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241  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: black on tailpan on ss cars on: July 28, 2009, 10:31:33 AM
I guess it is possible there could have been some variance, but ALL of the original ones I remember in the late 60s and early 70s (not the ones 40 years old that have been waxed) were not shiny.  Satin is what I would call them.

Talked to a friend who was a body and paint man for over 40 years and he said they were satin.  He said there were several different blends that were used, but there were not what you would call a regular gloss paint.  They did have to add flattening agents to the paint.  That information was provided to the paint reps from the factory.  Now I guess that could explain why there is some variance.

In my opinion, Jim Mattison would be considered an expert and his opinion was stated earlier in this thread.

Buddy and RamAirDave, thanks for the images of the paint in the trunk area. 
242  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: black on tailpan on ss cars on: July 27, 2009, 10:57:16 AM
So "satin black" it is.  Right?
243  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Strange VIN on orphan 69 L78 (?) on: July 27, 2009, 10:50:53 AM
If you could send me a picture of that area with the VIN stamp I would like to see it too.

bcmiller@creighton.edu
244  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Strange VIN on orphan 69 L78 (?) on: July 26, 2009, 09:22:42 PM
Sometimes you don't get a good stamping because of the roughness of the block surface.
245  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Strange VIN on orphan 69 L78 (?) on: July 26, 2009, 09:21:41 PM
Looks like it could be OK.

Can you make it all out?  Is is something like 19L555192?

What is the date code on the front pad?

This is a 4 bolt main block with the large oil galley holes, right?
246  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1968 - Orphans / Re: 8N400629 Muncie M22 Transmission on: July 26, 2009, 08:19:13 PM
Date code of P8C05c is too early for the C to indicate an M22.

I have been trying to research the small c at the end of the date code on 1968 Muncies.
Have not been able to find much out yet.  Looking for someone that worked at the
plant at that time to ask some questions about the date stamping.
247  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: black on tailpan on ss cars on: July 25, 2009, 08:57:25 PM
Buddy,

Thanks for the pictures.  Looks like I did it almost right.  I stopped at the center of the weather strip channel.  I had the weather strip out.  Looks like I should have painted it more. I will have to fix that.

What ever happened to that car?  Hopefully it is still around.   
248  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: black on tailpan on ss cars on: July 25, 2009, 07:40:55 PM
I just repainted the tail panel on my car satin black (along with the hood - did the hood to have a look different than everybody else).  I am glad I used satin.  I did it that way because all of the SS cars that I remember were satin.

One question though.  Are there any diagrams as to where the black stopped?  I stopped about the center of the bumper (had the bumper off) on the bottom, but was not sure in the trunk area.  I went at about a 45 degree angle toward the trunk opening at the corners and stopped in the weather strip channel. 

249  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Rear axle codes on: July 23, 2009, 01:52:40 PM
Is there a casting date anywhere on the center housing? 
250  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: correct shifter for 1969 on: July 23, 2009, 08:48:45 AM
The 3138 shifter body was used for several OEM applications.

I took a look at that add.  I think I would give them a call and ask the questions.  It does look
like it has the correct style handle (bayonet style handle - not bolt on). 

They might have listed the wrong number in the add (they have 3128 and original was 3138)
or maybe that is just the number they are using now.   Sorry, I don't have more answers.
251  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Rear axle codes on: July 23, 2009, 06:44:19 AM
I think they need to do some more cleaning and use a wire brush.  I don't see that code in
any of the documentation that I have collected. The format of the stamped code should look like

CB G 112 1 E
(CB = Ratio, G = Plant, 112 = 112th day of year, 1 = shift, E = Positraction Source)
252  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: correct shifter for 1969 on: July 22, 2009, 06:50:26 AM
Rich,

Check this link and scroll down to the transmission section.
http://www.camaros.org/trans.shtml#4speed

I believe the OEM shifter body is 3138 and it used a 5325 round handle.

I believe 391 7438 is the number of the current aftermarkt Hurst Competition Plus for a 69 Camaro.
This is the number for use with and without a console.
253  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 396/375 or ? on: July 21, 2009, 05:26:00 PM
What ever happened?  What is the guy's name or did he decide to give you your money back?
254  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1968 Muncies - date code with small "c" at the end ? on: July 20, 2009, 09:11:06 AM
I read through the gang stamp information.  I don't know if that was going on with the date stamps though. 

I did check the M21 in my car and it DOES have that small c or whatever character at the end.  I believe it is a
replacment transmission though.  Date code is after my build date by 5 months and so far I can't find a partial
VIN but it is probably on the top of the transmission.   
255  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1968 Muncies - date code with small "c" at the end ? on: July 18, 2009, 08:41:34 AM
The gang stamp could help explain something.  I don't know.  It sure is not a true full size C because I have a picture of one with a March date code and it uses the full size letter.

It must signify something.  How about small c for "close" ratio - in other words NOT an M20. 

Did anyone try to cross check that?
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