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16  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Service Engines (CE coded) on: December 09, 2014, 06:39:10 PM
Gary, very interesting.  And nice car!

So you have the paperwork for the warranty work?  Did they note the CE number on the paperwork?
17  Site Comments / Discussion / Site Comments/Discussion / Re: CRG Decoder Program on: December 09, 2014, 06:12:06 PM
Daniel is going to take care of updating this ASAP.  
18  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Service Engines (CE coded) on: December 09, 2014, 05:25:24 PM
Tim, yes I have been trying to compile data on CE engines and CT transmissions for a while.  

If you or anyone else would like to share data, it would be AWESOME and greatly appreciated.  We need as many data points as we can get.

What would be best is
1. Picture of the stamped information on the pad.
2. Block casting number
3. Block casting date

Thanks!
19  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Service Engines (CE coded) on: December 09, 2014, 02:05:30 PM
Tim, one thing to remember is that these CE assemblies were for the whole Chevrolet line, including trucks.

You may have seen some of my posts in those threads you mentioned too.  I have been looking at these CE blocks for a while too.

Here is how I would value things relative to what engine is a in car...
1.  Original born with engine with a partial VIN that matches the car.
2.  CE with original paperwork.
3.  Original engine, with original stampings, same engine as what the car had, but different partial VIN.
4.  Period correct CE engine - no paperwork.
5.  Period correct NOM with different original stamped code and partial VIN, but same displacement.
6.  Any other NOM.

But 4, 5 and 6 are pretty close to each other in my mind.  But this is just my opinion.
20  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Service Engines (CE coded) on: December 09, 2014, 01:41:38 PM
Ah, it is a 512 small block, not a big block 427.  I see now.  Disregard my previous post.

I was thinking a 512 block 427.
21  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Service Engines (CE coded) on: December 09, 2014, 01:28:29 PM
Thanks Charlie.  I do keep track of some of the CE blocks.  If you have time, send me some pics of your engine pads with the stamped numbers.

22  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: pad stamp? on: December 08, 2014, 11:17:58 PM
The fonts of MO stamped engines did not remain the same through the 1968 model year. Like DZ stamps in 1969, there were subtle changes.

If you find a car you are interested in buying, get a picture of the engine stamp and post it here if you want to know if it is genuine or not.

23  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Service Engines (CE coded) on: December 08, 2014, 06:45:03 PM
I have several CE big blocks and at least one CE small block.
24  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: is ths vin in the database on: December 06, 2014, 11:12:06 PM
You are missing a digit.  There should be 6 numbers after the N, not 5.
25  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Service Engines (CE coded) on: December 06, 2014, 08:57:35 PM
Tim,

JohnZ would best be able to answer you question on the machining and stamping.  Or maybe bergy.

I would think that the blocks used would just be from the normal flow of cast parts.  Once they were built, they were stamped.  But I could be wrong.

From John's post above...
"CE" short blocks were built based on demand, normally on weekend overtime;

I think it COULD be before the car build date, but that would not be common unless the engine was blown almost immediately.  But it is possible.

Bottom line, if you don't have the docs to prove it was replaced under warranty, it is just another NOM.  

I think still having the warranty paperwork to prove it after all these years would be rare.

26  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Service Engines (CE coded) on: December 06, 2014, 05:57:58 PM
Tim, there are a lot of factors involved.  Why are you curious?

If a car has paperwork on a warranty replacement engine, there is no doubt to it's origin.  If someone just has a CE block in their car, there is no way to prove when it was put there without dealer docs showing that.  

It could have been put there under warranty or 40 years later.  Only docs will prove when it was done.

I am not sure if there was a standard procedure for dealers to follow in regards to whether or not they recorded the CE block number on the paperwork. But they should have recorded what parts were used in the repair.
27  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: NBR ON 69 TRIM TAGS on: December 05, 2014, 06:54:45 PM
Sounds good.  Thanks!
28  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: New to CRG from N Texas on: December 04, 2014, 06:14:06 PM
Welcome to CRG!
29  Site Comments / Discussion / Site Comments/Discussion / Re: CRG Decoder Program on: December 04, 2014, 12:50:38 PM
I will check and find out.
30  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: A sad goodbye on: December 04, 2014, 11:31:06 AM
Maybe you will find another car in the not too distant future. 

Best wishes...
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