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1  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Original dealer info for 1st gens is available on: August 12, 2014, 05:24:43 PM
Don't forget starting April 19th Norwood was building Firebirds as well as Camaros, that probably where the other 250 cars per day went.
2  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Original dealer info for 1st gens is available on: July 31, 2014, 11:47:35 AM
Way back in the dawn of automobile manufacturing (and probably before) Fisher Coach was its own company building bodies of cars, wagons, etc for other companies that build the chassis and running gears, similar to Pinifarina in Europe, and half a dozen coach builders here in the US.  Back in the 20's and 30's you could have a custom body contructed to be put on most any higher end chassis.  Fisher plants were co located with the GM assembly plants but maintained a mostly separate organization.  They were esentially subcontractors to GM assembling "Body Tubs" for GM to finish assembling into completed cars.  GM paid Fisher for each Body Tub they assembled.  

Before 1926 fisher was building bodies for just about anyone in Detroit that was building cars. Between 1916 and 1926 they had a capcity of 370000 bodies a year and they built for  Abbot, Buick, Cadillac, Chalmers, Chandler, Chevrolet, Churchfield, Elmore, EMF, Ford, Herreshoff, Hudson, Krit, Oldsmobile, Packard, Regal, and Studebaker.

Back in 1926  Fisher Body was bought out by GM (they already owned 60% of Fishers Shares) and they became a separate Division within GM.  GM complained that Fisher built their assembly plant too far away from GMs plants and were therby holding their production up, so they bought them and moved their plants next to GM assembly plants to cut down on delays.  Fisher was paid on cost plus basis and allegedly had some inefficient processes that were increasing the prices of the bodies that GM had to pay.  So GM felt it was in their best interest to buy Fisher body up, locate the assembly plants near theirs, and change their processes to be more efficient.  Up until about the mid 70's they remained a separate division within GM but at that point they were completely absorbed and just became part of GM.  Up until that time they maintained their own separate identity, organization and personel.
3  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Original dealer info for 1st gens is available on: July 30, 2014, 09:12:59 PM
April and May of 68 LA cars have some unique trim tag build dates, there are several very long build weeks and some missing weeks around this time.  Must have been a new guy on the tag machine.   

Is this an "Ixxx" work order number car? 

First LA VIN for calendar month of May is supposed to be 338365 and LA was building about 3500 Camaros a month according to GMs records but I think those records are off a bit.  But an 05C dated tag on your vin is consistant with vin numbers close to yours.
4  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Original dealer info for 1st gens is available on: July 30, 2014, 03:23:12 PM
Is your VIN in the 9N645XXX range (+/- 1000), or higher than that?  If its in the mid 640's and the tag is original, then it was scheduled to be built during the third week of May but was pulled forward for some reason.  If its VIN is significantly higher than the 9N645xxx range then your birth date is wrong, and is probably more inline with the tag date.
5  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Original dealer info for 1st gens is available on: July 29, 2014, 05:02:47 PM
Absolutely, GM determined when a particular car was to be built based on their schedules, and their part availablilities and Fisher built it.  There wasn't really much on the fisher side of the plant that could result in a material shortage that wouldn't alos affect the GM side.  Maybe things like convertible and vinyl tops in certain colors, some interior peices, etc.  Most of fishers parts were sheetmetal stampings that were not specific to a certain vehicle, like a 302 engine, or an M22 transmission. I'm sure there were some things on the Fisher side that could delay a build, but most of them was probably on GMs side.
6  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: New body? on: July 27, 2014, 08:00:00 AM
Convertible with a coupe VIN and cowl tag (and vis-versa) is practically unsellable these days.
7  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 67 pacesetter sale on: July 16, 2014, 11:38:45 AM
How about this, a little pacesetter ad from 67.

http://youtu.be/PNBpX29Qtn0
8  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 69 Trim Tag D80 question on: July 12, 2014, 10:03:05 AM
D80 first appeared on tags Just after the time the firebirds were added to the assembly line at Norwood.  Probably had more to do with the trans am cars than the Camaros, but the option lists used in the "computer" creating the tags probably couldn't differentiate between a spoiler option on a Camaro, and one on a Firebird so all the cars with spoilers ended up with the code on their tags.
9  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Cowl Tag Codes Sep 68 vs Sep 69 on: July 10, 2014, 04:06:52 PM
They will be in yellow paint pen or grease pen UNDER the glue used to attach the package tray vinyl to the metal structure of the seat support.  Very important that they be under the glue, because I have seen people add them to cars but the markings were on top of the glue residue.  People will do anything for a buck these days.
10  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Farewell And The Best For Ed! on: July 05, 2014, 07:59:12 PM
No bodys getting banned,  that's sort of a wakeup call we just don't need the animosity spreading from one tread to another.  Now if people want to be contructive and start a new thread about axle stamps in any particular time period, that would help bullit65 confirm his is factory correct, or not that would be a much better use of everyone's time, instead of what's going on now.  Afterall isn't that what the site is supposed to be about, no one here is infallible, all we can do is make the best statements we can based on the info at hand, as time goes on and more info becomes available opinions change.  My axle it  too early (end of April) in this case so I can't start it off.  Lets see some axle stamps and pumpkin casting dates from everyone.
11  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Farewell And The Best For Ed! on: July 05, 2014, 05:56:08 PM
Wow, I think someones shooting to be the second person ever banned from the site.  I suggest you drop it, the stamp on your axle is not consistant with others of the time period.  Could be a legitimate reason like the stamp broke at the assembly plant before yours was stamped, or it could have been restamped to match your POP.  Your not helping figure it out, but then I guess its just easier to stir the pot, or put up a smoke screen.
12  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: 67 Camaro Standard AC Switch on: July 02, 2014, 10:06:21 AM
Its an electrical switch triggered by the door linkage for the door that lets the air into the car from the suitcase.  Theres no vacuum switches on a 69, except the one that operates the heater isolation valve, and the two dampers in the cowl area (one on top of the cowl, the other behind the passenger kick panel)
13  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Zone Office Delivery on: July 01, 2014, 10:04:19 PM
Yes it would show the zones address on the top of the shipper copy and the window sticker, then when it was sold the Zone office would annotate on the shipper copy and window sticker what the purpose of the car was, and a date when it was placed in service after it had served its original purpose .  Then there was a signature line for the Zone Manager to sign.  I've got one shipper copy from a 69 Pacecar originally delivered to the indianapolis Zoine office for Courtesy Service with USAC and it was then placed in service on 6/19/69.  It also has a note on it about Shipping it to Baker Chevrolet typed in on the bottom.  I can only assume that is the dealer who sold it in June.
14  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Real SS? on: June 23, 2014, 05:58:56 PM
How many fuel lines between the fuel tank and the fuel pump, one or two?
15  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original Black Primer Underside of Body 69 Z/28's on: June 23, 2014, 05:53:48 PM
Anything under the car is overspray of either the primer used, body color, sill or firewall blackout.  The bottom of the car was never purposely sprayed with either primer or body color paint.  At least at Norwood since the body was  sitting on a truck about 18: off the floor, there was no way to physically get under the body to spray anything after the phosphating process was complete.  LA held the bodies higher on suspended carriers so they are more likely to have more overspray, but again it was not done on purpose.
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