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16  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Vin info on: December 29, 2014, 06:51:00 AM
It's the infamous yellow/yellow X77 Z28 with the Tonawanda T0225DZ stamped engine.

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=178851

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=12950.0;topicseen
17  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Trim tag and engine stamp opinion on: December 28, 2014, 11:13:18 PM
Its got the same assembly stamp on it, because its the same car, how many 76B, 714 yellow houndstooth z28s could they make with a Tonawanda engine..  Its not legit.  Vin is 9N608302
18  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 0-0 paint code on: December 25, 2014, 08:04:14 AM
"O" in 67 is technically "special paint instructions"  could be a non standard stripe configuration, a show paint finish on a standard color, or a special order paint color, usually limited to s standard GM paint color that was available in the same model year on another body style.
19  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 0-0 paint code on: December 24, 2014, 10:07:03 PM
No way of telling how many were painted this color as its a special paint order car.  Color is most likely either code 516 Orange (probably) or code 519 Dark Yellow, both regular production 67 Chevrolet paint colrs, just not available for Camaros without being a special order.
20  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Interesting Craigslist Finds on: December 22, 2014, 06:59:37 AM
Set of 3 14 by 6 rally wheels with 4 caps and trim rings Worcester MA.  $125.  Ad text says they are K1811XG, but picture of one shows  YF 7J26 so probably a mixed bag.

http://worcester.craigslist.org/pts/4758576088.html


21  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Interesting Craigslist Finds on: December 22, 2014, 06:37:04 AM
67 Bench Seat for $400 in Plymouth CT (North of Waterbury).

http://hartford.craigslist.org/pts/4752109269.html

22  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures on: December 19, 2014, 07:50:07 PM
Makes it easier to build pilot line cars at the close of the first production year.  All the kinks are worked out by then.
23  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures on: December 19, 2014, 07:29:59 PM
Notice how every single one of the NCRS official build dates for these cars is 8/10/66.  Wonder what's up with that, and the 05B, 09B cowl tag dates observed to date?  I'm also wondering how they are turning the Fisher DD body number into a corresponding VIN number, as there are only 4 of them known, and only 1 lines up DD number to VIN number so far, and that number N100001.
24  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures on: December 17, 2014, 10:38:01 PM
They are all hand built made between 5/21 and 6/17/66, if the production data is accurate Fisher delivered them in batches of 2 to as many as 5 on any one day to Norwood, where they would be finished off and then sent to their final destination.  Some remained at the plant, documentation says 12 were to be delivered to "manufacturing".  Maybe all 12 of those remained at Norwood for testing, maybe some of them went to some other manufacturing location, whatever locations that would be part of the manufacturing organization that wasn't either Norwood or LOS.  The last tubs were delivered on 6/16 from Plant no. 21, and the latest date that they were required at their final destination (proving ground, sales, tech centers, etc.) was noted as 8/1/66. giving the assembly plants about 4 or 5 weeks to work the bugs out and get them ready to go.

17 of them were sent to the proving grounds, only 1 (DD64) was noted as being sent to Chevrolet Norwood, 1 (DD63) was sent to Chevrolet Los Angeles, 3 DD29, DD54, and DD58, went to Janesville (figure that one out) all delivered to Janesville on 8/8.  A bunch (11) went to the Flint manufacturing, 2 went to Oshawa Canada, another couple went to Atlanta, and the rest seem to be distributed amongst the various tech centers and engineering groups.  So if any remained at Norwood for pre production testing after the intiail buildout was complete  it would seem like it was only DD64.
25  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures on: December 17, 2014, 07:20:12 PM
In this case, plant 21 built the part of the car that Fisher Norwood would make during production and then trucked, or shipped them by rail to Norwood, where they ended up in the Pilot assembly area.  They never entered the actual Norwood assembly plant (near as I can tell) as they were still churning out 66 model year cars (and trucks?).  So why would they have NOR tags on them.  the 67/68 versions don't have all that certification mumbo jumbo that the 69's do so it probably wasn't a DOT requirement.
26  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures on: December 17, 2014, 12:56:14 PM
Would it be likely that the "tubs" arrived at the Norwood (or LOS) plants with Fisher body tags (cowl tags) already on the firewall (ie made up at Fisher plant 21) or would any tag that presently exist on these car have to be attached at Norwood (or LOS) when they arrived?  

Since they were not scheduled by GM for assembly at Norwood (or LOS) and they were being essentially hand built in plant 21 in detroit, would they even have needed tags made up prior to assembly, and  if they did require a tag, would the pilot line at plant 21 attach a tag from Norwood (or LOS) to these tubs.  The 4 cars we know about all have cowl tags on them (with at least 2 different date codes on them - 05B, and 09B), how and when did these get placed on the cars?
27  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Interesting Craigslist Finds on: December 16, 2014, 09:22:24 PM
Thought I would start a thread where we can post interesting items relating to 67 to 69 Camaros, that we are not going to try and buy ourselves.  Lets limit to 67-69 Camaros and parts for them.  Don't list stuff you are trying to sell yourself, just things that you have found surfing the web.

I'll start it off with a 69 Rolling Body in Pittsfield MA for $5500.  Looks like it was a basic 327/TH350 car, looks like 124379N545473, and an 11C build was Daytona Yellow, with a black standard interior.

http://westernmass.craigslist.org/cto/4795291620.html

28  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1969 - Orphans / Re: 9Nxxx007, 69 DZ 302 shortblock on: December 15, 2014, 06:45:55 PM
How would someone prove they own a car that the vin ends in 007, must only be several thousand of them in that time frame, would have been better off with the front half  or front 4 of the vin.  
29  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures on: December 14, 2014, 09:03:18 AM
I think that's a tag on the back of a trim panel, maybe the panel below the 1/4 window above the seat.  Looks like a cardboard/fiberboard background.  There was 2 plants in Grand Rapids, one was a metal stamping plant at 300 36th street in the suburb or Wyoming MI, (plant 1) and a second Fisher plant (#2) at 6030 Vorheis Ave In Grand Rapids.  Plant 1 was something like 2 million sq ft in size, and the No. 2 plant was about 1/4 of that size.  Both had access to rail lines running across the property.  GM plant 1 is demolished, plant 2 is still there, but has several new tenants in it, not related to GM any longer.
30  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures on: December 13, 2014, 04:29:53 PM
Yes I have seen the entire document but between GMs possible copyright (if there is any in effect) I can't say if it will end up on the web somewhere in its entirety.  But heres an image of a single page of it. This is the car that was just dug out of a Garage in PA about 2 weeks ago, and now apparently belongs to the same guy that owns N100001.

And that is the question, what rolled out of Fisher Body #21, a partially built Tub from the firewall back like Fisher would provide to GM thru the "hole in the wall", or a completely trimmed out finished assembly.  From John's description it sounds like finished Tubs including paint and interior, to which GM would attach the running gear and whatever options were necessary.  Then they were sent off to their final destinations, and possibly a few remained at Norwood (and probably all of the LOS delivered ones) so they could be played with in their pilot building so the assembly processes, and the components themselves  could be fine tuned for when actual production began. 

Now, when did they get the NOR (orLOS) cowl tags attached, at the pilot plant, at Fisher Norwood before going to Chevy, or at some later point when they were sold.  I'm going to assume they got them at the assembly plant just before turn over to GM. but we don't know that all of them got tags, as only 4 of them have been found, and 2 have 05B dated tags, and 2 have 09B tags.
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