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31  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22 on: December 18, 2013, 08:02:58 PM
Lloyd, I changed your quote from my earlier post because I made some edits after you made the quote.

Your second picture shows two types of the LISLE MAGNETIC 2 plug.  I will try to post a picture of the other one later.
32  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22 on: December 18, 2013, 07:53:47 PM
I have visited the Lisle Manufacturing plant that made the original plugs.  I tried to see if they could make them again with the same original lettering.  No dice.  

I believe the LISLE 3 plug was in use prior to the M22 being introduced (so it is prior to 1965).  

There are at least three minor variations of the LISLE MAGNETIC 2 plug.  The 1969 model year type plugs were also used in 1968 M22s in Camaros.   

From what I can tell, the P and LISLE plugs are 1970 and later.  Possibly some in very late 1969 but not sure on that.  Typically used when there was both a fill and drain plug.

The W plug with underline is a fill plug, the normal plug for M20 and M21 transmissions 1969 and earlier.  
33  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Help please, decoding car on: December 17, 2013, 09:27:04 PM
You need to look at the rear axle in the area where I told you to look.  See the picture I linked too.  The numbers will be stamped on front of the passenger side axle tube, not cast into the metal on the center section.

As for the engine code, look where I told you to look.  On the pad of the block, in front of the passenger side cylinder head.  Alternator may be in the way, but the brake booster is no where close to this area.
34  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Help please, decoding car on: December 16, 2013, 12:47:20 PM
I could not get you in numbers off the trans or rear end.  Only jacks i have at home at 5 ton,  and nothing will go under the car

You really don't need a jack to see the rear axle code. You can see it from just crawling under the car in most cases.  See this link.
http://www.camaros.org/drivetrain.shtml#axle

Did you check the engine code?  See this location.
http://www.camaros.org/drivetrain.shtml#PadStamps

More specifically, here. In front of the passenger side cylinder head.
http://www.camaros.org/images/pages/decoding/1967-69_V8engine_stamp_location.jpg

What makes you this is a 30,000 mile car?  Service records?  Other documentation?

And you mentioned "under the cowl tag" a few times.  There are no numbers in that location.
35  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Help please, decoding car on: December 16, 2013, 10:14:35 AM

I told you wrong on the shifter on the column,  its P R N D L,    So im assuming that is power glide?

Yes, it appears the original transmission was a Powerglide.
36  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Help please, decoding car on: December 15, 2013, 10:20:35 AM
Which 350?  Check the numbers on the front pad of the engine block (in front of the passenger side cylinder head) and let us know what the numbers and letters are there.  Post some pics of the car if you can.

Some cars had a column shift.  It is a manual or automatic transmission. Which rear axle?  There will be a code there on the front edge of the middle of the passenger side axle tube.
37  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 68 PP code axle on: December 14, 2013, 12:01:01 PM
Thanks Ed.
38  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / 68 PP code axle on: December 13, 2013, 11:58:13 AM
I was reading the Production numbers for 1968.

PP code for 3.07 in 1968 only 560 were produced?

Is this a Typo or was that really the number?

My 68 has a PP 1122G2

Someone will correct me if I am wrong.  PP code in 1968 is 3.07 open with metallic brakes.  

If you are talking about the RPO spreadsheet, I believe that does not include the cars that would have had the 3.07 rear as standard.  From the Power Teams chart, 3.07 was standard with the 350/295 hp engine and a Powerglide, also with the 396/325 hp engine and either the 3 spd or 4 spd manual transmission.

What engine and transmission does your car have?
39  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original? on: December 06, 2013, 11:11:15 AM
I have been an on off member of this site for 3 or 4 years but have been very busy with life the last year or so and have not been involved . I did own a sweet rs ss 67 ragtop clone for 4years but sold it this past June when we moved.  I recently bought another 67 ragtop and  immediatly put the car in storage to build a garage.  I am the fourth owner and have the original protector plate for the car. The previous owner says the car is numbers matching. I have not had time to confirm this due to the garage build and the car being in storage. It is a 327 four barrel 3 speed Saginaw with a deluxe/custom interior. 10 bolt open rear end.Manual brakes manual top.  This car has the factory set of console gauges and dash tack.  I know these features were all available at the time of production but is it a little odd to see a non rs ss car with the gauge package and deluxe interior with a 3 speed Saginaw.  Where the 3 speed sags  ;Dcommon in these cars.Help with info please.

If you want, post some pics of the trim tag on the firewall and the Protect-o-Plate.  We can help you decode the information about options that way.  Or send them to me direct and I will email you back. 

There should be an assembly date and application code on the front pad of the engine block.  That should match the Protect-o-Plate.

I am not as familiar with 67s as 68s, but I believe the Saginaw 3 speed was the base transmission, so it is common.
40  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: I own N553530 on the list on: December 04, 2013, 10:14:20 PM
hi kurt, thanks for your help. the pop lead me to the vin matching motor in Ohio! I'm in San Antonio! Needle found, haystack conquered!!!!  One more question, how do I find out who the original owner was? is that even possible?
Skyler

Skyler, post a picture of the numbers stamped on the pad of the engine when you can.  Hopefully the engine that showed up is the original one with the original stamped numbers - and not a restamp.
41  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1968 - Orphans / Re: 1968 Z/28 shortblock 18N447159 on: November 28, 2013, 11:25:47 AM
$6500 Buy it Now seems aweful high - unless you have the car.
42  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: rear axel code chart on: November 28, 2013, 10:02:12 AM
In reading that section again, I noted a small error in Jerry's book, when he says the change  in the differential housing from the .3894860NF to the 3989341NF pn occurred in September'69.   The differential in my mid Sept '69 Z28 has the 341 housing assembly dated '0829', so that change occurred earlier than stated.

We continue to investigate and add data points for the change-over time from when the 860 housing ended and the 341 housing started.  There appears to be at least a small overlap.

See this thread...
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=10375.0
43  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 69 survivor that wasnt. Is it even a real #'s matching Z ? on: November 10, 2013, 10:23:08 AM
I am thinking about a response.  Not sure exactly what all to say at this point.

44  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Research Topics & Reports / Re: Earliest 3969341 and Latest 3894860 axles on: September 23, 2013, 02:06:28 PM
Saw this one yesterday but did not get a picture.  Was in a 70 Camaro at one time so perches had been moved.  Was either in a 70 Nova or 69 Camaro originally from what I could tell.
Casting number  3894860
Casting date      F 24 9
Stamped code   C BM 0807G1

45  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Research Topics & Reports / Re: Original 67-69 Camaro driveshafts - information requested about your car on: September 16, 2013, 06:44:23 PM
Does anybody else want to share data?
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