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31  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: trim ring fit to rim on: January 28, 2014, 11:22:08 AM
Check this out, some of the pictures are missing, but the story is there.

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=112918&highlight=TRIM+RING
32  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Partial vin on: January 15, 2014, 12:09:40 PM
Doesn't represent anything, its half of the engine suffix code.  All 1st gen Camaros (and most GM cars from the early 60 thru 1970) have two letter suffix codes indicating what the engine is.  DZ is a 69 302 Z28 engine, MK is a 327/275HP L30 with a manual transmission, HA and HB were the two assembly codes for the 69 L48 350/300HP with either a manual or automatic transmission.  Theres literally hundreds of 2 letter engine assembly suffix codes used by GM over the years up to 1970 when they went to 3 letter codes.  There were single letter engine suffix codes used in the 50's and maybe into the early 60's but I would bet that you M infront of the K is probably just filled with paint or so lightly stamped you can't see it.
33  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Partial vin on: January 15, 2014, 07:09:37 AM
Should be between the 07 and the K.  MK was the engine suffix code for a 67 L30 with a manual transmission.
34  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: If Anyone is Interested in a 67 Pace Car on: January 10, 2014, 02:58:08 PM
Theres a big difference in buying a 5K 1st gen Camaro, and a 145K one.  I might buy another one if i could find one for 5K, but around here that will get you some rusted body tub with no drivetrain.  The real question is will the market support a 100K plus Camaro anymore.
35  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: If Anyone is Interested in a 67 Pace Car on: January 10, 2014, 01:42:20 PM
Yes, but is anyone of them going to fork over 145K for a car (or 60 or 70K for a Z28, or 20-30K for a small block SS) that you obviously can't drive if you ever wish to recoup your "investment", just to have it sit in their garage. 

Make no mistake, I hope the guy gets his price and we all get big bucks when it comes time to sell our cars, but I'm just not seeing the money changing hands and the cars going to any of the "younger crowd" who are looking for one to have and drive around on the occassional sunny weekend day.  The ships have sailed on those kind of sales.  The only place these kinds of cars can go is into someones collectin where it will never see the road again, and theres just not enough of those folks out there to keep up with the supply.
36  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Trim tag. What say you on: January 10, 2014, 06:19:25 AM
They did make a bunch of changes when they went to the large format tags, like they were made pn completely different machines, different font, different spacings etc.  The early norwood tags are the same as all of the LA tags as they never went to the larger format tags.  Theres nothing of interest on this tag as it only indicates interior and exterior colors similar to the 68 tags so there really no reason to change it unless you were changing the color of the car on a high end restoration.  This one appears to be in primer so I wouldn't think that's the case here.  Someone did that the tag off some time in its life, see the little gap between the tag and the rivet that means the rivet is loose, and also the smeared and flattened out filler, those are both signs the tag has probably been off at one time or another.  But as long as the VIN matches the 11C build date I wouldn't worry about it.
37  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Ziebart... How to remove it? on: January 09, 2014, 05:13:55 PM
Why would someone Ziebart a fiberglass car?

Ziebart was (is) a wax based protectant that was typically sprayed into the interior areas of panels that didn't get undercoating from the factory.  The black rubberized crap is uaually home applied, there weren't many places that did it as a business back in the day, either way its a painfully slow process to get it off, somepeople use heat guns and paint scrapers, and then go at it with laquer thinner or acetone on a rag.  Needless to say you need some good ventilation if your going to try those methods to try and remove it.
38  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: If Anyone is Interested in a 67 Pace Car on: January 09, 2014, 05:07:21 PM
These are not the cars the "younger crowd" grew up with so they don't have the want or need for them the way we did, or do.  I'm 55, and my high school car was a 68 Camaro, it was only 6 years old when i got it (from a bone yard) and theres been a Camaro of one kind or the other in the yard or driveway since then.  People tend to stick with the cars of their youth when they are having that mid life crisis or just want to relive the old times and these cars are getting further away from the people who have the spare cash laying around to buy them.  Thats not going to change.
39  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: If Anyone is Interested in a 67 Pace Car on: January 09, 2014, 01:41:45 PM
It's Tom Huber's car, and was extensively restored with all GM parts allegedly.  It is a lot of money, maybe more than the market will bear certainly in a Craigslist ad anyway.  The only way to get that much green out of it is at a high end auction like a Mecum event, but I don't think the market is there either.  Not just for this car, but for anything that isn't a COPO (and even those are not really pulling this kind of dollars anymore), or something special.  I think getting 6 figures for anything that isn't a COPO is going to be tough, and getting anything over 150K would require something like a ZL1, old known drag car or really high end L72's.  I know i would like to see the market for the first gens to come back to what it was 6 years ago, but it's not back and most likely won't come back as the buyer base is moving one, and the younger buyers just don't care about these cars as much.
40  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 SS RS Convertible on ebay on: January 09, 2014, 11:46:54 AM
Whats with the info on the cowl tag?

Look at the line below the paint color line. "2R76"?  Thats the weirdest schedule code I've ever seen.

Sorry for the size, I'm at work and can't make it smaller.

41  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: fuel pump died? on: January 06, 2014, 06:37:30 PM
Check you oil level and content.  If the diaphragm is leaking you may end up with an oil pan full of gasoline.
42  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 454 engine on: December 31, 2013, 11:40:04 AM
You might want to look into ladder or traction bars, if the car doesn't have an original radius rod on the rear axle.
43  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: CAMARO Performers Jan. '14 issue pg. 16 on: December 30, 2013, 07:31:37 PM
One would assume it somehow related to the sequence number that is also on the cowl tag.  Was probably easier to see the number on the side of the truck from across the room than to have to look for the hand written code on the firewall early in the build cycle so the right parts got to the right body.   Can't tell if those numbers are permanently attached to the truck or some kind of tag that was just hung on there and could be changed each time when a new body tub was mounted to it.
44  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: CAMARO Performers Jan. '14 issue pg. 16 on: December 30, 2013, 02:17:48 PM
It's also a different body, note the first car (Color version) is sitting on truck 17, the second one is sitting on truck 15.  Also note how the sequence number on the fire wall (inside the trans tunnel) appears to match the truck number that its sitting on.
45  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Hood Part numbers on: December 29, 2013, 08:31:04 PM
617 is your standard flat hood 67 to 69 hood, 619 is the SS hood with the power bulge and openings for the hood ornaments (the big block SS velocity stacks, or small block louvered trim pieces).   3949708 is the 69 Ducted (cowl induction) hood.
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