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16  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original Black Primer Underside of Body 69 Z/28's on: June 23, 2014, 09:41:09 AM
The black is a phosphate coating, any other colors, greys, blacks reds etc are primers sprayed on in the paint booths
17  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Stripe delete on: June 12, 2014, 06:04:20 AM
Would assume that the black tail panel delete would not be a common special paint instruction, but if you could delete it Fisher would have to do it.  That instruction would have to be linked to the 4K, 4N code as well as those codes are also associated with the tail panel blackout and the traction arm on the rear axle.
18  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Stripe delete on: June 11, 2014, 11:58:43 AM
All done by GM.  Other than color, only D96 stripes,  Z28 stripes, and black tail panel for big blocks would be affected by a special paint order.
19  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 100K 69 Z/28 code 52 on: June 11, 2014, 06:10:46 AM
It is not consistent with other tags of the same week, I have a bunch of tags from the same timeframe as this one and they don't have the same characters style on several of the numbers.  So yes I would say it is a repro.  The body number is also probably the original number though.  No telling what the car was originally now, was it just a color change on a Z, or was it a base 307 coupe.
20  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Stripe delete on: June 11, 2014, 06:05:53 AM
But Fisher had their own version of a broadcast sheet that told the workers what to add to the car, it was removed from the tub before the body was sent over to Chevrolet.
21  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: 67 Camaro Standard AC Switch on: June 10, 2014, 10:37:08 AM
If it's like the 69 version, it sits on top of the heater box inside the car, up against the firewall, near the defroster duct riser.  Not a fun place to get to especially if you have a console. I't controlled by thearm on top of the heater box, connected to the damper that lets the air into the car after passing thru the evaporator in the A/c suitcase.
22  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 100K 69 Z/28 code 52 on: June 09, 2014, 11:21:34 AM
Is this one of the things you saw?



Something odd, its definately been off the car, but I don't have my tag files at work to compare this to, but I'm leaning towards it being a repro tag.  It is a sweet looking car though.

Not originally a gauge car, since it doesn't have a clock in the center of the dash.
23  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1969 Camaro indy pace car jacket... on: June 05, 2014, 09:17:56 PM
2750 bucks!!!  Little optomistic isn't he (or she).  I got my PC for less than that, granted it was 1982.
24  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Stripe delete on: June 05, 2014, 07:28:51 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but it appears Mark is stating that that information applied to TT would be furnished differently based on the plant...

Example... LA produced cars with no stripe would have a - - since they did in fact paint the front ends, BUT Norwood would have standard information? 

No, I'm just stating that GM at Norwood did not use the - on the trim tag to clue them in as to either a special color paint, or a stripe delete, since the paint shop never saw the body tub or the trim tag.  Fisher obviously used the - to designate a special paint instruction on their side of the plant.  If you take the paint code off the tag it forces the lne workers to look at the paperwork for that car.  If the instructions were for a special color they would have to spray it with a hand held gun with a 5 gallon pot, or fill one of the color loops with the special color if the number of cars in the order was large enough to justify that.  If the car was a Z28 and it wasn't supposed to get the rally stripes that info would be in the paperwork as well.  But once the car got to GMs side of the plant, the body tub went one way and the front end sheet metal was painted and striped without the workers ever seeing the car, or the tag.  All of GM's special paint instructions had to be carried on or referenced on the body broadcast sheet.

LA had a common paint shop so all the parts of the car would have been painted together so it doesn't really matter what the instructions said, they would have been carried out by the same group of people.  They obviously need to know about special paint colors and deletion of stripes, but the coordination of actions was carried out differently.
25  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Is this paint color combo possible ? on: June 05, 2014, 05:21:39 AM
No he said you could get a red convertible with a white top, and it would have a blacked out tail panel if it had a big block.
26  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Zeroing in on X code start up on: June 01, 2014, 08:12:28 PM
Cant be an L78 if its an X55.
27  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Original dealer info for 1st gens is available on: May 29, 2014, 09:51:42 AM
Remember the NCRS date is the day the car left the back door of the plant and is obviously calendar based, the cowl tag is the week the car was scheduled to be built and may not exactly follow the calendar weeks.  Also it took about 4 days to go from a firewall to a car rolling out the back door.  So if the car left the plant on a Wednesday, it was probably a firewall on the Friday of the week before.
28  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Zeroing in on X code start up on: May 29, 2014, 09:46:16 AM
Norwood 69 cowl tags were printed up well before the body construction actually started (seen estimates of 2 days to a week).  The body numbers are order numbers and are no where near consecutive, you may have had a car ordered and accepted by GM in the middle of November, but not scheduled to be built by the factory for a month or more because of some weird combination of options, or colors so body numbers don't help on the 69's.  The cowl tags were scheduled for a certain build week and then sorted and organized within any specific days schedule by Fisher based on their build constraints like no convertibles closer than 10 bodies to another convertible, no vinyl topped cars closer together than 7 bodies, while trying to group paint colors together (but that doesn't seem to be a major factor in scheduling but it is one they had to look at).  At that point the build order became fixed (probably the day before the build started) and the bodies were built in that sequence.  some cars scheduled for a build in a certain week (and had a cowl tag stamped) got pushed back a week or pulled forward.  that doesn't seem to happen very often but it did occur.  The only universal constant is that each car arriving at the GM side of the plant got 1VIN number higher than the one that came thru before it.  somewhere along the process someone started adding the X code to a group of tags, and it was in the works for at least a month before the actual codes arrived, because Norwood shifted to the large format tags needed to support the code on the tag in Mid November.  It could have started on a Monday morning, or a Tuesday afternoon, or any other time.  The shuffling of cowl tags around to meet various build constraints will make it hard to find the exact first car to carry an X code.
29  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: If Anyone is Interested in a 67 Pace Car on: May 28, 2014, 12:08:53 PM
No such thing.  They only made 8 69 T/A convertibles, 4 autos, 4 manuals, and all were equipped with white tops.  They did have blue interiors and blue convertible top boots, but no blue convertible tops.  There was 4 blue vinyl roofed coupes, and 2 black vinyl topped coupes out of the 697 total.

I seriously doubt the blue topped 67 Pace cars were factory cars built for the indianapolis 500 like the white topped ones with the various FSO numbers.  No doubt there were a few there, but they were just white convertibles with a black nose stripe and were most likely something drawn from local dealer stock and delivered to the track to have a few more camaros on hand.
30  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Research Topics & Reports / Re: 1967 Camaro radius rod research on: May 27, 2014, 01:35:58 PM
Yes they did, and they used two of them on an axle.
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