the body could have been started anytime during that week.  Your VIN is after the last reported VIN built in November (L510583) so your car was finished late in the day Monday 12/2/68 and the engine was probably installed late in the day Friday 12/29/68.  It took roughly 2 days to ship an engine by rail from Flint to LA so an 11/25 built engine is definately possible for your car.
780  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Rear Stripes - again on: June 04, 2007, 05:52:01 AM
If you have brazing material in the original holes, then the trunklid or at least the paint on it is not original,  The factory did not braze the original emblem holes shut when a spoiler was installed they just put a peice of tape over each hole and bolted the spoiler over it, and I doubt that a dealer would do that either, since it would require the lid to be repainted.
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