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61  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Is this paint color combo possible ? on: June 05, 2014, 05:21:39 AM
No he said you could get a red convertible with a white top, and it would have a blacked out tail panel if it had a big block.
62  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Zeroing in on X code start up on: June 01, 2014, 08:12:28 PM
Cant be an L78 if its an X55.
63  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Original dealer info for 1st gens is available on: May 29, 2014, 09:51:42 AM
Remember the NCRS date is the day the car left the back door of the plant and is obviously calendar based, the cowl tag is the week the car was scheduled to be built and may not exactly follow the calendar weeks.  Also it took about 4 days to go from a firewall to a car rolling out the back door.  So if the car left the plant on a Wednesday, it was probably a firewall on the Friday of the week before.
64  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Zeroing in on X code start up on: May 29, 2014, 09:46:16 AM
Norwood 69 cowl tags were printed up well before the body construction actually started (seen estimates of 2 days to a week).  The body numbers are order numbers and are no where near consecutive, you may have had a car ordered and accepted by GM in the middle of November, but not scheduled to be built by the factory for a month or more because of some weird combination of options, or colors so body numbers don't help on the 69's.  The cowl tags were scheduled for a certain build week and then sorted and organized within any specific days schedule by Fisher based on their build constraints like no convertibles closer than 10 bodies to another convertible, no vinyl topped cars closer together than 7 bodies, while trying to group paint colors together (but that doesn't seem to be a major factor in scheduling but it is one they had to look at).  At that point the build order became fixed (probably the day before the build started) and the bodies were built in that sequence.  some cars scheduled for a build in a certain week (and had a cowl tag stamped) got pushed back a week or pulled forward.  that doesn't seem to happen very often but it did occur.  The only universal constant is that each car arriving at the GM side of the plant got 1VIN number higher than the one that came thru before it.  somewhere along the process someone started adding the X code to a group of tags, and it was in the works for at least a month before the actual codes arrived, because Norwood shifted to the large format tags needed to support the code on the tag in Mid November.  It could have started on a Monday morning, or a Tuesday afternoon, or any other time.  The shuffling of cowl tags around to meet various build constraints will make it hard to find the exact first car to carry an X code.
65  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: If Anyone is Interested in a 67 Pace Car on: May 28, 2014, 12:08:53 PM
No such thing.  They only made 8 69 T/A convertibles, 4 autos, 4 manuals, and all were equipped with white tops.  They did have blue interiors and blue convertible top boots, but no blue convertible tops.  There was 4 blue vinyl roofed coupes, and 2 black vinyl topped coupes out of the 697 total.

I seriously doubt the blue topped 67 Pace cars were factory cars built for the indianapolis 500 like the white topped ones with the various FSO numbers.  No doubt there were a few there, but they were just white convertibles with a black nose stripe and were most likely something drawn from local dealer stock and delivered to the track to have a few more camaros on hand.
66  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Research Topics & Reports / Re: 1967 Camaro radius rod research on: May 27, 2014, 01:35:58 PM
Yes they did, and they used two of them on an axle.
67  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / June 69 Z28 Tachs on: May 27, 2014, 11:42:16 AM
Anyone have a Z28 with a 6K redline/7K top of scale tach in an 06a built norwood Z?  I know they should have been 6K/8K by then, trying to see if there was a shortage of the 8K versions in mid to late June, or if a tach was just swapped with an incorrect one.
68  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: If Anyone is Interested in a 67 Pace Car on: May 24, 2014, 04:56:36 PM
Here's another on, only 139.9K for this one.  Let's see if the market has improved

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-Pace-Car-REAL-DEAL-FESTIVAL-BIG-BLOCK-INDIANAPOLIS-500-PACE-CAR-SUPER-RARE-SS-R-S-/251539240024?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3a90e83458&item=251539240024&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
69  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Yellow 69 Camaro Design car on: May 23, 2014, 12:47:09 PM
I'd be willing to bet that that is one of the two special ZL1 styling Camaros GM made mid model year.  They were both oringally black with gold pinstriping, 70 style mirrors, those funky front spoilers, endura bumpers etc.  One was an Auto, the other was a standard transmission car.
70  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 spare wheel on: May 22, 2014, 10:02:16 PM
Thought factory wheels were painted black on the back, service wheels were grey?
71  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Stripe delete on: May 21, 2014, 05:26:25 AM
The maroon 68 convertible with the white interior?  That one is clearly paint, but of course its originality has always been questioned.

72  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Stripe delete on: May 20, 2014, 05:48:30 AM
Those aren't really stripe deletes, they were stripes that were cancelled before they made it into production.  The D88 was probably just a little to labor intensive in a production environment, as each stripe would have had to have been masked off 5 times to paint all the different colors, and keeping track of the various stripe colors that went with the car body colors would have been a nightmare for the paint shop..
73  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Look what my wife brought home for me just now. on: May 13, 2014, 11:21:09 AM
40K on  97?  Do you have about 30 daily drivers?  My newest is a 2000 Cadillac STS and it has 206000 on it and I add about 30K a year.  I'm driving that until the wheels fall of it (which will probably be in the next 12 months).  Then to show you what a glutton for punishment I am, I'm getting an 03 or 04 Range Rover.  Need something to tow the boat, and i need to brush up on my electrical troubleshooting skills, so we'll give a British car a go, plus they plummet in value worse than the Cadillacs do after about 6 years so you can get one relatively cheaply.

Wife has a 2010 Toyota with 34K on it, although her comute is only 6 miles each way, and i won't drive it.
74  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Look what my wife brought home for me just now. on: May 12, 2014, 03:58:04 PM
Some lumber tipping over or someone turning around with a 4 by 4 on their shoulder while someone was loading it into there car or truck.  Is that a horizontal scuff mark running from the dent across the tail light where wharever it was continued on its way to the ground.
75  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Stripe delete on: May 09, 2014, 01:11:04 PM
So excluding a special order color which obviously warrents a "-" on the cowl tag, what does Fisher do to a non Z28 car tub thats different on a "-" (or early "Z") coded car on a stripe deletion?  Obviously on a Z28 they don't paint the rear stripes, nor do they paint the Cowl stripes.  On a BB they could delete the tail panel blackout.

They don't have the front fenders, valance  or the hood, so nothing from the doors forward can be affected by info on the cowl tag, and the physical tag is nowhere near these complenents when they are assembled and painted on the GM side.

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